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nono1973

23-03-2019, 12:18 PM

Interesting article on Batam i read some time ago. The article and its findings was written somewhere last year 2018 before Ramadan. The article from my perspective contain some level of truth but not entirely, so if you are reading it, do keep an open mind as the scene is from its author's perspective (not mine).

I have "hide" much of the article by portion/s,away from those who are not interested and for those who do, simply click on the Spoiler Button to see more.

Batam Island – Indonesia’s pathetic attempt to create a second Singapore

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This time it was really supposed to work! The turbo-capitalist, anti-Communist and obedient Indonesia got so used to hearing bizarrely inflated compliments from its Western handlers, that it began to believe that it finally could do it – to build at least one dignified, livable urban center complete with sidewalks, public parks, public transportation, sport facilities and decent cultural institutions. At least one showcase city that could shine and attract millions of visitors from abroad, while all its major urban centers like Jakarta, Surabaya or Medan have been, for years and decades, collapsing and increasingly resembling a hell on earth.

A bright star on that polluted and dark sky over Indonesia was supposed to be Batam, a series of isles called Riau Islands Province, near the Strait of Malacca, only some 20 km from Singapore’s South coast.

The dream was big, but unrealistic. Now almost everything is lost.

Even the otherwise pro-establishment English language Indonesian daily The Jakarta Post reported on June 16, 2017, in the most panicky ‘voice’:

“Batam Mayor Muhammad Rudi said he has reported to President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo and Economic Coordination Minister Darmin Nasution about the island’s worsening economy, though it had been designed to serve as the center for Indonesia’s economic growth.

‘I underlined in my report that Batam was in an emergency state. The central government needs to take immediate action to save Batam,’ Rudi said in Batam, Riau Islands, on Thursday.

The Batam Manpower Agency recorded that about 300,000 of the island’s workers have lost their jobs this year.

‘During the recent visit of President Jokowi to Batam, I told him about massive layoffs from the closing of factories. He promised to take immediate action, but the promise has not been fulfilled yet,’ Rudi added.”

Wherever one goes, or more precisely wherever one drives (as elsewhere in Indonesia, there are hardly any sidewalks or public spaces on the islands of Batam), the faces of the people of Batam radiate deep disappointment, sadness and confusion.

They usually do not start talking unless approached. But when they begin, their speech turns quickly melancholic.

Mr. Bely, a driver of the PT. Ananda Aditya company in Batam, expressed brutally what exactly lies behind the official numbers:

“Recently, there were 180 companies that closed down their branches here, and all of them had to lay off their employees. So it was back to ‘sin industry’.

Batam’s most lucrative business used to be gambling and prostitution. But now, they also closed down many gambling dens. Prostitution survived and number of women selling themselves is increasing, but women in this sector are more and more desperate. Many tourists stopped travelling here, because there is no more gambling. Batam is not washed with money, anymore.

These islands are a popular destination for those who are urgently trying to find a job, so many people come here, from all over Indonesia. They don’t know that jobs are not as easy to find as before. The unemployment numbers are rising.

Batamindo is the area where various industries of Batam are located. Among them are electronics and cosmetics. Or they used to be… Lately, anything goes: they say that even the sand for the reclaimed land used for the iconic Marina Sands in Singapore, has been extracted and exported from Batam.”

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Bit of public space in Batam (photo by Andre Vltchek)

On this chain of islands, nothing went as expected.

Batam was supposed to be the first urban area in the turbo-capitalist and corrupt Indonesia: a huge modern city with tree-lined avenue, sidewalks, public transportation and – some even dared to hope – public parks and playgrounds for children.

Across the water, just a 50 minutes sail from ‘downtown’ Batam, one of the richest cities on earth, Singapore, boasts one of the highest quality of life on Earth. There, a futuristic metro (MRT) that covers almost the entire island, and modern double-decker buses take well-groomed and educated passengers to elaborate bookstores and avant-garde art galleries. Top research institutions, public libraries, museums, concert halls and exhibition halls both educate and entertain the citizens. Almost everywhere in Singapore people live in high-quality, subsidized public housing.

Socialism and capitalism are rubbing shoulders in Singapore. Some love it, others hate it, but one thing is undeniable: healthy and educated Singaporeans can stay and enjoy life in their city-state. Or they could go anywhere in the world (visa free), and be certain that they will make it – as artists, academics, researchers, managers, whatever…

Most of the poor, uneducated people from fundamentalist-capitalist Southeast Asian countries can only end up as untrained laborers in the Gulf, or worse.

Indonesian ‘planners’, including one of its former presidents – Habibie (he took over the presidency after Suharto stepped down) – saw Singapore and they salivated. They wanted something similar or even precisely the same.

But Singapore cannot be replicated, as China cannot be, as Russia cannot be. To build these countries, took generations and generations of dedicated and educated, optimistic men and women.

Batam tried to copy the facades and skyline of Singapore. But its foundations were made of clay, lacking ideology, enthusiasm, talent and determination.

At the beginning, as bulldozers and cranes went to work, everything looked vaguely familiar, at least from a great distance. Then, nothing looked recognizable, anymore. Entire structures began collapsing, before they were completed.

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White elephants of Batam (photo by Andre Vltchek)

This time, I visited Batam during the Muslim fasting months of Ramadan. In the evening, during the breaking of the fast, three stunningly beautiful and elegant women were sitting at a nearby table. They were modestly dressed, and one of them was holding a baby in her lap. Their heads were covered.

But my friend, Ms. Monica, working at a front desk of an international hotel, destroyed all my illusions:

“Have you seen them? These are upper class escort women. I am ashamed with Batam’s reputation as prostitution island, but what can we do – it is true. Prostitution is everywhere here. Guests of this hotel often bring their women with them. Men using these services are not only Singaporeans, many are also Indonesians. Even girls who look like pious Muslims are selling themselves.

The sex workers are not only those who are working in the raunchy night clubs or bars, but there are also many students from the local universities. We called them ‘ayam kampus’ (‘campus chicken’). I think they call them the same in Java.”

I asked Monica about Batam’s dream of becoming the second Singapore. She replied, gloomily:

“It is a very big contrast between Singapore and Batam. Yes, the Indonesian government used to promise that Batam would be like another Singapore. I don’t know what went wrong. Now Batam Authority (Otorita Batam) is under the central government again. Not much is improving.”

She added another cliché, after a while; one that many have been told to repeat, all over Indonesia:

“But Singapore only has 5 million people to take care of while Indonesia has more than 200 million. It is much easier for Singapore to thrive, isn’t it?”

I mentioned China, with at least four times more people than those living in Indonesia; a country that has left most of the Southeast Asian nations far behind.

Monica remained silent. She has never visited China or any other part of the world. She only knew Indonesia and Singapore.

To others, its may just be an article, to me its how the Batam "girl market" is like on its most current stage. There are also info in the article i am compiling too,hence part 2 of article is on the next post below....

nono1973

23-03-2019, 12:19 PM

....continue from previous post above....

Mr. Masrun Sinaga, a waiter at the Golden Fish Restaurant, sees with his own eyes how Batam is losing jobs at an increasing speed:

“I can confirm that many companies closed down their factories here. Some moved to Thailand, others to Malaysia. One of the biggest of them – McDermott – dramatically reduced its operation here, recently. I know, because they had their farewell party at this restaurant. Those who were at the party were mostly their foreign employees and managers. Poor fired employees were not invited.”

300 thousand jobs lost in just one year, on an island with roughly 1.2 million inhabitants!

Like the rest of Indonesia, Batam does not produce almost anything ‘indigenous’ – it is hosting maquiladoras, mainly from the West, Japan and South Korea. Practically, still relatively cheap and unskilled labor is assembling what was developed somewhere else. When minimum wages move higher (as happened in Batam), most of the companies migrate somewhere else. As there is hardly any Indonesian industry to speak of, such places as Batam go down, into free fall.

Mediocre technocrats like Habibie (‘educated’ in Germany), were heavily indoctrinated by the pro-market dogmas. Their theories failed, reducing Indonesia to a country which keeps plundering its own resources on behalf of mostly Western multi-national companies, while keeping its citizens in servitude to big business and modern-day feudal lords.

The results are predictable: environment is ruined, while the cities and villages are precisely like in the feudal days, now only with stereotypically assembled malls and a few international hotels; with dangerous and cheap scooters (wishfully called motorbikes) and, because of the notorious lack of public transportation, legendary traffic jams – something that should be absolutely ridiculous in a desperately poor country like Indonesia.

At the Sekupang neighborhood, I saw two middle-aged women, sitting aimlessly near a polluted waterway. One came from Jember, East Java, while the other from Palembang in Sumatra. They stared at me, a foreigner, in surprise. I asked them about ‘the second Singapore’. They replied, still amused:

“Yes, the previous government promised Batam to become a second Singapore. It has not been realized yet, as you can see.

Life is difficult. I don’t even think about going back home to Palembang for Idul Fitri holidays. I cannot afford it – it is so expensive to go there. Life is so expensive.”

These women are not losing hope. Perhaps one day things could change, improve:

But it depends on the Mayor. We still hope that Batam will be more like Singapore in the future.”

A few steps from where they sat, a child suffering from malnutrition, is absent-mindedly munching on blue paint he peels from a window frame.

There are slums all over Batam, there is misery, like everywhere in Indonesia. It does not appear richer or poorer than the other cities of the archipelago. Things look familiar: no concert halls and no research centers. Only five bus lines that are operating tiny and primitive buses – that is all that is disguising itself as ‘public transportation’, in an urban area of more than 1 million inhabitants.

There is hardly anything to look forward to, here. Only, perhaps, a trip to Singapore, or marriage to a foreigner, an escape.

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Chilli bar in Batam (photo by Andre Vltchek)

Ramadan. During the fasting month, the whorehouses of Batam are open only from 9 pm to 1 am, but they are open. Speedboats from Singapore are still packed, shuttling concerned-looking men, sugar daddies, husbands in need of second wives.

I spoke to Ms. Mira, who works at a small store (warung), which doubles as a bar in Batam’s neighborhood called Nagoya. She laughs, bitterly, whenever I ask some uncomfortable questions:

“I don’t know why I came to Batam, but I did; from Lombok. It was not easy to get a job here. I finally worked at Chilli Bar here at Nagoya Town, at that corner, look… not far from here. I used to make grand total of Rp. 3 million (about US$ 240). And that already included my salary, tips and drink commissions. I heard that in better bars, women could earn up to Rp. 5 million, with the same structures of payment.”

Finally, I went to Chilli Bar, and it was clearly a brothel, a den, with girls dancing in their skimpy clothes, with a transvestite mixing cocktails; a place where there are no secrets, where everything is raw and open. A middle-aged sex-worker, Ms. Jemmy, is from Palembang. She is bitter and tough, and at the same time as melancholic as a character from Chekhov’s play:

“I have a 17-year-old kid now. I was pregnant when I was very young, her age, at 17.

First, I went to work in Singapore, then I moved to Batam to work in a casino. At that time, gambling was thriving here. But then it became restricted, only five places that could have gambling on their premises. So, I would work for 2 weeks and then not work for 2 months. I have a kid to raise, so I moved; I began working in this bar in order to make ends meet.

I would do anything to survive. If customers want to be with me for a night, that’s OK. At one point, I became a ‘second wife’ of a Singaporean businessman who had been travelling regularly to Batam. But then, things did not work out as planned. We broke up.

I don’t have plans to go back home to Palembang for Idul Fitri holidays. I have to earn more money first, to be able to do that. Anyway, I am not looking forward to the holidays. It is already bad during Ramadan – the bars can only operate from 9pm to 1am. Such a short time. Yes, not enough time to get many customers. That means less earning for us. Usually we started to open at 3pm and could stay open until early hours, especially on the weekends.”

Tens of thousands of Indonesian women are drawn to Batam, as hundreds of thousands are drawn to Bali. The legend goes: anything could happen here. Life could change. Prince Charming may appear from nowhere.

But miracles hardly happen. Charming princes that travel here, are usually just some tough Singaporean businessmen, who know precisely what they want. Most of them, once they get it, rush back to their bubble, to a highly conservative lifestyle.

But Indonesian reality is too dreadful and the dream of easy escape too bright. Desperate women keep coming.

Can the economy of an entire island with more than 1 million inhabitants be sustained by such ‘dreams’? It appears that it has to be. Factories are closing down. Real, ‘decent’ tourism has nothing to offer to foreigners who are drawn as if by some powerful magnet to the neighboring lights of Singapore.

Indonesian Batam cannot compete. It has only those few second-rate malls, mainly stuffed with counterfeit merchandise. There is nothing unique here, nothing impressive, nothing truly beautiful.

What was the former vice-President B. J. Habibie really thinking? What did he want to achieve here in Batam, in those ‘heady’ (but in truth, totally wasted) post-Suharto years?

What is here, really; what is here now, in Batam? A few pits from terrible mining ventures, few badly paved roads and dirty polluted waterways. One huge sunken ship. A few slums. A few ‘white elephants’ – unfinished tall buildings, hotels and condominiums.

Fundamentalist capitalism is badly failing in Indonesia, as it is failing all over Southeast Asia. (please refer to my latest book: “Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism”). It is good to know that it is. The sad thing, however, is that local people, indoctrinated and programmed, are being forced to pay a terrible price. They are not protesting, not rioting; they are mostly suffering silently.

Entire generations are wasted. Almost no one in Indonesia is still aware how bad things have really got. It is ‘top secret’, hidden by the corporate media, hidden by the indoctrinated academia.

Those few who are aware are blaming the circumstances, and the corrupt individuals. Almost no one is blaming the regime – the entire system – injected by the West.

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Inundated village in Batam (photo by Andre Vltchek)

One bizarre relic on the islands of Batam, is a former refugee camp for Vietnamese ‘boat’ people. It is located on the island of Galang. This gloomy compound has been turned into a badly maintained, but still fascinating museum. Or you can call it an anti-Communist propaganda monument. Barracks are on display, as well as now rotting boats that used to bring opponents of the Vietnamese Communist Revolution to this part of the world.

Now, Vietnam which had been reduced to a rubble by the imperialist assault from the West, is a Communist (with mixed economy) middle-income country. It has bypassed Indonesia in many fields. Its population is educated and enthusiastic, and its cities are blooming.

I asked a construction worker from East Java, who was working on the premises of the museum, what he knew about the Vietnam War. He was curt:

“This island was for the refugees from Vietnam. But I don’t know about the history. Nobody told me anything. I just started this work on repairing the boats, because they are already falling apart.”

Mr. Adi, now a resident of Batam but originally from Pontianak, knew much more:

“Refugees in Galang Island were the results of the civil wars in Vietnam, and the intervention from the West, just like what is happening now in Syria.”

On the way back to the main, northern part of Batam, I noticed a fence. I stopped the car and went to look. Behind the wires, there was a lake. At the edge of it, an eerie site – a sunken village. Only roofs of houses and a mosque were now visible. All the rest was under the water. “What is this?” I asked. A dam. A badly planned artificial lake. Another disaster, another failed ’project’.

One hour later I photographed a slum, but it was biasa, a ‘usual stuff’, just like anywhere else in Indonesia.

Next day I landed in Singapore, and it was biasa again, but only from the point of view of one of the richest places on Earth: tickets for the concert of my favorite Argentinian concert pianist Martha Argerich, were hopelessly sold out. But I managed to attend a great (free) concert at a magnificent Esplanade concert hall. Changi Airport, the best in the world, just opened its Terminal 4, which was designed as a cozy ancient Chinese town in Southeast Asia. The Singapore metro extended enormously, since my last visit. Biasa, you know, usual stuff… for Singapore.

There is no place on Earth where the contrasts between the super-rich and poor worlds would be so close to each other.

Only 20 kilometers between a bizarre crypto socialist and monstrously rich Singapore and the colonized, robbed, poor and brainwashed super-capitalist Indonesia.

Two different planets. Two different realities.

This contrast never appears in the European or North American mainstream press. The West loves Indonesia as it is now: plundered, defeated, indoctrinated.

No matter what the Western demagogues say, Southeast Asia cannot be governed by capitalist doctrines. When it is, its people are forced to live in unimaginable misery.

But the truth is: there cannot be a “second Singapore” or “second Shenzhen”, not even “second Danang”, anywhere in an Asian country which puts greed and profit above well-being of its people and the social structures.

About the writer and photograper :

Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. Three of his latest books are Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism, a revolutionary novel “Aurora” and a bestselling work of political non-fiction: “Exposing Lies Of The Empire”. View his other books here. Watch Rwanda Gambit, his groundbreaking documentary about Rwanda and DRCongo and his film/dialogue with Noam Chomsky “On Western Terrorism”. Vltchek presently resides in East Asia and the Middle East, and continues to work around the world. He can be reached through his website and his Twitter.

Rossie Indira is a writer and publisher at PT. Badak Merah Semesta, an independent and progressive publishing house. Her latest book “Bude Ocie di Maroko” is about her travel to Morocco. With Andre Vltchek, Rossie co-wrote “Exile”, conversations with Pramoedya Ananta Toer (This book had been translated to Korean, Spanish Indonesian). Rossie was translator and production manager of a documentary “Terlena – Breaking of a Nation”about genocide in Indonesia in 1965. Rossie can be contacted through her website or twitter.

Cover photo: Two women in Batam – they do not think it looks like Singapore (photo by Andre Vltchek)

One of the reason why i am not linking to this article's site and have it copied and paste in this forum thread instead is becos the article contains many key Batam information which i have BOLD them out. I just wish to keep it in my Batam Info Vault for future reference.

This article's info is less than 2 years old as of this post,hence the info validity should not be too far for now and the next few years (over here,i am talking about info that are important to me and not on the author's "point of view" info). In 3rd world countries, many things dont change overnight or in very fast pace,hehehe...

From my very own perspective, Singapore is more of a hell and Batam is like heaven. I wrote about that about 5 years ago in my Batam trip summaries, and i still agree to what i said yesteryear today,hehehe...

There is one last final problem i will have to solve in future when i am in Batam,that is...their medical amenities. That ,i shall talk about it in the near future. ;)

nono1973

23-03-2019, 12:34 PM

Bro, sorry to bother you. My first time to Batam but got to know a few FL in Batam through social media. Engaging their LT services. Few promises 6 shots for 1juta. Is there anything i have to be aware of? Sorry but any kind advise is appreciated. :):)

Thank you,
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Hi bro, good to see you PM me,becos you are someone who "shared" before,hence i replied your PM (i have tons of people PM-ing me but i choose to ignore most becos many were simply leeches). In my shoe, replying repeated questions daily whereby the 90% of the answers can be found in the thread can be a very tedious task. And most time, my reply were pretty much detailed and i took time to think before i can pen them down to prevent any misunderstanding.

Ok, for those who promise anything to you on social media, take it with a pinch of salt. From experience of my own, only girls who knew me well enough and customers who are regulars to them will give more than 3 shots (as in proper shots,not those sex w/o foreplay type,which is quite common). Might need to tip them more at times too,tho not 100% necessary.

For bros i knew who needs more than 3 shots in Batam i would usually ask them to get a booking girl and then in between go to massage shops. For myself, i would ask massage girls to come to my room to massage me and my booking girl, allowing them some time to mingle around and pay for "special service" for both myself and my booking girl. Of course, these will require proper coordination between the 3 girls (booking girl + 2 massage girls in my room at the same time) and dont always work out (as i cant speak bahasa).

Nonetheless, Utama area of massage + special isnt expensive or even King massage at Formosa hotel (require to bargain tho). I havent count in other MPs nearby formosa hotel tho.

Or make it simpler, my friends get 2 less expensive average booking girls (hopefully from same joint or just let the 1st girl you book choose which girl to book). That would almost guarantee 6 shots if not more. Cost around 800k to 1 juta per girl. ;)

(you arent the only one here who could do 6 shots a day, well...if you ever read my summaries before,hehehe..)

Remember to bargain down as booking 2 girls gives you better bargaining power as well.

* i replied to you on the thread censoring off your nick due to words limitation on the PM box.

In Batam , there are lots of activities to do other than just staying inside hotel to bonk whole day/night,hehehe...some will bonk in theaters/KTVs, some in hotel room balcony, some in the swimming pool, some inside sauna/steam room etc etc.

Just sharing, and hope it gives you some idea.

Cheers!

miumiu6464

23-03-2019, 02:16 PM

There is one last final problem i will have to solve in future when i am in Batam,that is...their medical amenities. That ,i shall talk about it in the near future. ;)

Really like to read your input in this area, as although I'm staying in Indonesia now, having to travel back to Sg every few months is a chore that I can do without. We just applied for their national medical insurance card (what they call BJPS card) for her. While I'm also eligible for it, it's pointless as they don't have the medicine I'm taking now. In fact, most of the larger pharmacy like K24 and Kymia also don't have. Haizzz.

Myhorizon

23-03-2019, 02:38 PM

If only Batam has same quality as Jakarta :D

https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27173/27173856777610557eff18b5d52fd7465aa5c270.gif (https://www.uploadhouse.com/viewfile.php?id=27173856&showlnk=0)

decaptico

23-03-2019, 03:21 PM

OnlyLiveOnce

23-03-2019, 03:49 PM

....continue from previous post above

From my very own perspective, Singapore is more of a hell and Batam is like heaven.

If Singapore is such a hell to you, maybe you should seriously consider abandoning the island all your wealth and live the rest of your life in Batam or elsewhere. I am sure many more talented foreigners disadvantaged by their place of birth will readily swop position with you.

Happyman007

23-03-2019, 04:00 PM

If Singapore is such a hell to you, maybe you should seriously consider abandoning the island all your wealth and live the rest of your life in Batam or elsewhere. I am sure many more talented foreigners disadvantaged by their place of birth will readily swop position with you.

If you follow his post, you'll notice that he's looking into buying condo and planning to move over once he is comfortable.....he plan and move step by step according to his financial planning and I'm sure he will be able to make it and let those "Talented Foreigners" swop our position and rent our HDB to pay for our overseas living expenses while we enjoy our "heaven" in foreign land :p

milfmilf

23-03-2019, 05:19 PM

Hmm...20% off looks attractive but i guess i might end up paying around S$39.00 or a little more. Very likely they are going to play with those "tax inclusive/non-tax inclusive" game tho.

https://pixator.org/images/2018/09/21/a3453082.jpg

ticket price ard $30+ so 20% is $6+ discount
plus $14 terminal fee...
ok lah... use for cab fare or SIM card :D

milfmilf

23-03-2019, 05:22 PM

is 1-3 april a good time to go :D

nono1973

23-03-2019, 05:56 PM

Really like to read your input in this area, as although I'm staying in Indonesia now, having to travel back to Sg every few months is a chore that I can do without.

I am actually not so sure about that yet, which is why i pick Batam as my "final destination". So that in the event of an emergency, i could still utilize the short distance to reach Singapore for their medication facilities. 5 years ago, i have a choice, Thailand Bangkok or Indonesia Batam (Thailand actually has good medical facilities).

In the end, i picked Batam.

If you follow his post, you'll notice that he's looking into buying condo and planning to move over once he is comfortable.....he plan and move step by step according to his financial planning and I'm sure he will be able to make it and let those "Talented Foreigners" swop our position...

Foreword, i said in my perspective, Singapore is hell for me (past 5 years and present). I dont hate the country where my parents give birth to me, just that my life is hell in it. Other bro's life in my home country could be heaven,that i arent sure but i only speak for myself and i only represent myself, which is why the word "my perspective" comes in.

...and rent our HDB to pay for our overseas living expenses while we enjoy our "heaven" in foreign land :p

Hehehe...was planning to buy a few units in Batam but i am starting from scratch when it comes to understanding the property market in Indonesia Batam,hence i am learning as i go along. Its a learning process and i am recording it down.

Why buy few units? Hehehe...i could perhaps rent some of them to like-minded bros in Batam who might feel Singapore is like hell (again,in their own perspective/s) when it comes to retirement. They could rent their HDB flat out as retirement fund and then comes over to Batam to rent a studio unit from me as a price of about Singapore half-a-bedroom price (probably S$250 to S$300?) At least those like-minded bros can come "play chess" together at the Batam apartment void deck (together with their babes),hehehe..isnt that something fun? :p

Retirement is not about doing nothing ,stay at home shake leg (i read that from somewhere by SBF boss, Sam Leong),its more about doing something i enjoyed doing...and hopefully can earn some money out of it to help with my daily expenses etc.

Most importantly, i have enjoyed myself thoroughly in Batam.

Moving a small step a time, i believe as long as i do not give up, i will be able to succeed in my own gameplay eventually,hehehe....my growth in Batam is recorded in the forum itself which i no longer have rights to amend or delete anymore,hence it becomes a piece of history over time (so long SBF dont close down,hehehe..anyway i have back ups. :D).

Its my life afterall...

Superpork

23-03-2019, 10:59 PM

Bro Nono, your posts on this thread is always information and enlightening.
Given the article you shared, wouldn't the poor economical outlook affect the property prices (and completion)?
I had thought of retiring in Batam too. But the thought of the property purchase restriction for foreigners had put a damper on the idea...

Happyman007

23-03-2019, 11:23 PM

Why buy few units? Hehehe...i could perhaps rent some of them to like-minded bros in Batam who might feel Singapore is like hell (again,in their own perspective/s) when it comes to retirement. They could rent their HDB flat out as retirement fund and then comes over to Batam to rent a studio unit from me as a price of about Singapore half-a-bedroom price (probably S$250 to S$300?) At least those like-minded bros can come "play chess" together at the Batam apartment void deck (together with their babes),hehehe..isnt that something fun? :p

I use to own a condo unit in jkt but is using a very close friend name to buy, stay a few years and rented it out for 2-3 years and finally sold it and move the money to Thailand to buy condo house there.........be careful when buying property in Indonesia, my last known info is foreigner still not allow to own condo except few very high end type in jkt which is open to foreigner.

nono1973

23-03-2019, 11:53 PM

A new movie is coming at around April 2019 in most batam's theater,hehehe...thats Shazam, the DC version of Captain Marvel.

https://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27173/27173583c856f254520e6ce87498a4293c68d6df.jpg

Oh well, we have the girl version of Captain Marvel from Marvel on March 2019, now DC has their own version "Captain Marvel" called Shazam. In case nobody knows, Shazam, the super hero in the movie started off in the name Captain Marvel in the DC comics during 1940s. He's known to be as powerful as the most powerful super hero in DC, Superman...well,just less popular...hehehe...

Take a look at its trailer :

https://youtu.be/uilJZZ_iVwY

...and the movie's storyline goes...

In Billy Batson’s (Angel) case, by shouting out one word—SHAZAM!—this streetwise 14-year-old foster kid can turn into the adult Super Hero Shazam (Levi), courtesy of an ancient wizard. Still a kid at heart—inside a ripped, godlike body—Shazam revels in this adult version of himself by doing what any teen would do with superpowers: have fun with them! Can he fly? Does he have X-ray vision? Can he shoot lightning out of his hands? Can he skip his social studies test? Shazam sets out to test the limits of his abilities with the joyful recklessness of a child. But he’ll need to master these powers quickly in order to fight the deadly forces of evil controlled by Dr. Thaddeus Sivana (Strong).

This guy is like Deadpool,hehehe...so if one is watching this movie, be expecting it to be like more of a comedy. The golden word in this movie would be...

https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27173/27173606b1d149b8e12b104d5994842302d6eb1c.gif

Am more than likely to watch this movie here at this Park Avenue Mall's CGV Blitz theater during April 2019...hehehe...

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18467751&highlight=theater#post18467751

And i am not going to ask anyone NOT to eat and drink in the theater this time. Well, if you are watching this movie in the CGV Blitz theater at Park Avenue Mall, PLEASE...eat and drink in the theater...not cheap to buy snacks from there to consume inside the theater but well...it would be a real waste NOT to eat and drink in it with these kind of "seats",hehehe...

https://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27173/271736617c778ed791ed8c9d287d56d0df5f36d8.jpg

...or this type of seating.

https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27173/2717365684b38f160f0cd114519a8d13e6b8542f.gif

One last thing, if you are bringing your girl...dont forget to bring "helmet",hehehe... :D

nono1973

23-03-2019, 11:59 PM

Nagoya Citywalk fun world

no longer has unlimited rides option so it can be quite expensive depending on how many kids you have and how many rides you allow them to go on. There is really very little people during weekdays which is actually a disadvantage to you because your kids will finish the rides very fast. There is no queue.

1 or 2 hours there and it is already costing u as much as going to a theme park in Singapore.

The only option now u can do is to top u the card and pay for each ride using the card. You can use the card for all the adults and kids in your family.

This something that i havent thought of,hehehe...i only bring girls there, they finish the ride fast but at least i drew a budget of 200k to 300k rupiah to make those girls happy,hehehe....can also follow lunch/dinner at the KTV upstairs (3rd floor) at Alegro.

Nagoya Hills Hotel

It is very near the shopping center. U just walk across the road from the back of the hotel. It is good for old people who cannot walk too far. The hotel is quite good. They have Smart TV too. Only thing is you have to ask for rooms facing the shopping mall as the rooms facing the road is really noisy. Motor bikes at 2-3 am screaming at you. Light sleepers will have trouble sleeping.

This kind of thing, if you didnt mention it here,i am sure almost everyone reading this thread wouldnt have known.

Wey Wey seafood

There is now another seafood rest right beside it and the staff will fight for your business so u can ask for a discount like I did :)

There used to be just Wey Wey seafood restaurant and Harbour Bay seafood restaurant in the past. Recently seems like many new restaurants start popping out in that area. These places were the only few businesses still active after 8pm.

I forget to mention to you about J8 food court, which is also around that area too. Whereby they have more variety of food to choose from.

I went to Kings Massage as recommended by brother Nono

I mainly point to you the right direction for a quickie,hehehe...not a recommendation. ;)

Friendly reception and most girls are SYT. You can chose from photo.

I chose a girl that looks good in photo and in real person too. Their photo does not look like its photoshop so you should get what you chose.

Rooms and shower facilities are rundown.

I chose HJ and I did not bother to bargain so I paid the high side.

She did take out her top and I need auto roam. Nice boobs.

Unfortunately it was quite SOP and she did not put in much effort to arouse me so it was only average experience for me.

Next time, try to bargain down...for better service. You might find it strange why i said that, and how come lowering the pricing yet still gets better service. An illustration scene below :

1. 1st quote, 500k rupiah by massage girl

2. Bargain to 100k rupiah

3. Girl says cannot,best is 300k rupiah

4. I said , no...my best is 150k rupiah.

5. Girl say , "300k rupiah include "this" and "that"..."

6. I said , "ok, i pay 200k rupiah, include "this" and "that"...can? "

7. Girl say, "No cannot, 300k rupiah is market price for "this" and "that"..."

8. I said, "my friend tells me massage in Batam is 100k hj and 200 fj..."

(100k hj and 200k fj is 5 years ago pricing,hehehe...)

9. Girl say , "ok, last price...250k includes "this" and "that"..."

10. i said, "ok then,i can pay 250k rupiah including "this" and "that" but you must full strip,ok? If ok, then deal...otherwise no deal...ok? "

(beside "full strip" can also ask for other add-on)

95% chance the massage girl will be ok with it. And do you see now, how the "better service" comes about? Tho i may have agreed on the final price of 250k rupiah, but if the whole session goes well and beyond my expectation, i would willingly gives her an extra 50k rupiah which at the end of it usually makes her VERY happy (becos she might feel she won the bargaining) and that helps her to remember me better me the next time i RTM again. ;)

I was very tempted to try the nagoya hills hotel in room massage at only 22k but I did not get the chance. I imagine you probably could get hanky panky too.

This would be a challenge. No many would risk 220k rupiah to risk if a place would have hanky panky tho, as the chance to you may be 100% if you are lucky and may be 0% for others (which is why i name you King massage instead of other MPs). Which is why when i visit known-to-be clean MPs which has hanky panky, others who visit them may not get it.

Luck plays an inportant role in such "clean" places too. ;)

nono1973

24-03-2019, 12:46 AM

Still remember those were the days and those days that i bring u chiong in batam and good to see now that you are on your own with all the lastest information. unlike me too not updated liao.

Yes, of course i remembered. My 1st girl, from my 1st booking joint,Gold Bird...only visit one booking joint that time, choose my girl with my eye closed and due to beginner's luck, got a fantastic girl at 600k rupiah with superb good service and makes me cum 6 times in one single day and night of booking,hehehe... :D

My 1st hotel, Formosa...my 1st MP, King's massage, my 1st KTV in Batam Alishan...my 1st PRC girl in Batam (in different trips), my 1st Vietnamese girl (in different trips) in Batam, my 1st Indo Chinese girl (in different trips) etc etc...everything all under that one big roof,hehehe...

From starting Batam as a complete noob, to someone who knows my way around, to being capable to source for my own definition on the BEST OF THE BEST in Batam...i learned one thing, step 1 and step 2 is VERY IMPORTANT for beginners. And you are like my Batam's step 1.

Becos of your step 1, there is a basic traveling guide,follow by summaries...the food info and then the Batam info vault compiling blah blah blah...until what i am today. Its all in the records on my signature link below today, like a history book on myself in Batam which could constantly be flipped back so that online readers can all become witness/es. ;)

I bet you wouldnt have thought in the past that the "seed" you "sow" on the ground unintentionally 5 years ago would have grown into a tree today,hehehe...whereby the written basic Batam Traveling Guide on my signature would be read by 100s of thousand and helped countless noobs who would wish to travel to batam for the 1st time. :p

* i used to have a "click counter" 5 years ago to keep a record on how many people clicked onto my basic guides. I took it off after the counters number hit more than 350000 clicks last year. And this is just solely the basic batam traveling guide alone. :D

Thinking and reading back does bring back lots of good memories....something i would love to remember by as i age. ;)

Splitter100

24-03-2019, 08:25 AM

Naka_Timo

24-03-2019, 10:45 AM

Yes, of course i remembered. My 1st girl, from my 1st booking joint,Gold Bird...only visit one booking joint that time, choose my girl with my eye closed and due to beginner's luck, got a fantastic girl at 600k rupiah with superb good service and makes me cum 6 times in one single day and night of booking,hehehe... :D

My 1st hotel, Formosa...my 1st MP, King's massage, my 1st KTV in Batam Alishan...my 1st PRC girl in Batam (in different trips), my 1st Vietnamese girl (in different trips) in Batam, my 1st Indo Chinese girl (in different trips) etc etc...everything all under that one big roof,hehehe...

Thinking and reading back does bring back lots of good memories....something i would love to remember by as i age. ;)

Ya, you lost your 1st batam virgin there. Look back, those were the days and many years have passed...

Black Page

24-03-2019, 08:14 PM

Hello people

Went over on Thur for a day trip

Change money oppo Formosa - rate not so good
Eat BKT near Formosa - not as cheap as I thought + cannot
Went to Octopus - faciltilities non-existence + massage 5/10 + mechanical HJ + cannot auto roam + neber shoot also
Walk ard Nagoya mall
Take ferry back

That’s all for a day trip - damage $120
You have HUGE space for improvement in front of you. Maybe read, try to learn from others' and your mistakes, try again.

1) In front of Formosa there are THREE money changers. Not the same. However I go on Jalan Bonjol: along the strip from Nagoya Hill Mosque and kampung bule there are maybe 10 money changers. I ask, take note of the rates, go back with money to the best one.

2) I understood that BKT near Formosa is for hard-core chinese BKT lovers. I prefer the one at Nagoya Hill, which as Nono says it must be the worst for quality and variety of the meat, but at least it is fully cooked (overcooked is better than undercooked for me) and is served to tables where I can see all the girls walking by.

3) Octopus offers the "package", which is full service, but it is expensive. I don't know how you could not even get an HJ. Maybe you did not want to pay and opted for the basic service.

4) Take a ferry for a single-day tour and spend it around Nagoya Mall cannot be very exciting. I understand it.

BFOMF5

24-03-2019, 10:29 PM

There used to be just Wey Wey seafood restaurant and Harbour Bay seafood restaurant in the past. Recently seems like many new restaurants start popping out in that area. These places were the only few businesses still active after 8pm.

I forget to mention to you about J8 food court, which is also around that area too. Whereby they have more variety of food to choose from.

If you referring to the J8 opposite DCM...
It's not near...
https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27178/2717817892c6bc709ae396556644c6c54e661744.png

BTW...
if I'm craving for sate buaya and
lazy to go A2 (at Panuin).... I'll go J8.(ops DCM):p

Also 3 months ago, due to the competition fr utama 98..
they hv added a central stage. And hv lucky draw night more often. Last New year eve the big prize was a car.:)

BFOMF5

24-03-2019, 11:04 PM

Kaboon

25-03-2019, 12:50 AM

Hey guys, is Harmoni very near Allium? $70+ quite pricey..otherwise i might just book Barelang hotel just to be near u guys. :D

Those guys big budget to blow..if u stay allium or barelang, i'll join ur side...so 2 the grps can merge to one during dinner time. :)

both hotel walking distance.

miumiu6464

25-03-2019, 01:06 AM

3) Octopus offers the "package", which is full service, but it is expensive. I don't know how you could not even get an HJ. Maybe you did not want to pay and opted for the basic service.

Actually, if i remember correctly, hj is included in the basic non-fj package, no extra payment required except for tips.

HeatguyAlvin

25-03-2019, 01:54 AM

Actually, if i remember correctly, hj is included in the basic non-fj package, no extra payment required except for tips.

that is correct hj is inclusive in the non fj package. but no roaming tho. roaming comes with convincing and tips.

funny that i shared a link to an indo forum that has ratings for all the mps and takeaway places but kenna blocked. cannot read bahasa so i also blur :confused:

HeatguyAlvin

25-03-2019, 02:05 AM

iicycold

25-03-2019, 01:37 PM

I hope by somewhere April, they would have tickets that expires on June as i have some aunties and uncle dropping into Batam for a 2D1N trip,hehehe...:D

https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27158/27158046dff45497bec6606adcc0512e354dc6fd.jpg

My friends did buy some orange Horizon tickets and it appears those expiring on March and April were sold out,hehehe...i guess tickets moving exceptionally fast is becos of the school holidays.Well, its Horizonfast ferry tickets afterall...hehehe... :p

ya,ya,ya...i saw mani ppl in horizon counter using tis ticket 2 take boarding pass last 2 weeks ago wen i go tere lei....lol....quite good deal lei. :p

like tat i tink they gng 2 beat majestic & sindo if they no price dwn aso....lol

som more last trip saw one ah pek drive tis kind scooter all the way from harbor front check-in waiting conpound into inside horizon ferry lei...

http://poop.pictures/images/2019/03/25/l-golden-technologies-buzzaround-xl-3-wheel-scooter-7560-5015.jpg

...dn't knw legal or no legal 2 drive tis thg in btm roadside or no? Nwday these ah pek sibei hiong sia... can see tis ah pek who driving the scooter is no belong 2 those cannot use leg walk type...lol,means tis ah pek not a handicap hor.

This is what worries me when i wish to put my money there. After seeing so many half-built EMPTY buildings in Batam, i also scare the developer will take my money and run,hehehe...hence while looking at those properties, i also check out on those developers too.

Reference for myself on Cipta Sky Park and Citra Plaza :

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18467742&postcount=13172

I am also looking at Bayerina, which i have some more info to pen down on later date/time. Its ready to move in,hehehe...but they dont come cheap.

u nwday quite eng ya...looking 2 buy properly in btm...wan 2 rent yr apartment 2 me nxt time, izzit? :D

mus tel u b careful , mai tio burn hor...btm properly actual no much cheaper compare 2 sinkpore wen u counting by $ per square foot....lol...sm more after u live 4 a while inside liao then sell 100% lugi money de.... :p

iicycold

25-03-2019, 02:04 PM

Hi bro, good to see you PM me,becos you are someone who "shared" before,hence i replied your PM (i have tons of people PM-ing me but i choose to ignore most becos many were simply leeches). In my shoe, replying repeated questions daily whereby the 90% of the answers can be found in the thread can be a very tedious task. And most time, my reply were pretty much detailed and i took time to think before i can pen them down to prevent any misunderstanding.

sharing is 2 way, u share,i share...everybody benefit.

u no share, i share...no fair rite? :p

jus my very personal point of view. :D

...as although I'm staying in Indonesia now, having to travel back to Sg every few months is a chore that I can do without. We just applied for their national medical insurance card (what they call BJPS card) for her. While I'm also eligible for it, it's pointless as they don't have the medicine I'm taking now. In fact, most of the larger pharmacy like K24 and Kymia also don't have. Haizzz.

brother,have u try their local hospital? i meanin is u no buy frm apotek but buy direct frm hospital yr med, see weather they've or no? no tel me hospital themselves aso no have? :confused:

if like tat then jia lat liao....hw cum no move 2 btm? nearer sg ma... :(

nwday btm studio condom no expensive, can jus buy 1 & stay inside tere lor...lol..then like tat can make traveling easier ma.

2) I understood that BKT near Formosa is for hard-core chinese BKT lovers. I prefer the one at Nagoya Hill, which as Nono says it must be the worst for quality and variety of the meat, but at least it is fully cooked (overcooked is better than undercooked for me) and is served to tables where I can see all the girls walking by.

see, see...every one aso liking different kind meat, yr meat can becum other ppl poison, jus like yr poison could possible end up as other ppl's meat 2....lol

Those guys big budget to blow..if u stay allium or barelang, i'll join ur side...so 2 the grps can merge to one during dinner time. :)

u all knw wich hotel 2 find me rite? shhh...no tel here in public internet hor...cos here got mani ppl wan 2 try kill me....lol :D

Gem08

25-03-2019, 05:50 PM

Finally, my first batam trip, solo. With some advises from Bro Nono1973, managed to have a good solo trip. Thanks again Bro Nono1973. A brief FR here.
Arrived HB and glad there was WIFI. Connected and booked a Grab from a nearby Hotel, however need to walk further out. Grab doesnt come into HB. Stayed at The K Hotel 270k booked from agoda. Not bad, may consider to stay again.
Met a waitress for lunch nearby Hotel and scored afterwards. This trip only spent time with the waitress and thats it. Since shes not a FL, I tipped much less than the market FL rate. Chatted with several FL and quote for LT was 1.2 to 1.5juta before nego irregardless SYT or milf. Not too adventurous since my first time there but still good considering had a few shots and definitely a budget trip. Food was nice nearby hotel and good variety. Went for a clean traditional massage at 90k/hr, so so only.
My next trip will probably be more adventurous. So much tempting to ON few of the FLs i chatted with. :D

nono1973

25-03-2019, 05:51 PM

Bro Nono, your posts on this thread is always information and enlightening.
Given the article you shared, wouldn't the poor economical outlook affect the property prices (and completion)?

I am not so much worry on this part as i do not plan to owe the bank or anyone money (that comes with interest) during my purchase. Economic outlook is actually one of my least worry. I should be more worrying about Batam having 1.2 million population but has housing/lodging meant for 12 million population,hehehe...and thats not counting hotels.

When more than 300 thousand lost their jobs and when these people left Batam during 2017 to 2018, how many comes back in? Note that 300 thousand is more than half the foreigner population in Batam as it was known that about 500 thousand resides in Batam.

I had thought of retiring in Batam too. But the thought of the property purchase restriction for foreigners had put a damper on the idea...

And these are some of my key worries, developer run-road and/or hidden rules (and its laws which many developers try to hide it from buyers).

1. Unclear rules and laws by the agents (they knew the cons but didnt state,which is what i hate..yes,"hate" is a strong word)

2. Propagandizing advertisement (while i state the good and bad on my info and review/s in this forum, but those propagandizing only state the good and NO BAD,hehehe..)

3. A later date (couple of years later) when there are too many empty apartments in batam with little tenant renting.

4. Indonesia government's flip flop regulations and laws.

5. Political changes (with lots of broken promises and change of policies)

I will need to devise my way out of all of the above,hehehe... and i need to prepare myself to lose a certain percentage of money when i decide to step into the island with my investment.

Honestly speaking, i have no solution today but i will need to source for some. Most people who knows me well enough will know, i often try to sort for solution/s before the actual physical problem occurs. Hehehe...kiasu mentality. :D

I use to own a condo unit in jkt but is using a very close friend name to buy, stay a few years and rented it out for 2-3 years and finally sold it and move the money to Thailand to buy condo house there.........be careful when buying property in Indonesia, my last known info is foreigner still not allow to own condo except few very high end type in jkt which is open to foreigner.

Thank you for sharing, and well noted on the above.

I have been reading lots of propaganda from many developer's advertisment.

(i quote-lock the below 3 photo so no one can quote them)
https://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27176/2717684443ed9f797f96cf0baf771ab7a55c4b60.jpg

https://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27176/271768436c0d5bc3f44c905567a2dce2c8333c6b.png

https://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27176/27176842b2fb369546df79f89c525d0784250188.jpg

...and some of the bigger names like Oxley were quite informative in their advertisement tho (thumbs up to them and they deserve good business). At least can tell they werent trying to play hide and seek with the "foreigner is eligible" words.

https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27176/271768461e661b73557ebdaf37029087a2ef060b.jpeg

Currently am in step number 1 when comes to buying apartments in Batam, so nothing is concrete yet. And i believe i should have many more steps to go...hehehe...a long way to go. :p

At planning and learning stage now, not going to jump in out of sudden becos things are within my budget.

Which is the reason why i sincerely thank you for your input.

Thank you.

* avoid quoting my whole long post if anyone is replying to my post, thank you

nono1973

25-03-2019, 05:52 PM

ticket price ard $30+ so 20% is $6+ discount
plus $14 terminal fee...
ok lah... use for cab fare or SIM card

With the orange colored horizon ferry tickets scattering all over Batam now, who still buys Batamfast? Hehehe...

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18442775&highlight=orange#post18442775

There are new ones now that expires on 31st May tho...

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18478494&highlight=orange#post18478494

Comparing with the original Horizon ferry tickets from its counter at Harbour front at S$48, its a saving between S$8 to S$11.50. I am waiting for those that expires on June 2019 tho.

nono1973

25-03-2019, 05:55 PM

Another interesting article date on Singapore's National Day 2016, about 2.5 years ago as of this post. There are some key information on the article that i need, especially the 2nd photo i extracted into this thread in the article below...

As usual, i will hide most part for uninterested person and those interested simply click on the Spoiler Button to view the full article.

Foreigners Still Not Eager to Buy Property in Indonesia

Although the government of Indonesia recently decided to allow foreigners to buy landed houses and apartments in Indonesia (while setting a minimum value on property that foreigners are allowed to purchase), there are yet to surface reports of expats buying Indonesian property. There are several matters that can explain foreigners' lack of enthusiasm to invest in property in Indonesia. Indonesian property association Real Estate Indonesia (REI) has several proposals to make it more attractive for expats to buy real estate in Indonesia.

Enggartiasto Lukita, Honorary Chairman of the REI who recently replaced Thomas Lembong as Indonesia's new Trade Minister in a cabinet reshuffle, stated that the easiest solution (to boost foreign appetite to buy property in Indonesia) would be to make it mandatory that all high-rise apartment building projects are developed on land under the so-called ‘right-of-use’ title (in Indonesian: hak pakai). He plans to discuss this matter with the Minister of Land & Spacial Planning and the National Land Agency (BPN).

In 2015 Indonesian President Joko Widodo signed a regulation that allows expats to purchase property under this 'right-of-use' title, up to a maximum period of 80 years (the expat buys the property for an initial period of 30 years but he can extend it twice, up to a total of 80 years). A new requirement for the foreigner is the minimum value that has been set on landed houses and apartment units. By setting very high minimum values it will only impact on the market's top end (hence not pricing out local buyers).

https://img0.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27177/27177140014674781a1ac26ce1c1132b40b16b78.jpg

Actually, previously, foreigners could already purchase property under the right-of-use category. However, the latest change gives this title a more permanent character. Still, this 'right-of-use category is not as strong as the 'right-of-ownership category.

However, there are no Indonesian property developers that develop apartments under the right-of-use category as this category is not popular among the Indonesian population. Naturally, Indonesians prefer to have the stronger right-of-ownership (which lasts indefinitely). Therefore, many property developers may not agree with the plan of Minister Lukita as they could see a big portion of their market vanish. However, according to REI Chairman Eddy Hussy, property developers actually agree with this proposal, possibly because not many development projects qualify for the minimum value that has been set for purchase of Indonesian property by a foreigner.

https://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27177/2717713710b148cbc5aad62779b33b5222374bf6.jpeg

The next hurdle is to allow mortgages for foreigners. Currently, local banks will not sell mortgages for property under the right-of-use title. Lukita therefore suggests to change this and allow property under the right-of-use title to be used as collateral when purchasing a mortgage. Currently a foreigner is still required to pay 100 percent in cash for the property under the right-of-use title.

It also remains unclear whether the foreigner who purchases property in Indonesia needs to live and/or work in Indonesia or can be a resident of a different country. According to the latest "speculation", the Indonesian government may allow non-resident foreigners to buy Indonesian property (and in fact give provide them with a five-year resident permit after the purchase as a bonus). We will wait for this story to crystallize.

_____________________________

Some things in the above articles might have change (or tweet a little) for the better over the last 2.5 years. So i am still looking out as i type.

I read this article over a year ago,but keep it in tab in my Batam info vault but now decide to put it up here for compiling. Just sharing...

miumiu6464

26-03-2019, 02:49 AM

u nwday quite eng ya...looking 2 buy properly in btm...wan 2 rent yr apartment 2 me nxt time, izzit? :D

mus tel u b careful , mai tio burn hor...btm properly actual no much cheaper compare 2 sinkpore wen u counting by $ per square foot....lol...sm more after u live 4 a while inside liao then sell 100% lugi money de.... :p

Did some enquiry recently on purchase of property.

1. Foreigners can't buy those houses with land - think most of us know this. Those are only for Indonesian to buy.

2. Only apartments with value more than 750 juta, then you will get the title deed in your name. Less than 750 juta and you will just hold on to the Sales & Purchase Agreement as proof of purchase. The title deed will bear the developer name.

If this is the case, you're restricted to full cash payment or instalment plan by the developer.

3. Initial ownership is for 30 years only, extendable by another 30 years then 20 years, making it a total of 80 years. Don't know what happen after that.

If the owner is going to be Indonesian, then the above don't apply. But then, you will have another set of worry if owner gonigong to be Indonesian. Ha ha

miumiu6464

26-03-2019, 03:09 AM

brother,have u try their local hospital? i meanin is u no buy frm apotek but buy direct frm hospital yr med, see weather they've or no? no tel me hospital themselves aso no have? :confused:

if like tat then jia lat liao....hw cum no move 2 btm? nearer sg ma... :(

nwday btm studio condom no expensive, can jus buy 1 & stay inside tere lor...lol..then like tat can make traveling easier ma.

Wife is worried of me curi ayam, given the fantastic reputation of Batam plus the frequent sms/WhatsApp messages from my ex-regulars. So, insist that we settle down in her hometown. Currently renting a 2 bedroom house, cheap at $250 for 6 months.

It's a small town here, with only 1 mall, 1 Hypermart, 1 Matahari and 1 Cinemaxx theatre. Have a few small scale hospitals which I don't think will have the medicine I'm taking. Heck, even SG govt is not providing subsidy for the medicine and can't pay via Medisave too. That's why I only tried asking K24 and Kymia since they are larger pharmacy chain.

Will be visiting batam next couple of months. Will try checking with the larger hospitals there if they carry the medicine I'm taking. If have, then will apply for their medical insurance card. Very cheap, 80k per month only and entitled to 2 beds ward, if suay² required lah.

miumiu6464

26-03-2019, 03:19 AM

Naka_Timo

26-03-2019, 10:38 AM

Finally, my first batam trip, solo. With some advises from Bro Nono1973, managed to have a good solo trip. Thanks again Bro Nono1973. A brief FR here.
Arrived HB and glad there was WIFI. Connected and booked a Grab from a
My next trip will probably be more adventurous. So much tempting to ON few of the FLs i chatted with. :D

Nice one. waiting for your next adventurous here.

dromad68

26-03-2019, 04:10 PM

Still hoping to find boyzillian waxing in Batam. So far, I only found Pink Parlour has a franchise in the whole of Indonesia but not in Batam. If any bro happen to know pleas pm me.

Couldn't find any info on boyzillian waxing in Batam. Going to stay around Harbour Bay area. If you know of any good ones, please let me know. Appreciate it.

BFOMF5

26-03-2019, 07:02 PM

Was in Balai (Karimum) last week...

Day 1 skp -> TBK stay in Holiday
Day 2 east coast waterfall. Stay in Gabion
Day 3 West coast Pelawan beach. Stay in Karimum city
Day 4 TBK -> kukup (m'sia)
:)

Balai 18-21Apr 19
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18495927&highlight=#post18495927

Day 1
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18506187&highlight=#post18506187

Day 2
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18510595&highlight=#post18510595

HeatguyAlvin

26-03-2019, 08:15 PM

Did some enquiry recently on purchase of property.

1. Foreigners can't buy those houses with land - think most of us know this. Those are only for Indonesian to buy.

2. Only apartments with value more than 750 juta, then you will get the title deed in your name. Less than 750 juta and you will just hold on to the Sales & Purchase Agreement as proof of purchase. The title deed will bear the developer name.

If this is the case, you're restricted to full cash payment or instalment plan by the developer.

3. Initial ownership is for 30 years only, extendable by another 30 years then 20 years, making it a total of 80 years. Don't know what happen after that.

If the owner is going to be Indonesian, then the above don't apply. But then, you will have another set of worry if owner gonigong to be Indonesian. Ha ha

didn't know this. Then how does the villas in Montigo work, if one is considering to buy them. Does one own the land the villa sits under or is it just a lease by the developer, in this case KOP?

Looking at how http://citrabuanaprakarsa.com/property/marriott-hotel/ has been delayed for so long also scary

BFOMF5

27-03-2019, 06:43 AM

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like tat i tink they gng 2 beat majestic & sindo if they no price dwn aso....lol

som more last trip saw one ah pek drive tis kind scooter all the way from harbor front check-in waiting conpound into inside horizon ferry lei...

...dn't knw legal or no legal 2 drive tis thg in btm roadside or no? Nwday these ah pek sibei hiong sia... can see tis ah pek who driving the scooter is no belong 2 those cannot use leg walk type...lol,means tis ah pek not a handicap hor.
Did saw one..but couldn't remember in btm ctr or hbb.
I ask he said he done this many times.

Remember years ago.
I was trying do E-biking in btm. Checked with both custom they said just treat it as a baggage item. Check-in by pay some fee($10??)

But for him custom treat it as a kind if handicap equipment...
It's free...:)

BFOMF5

27-03-2019, 07:32 AM

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mus tel u b careful , mai tio burn hor...btm properly actual no much cheaper compare 2 sinkpore wen u counting by $ per square foot....lol...sm more after u live 4 a while inside liao then sell 100% lugi money de.... :p
Years ago when I was eying to retired at btm...I ask a batam lawyer if I can buy a land in Beralang for farming...
He said something like...
the land is under "status quo"..
sorry law terms too chim for me...
Any way I do understand that...
The land is not belong to any one but the government. You're only paying to some one that had been "occupying" the land.
Any time any one on top need to use to the area. You get "No" compensation.

BFOMF5

27-03-2019, 07:36 AM

Checked with tickets seller.
June tix only come after 1 April.
Not sure f it's a April fool joke???
Next week will know.

nono1973

27-03-2019, 01:10 PM

Meantime i just touch up a bit on the landlord-friendliness in Indonesia....mostly info about renting out my units in future,hehehe...and some key info.

Once again, due to the long lengthy compilation, i shall "hide" most parts of it away from uninterested party and for those who are with me may wish to click on the Spoiler button to view the full article.

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Tenancy laws are generally neutral

Rents: Can landlord and tenant freely agree rents in Indonesia?

Rents are freely negotiated in Indonesia.

Rents are usually quoted in US dollar terms but paid in rupiah. Rents are typically paid in advance for the duration of the lease agreement. However, with an oversupply of rental units, tenants are now able to negotiate smaller advance payments or monthly payments. Tenants are also able to fix the exchange rate to protect them from devaluation of rupiah.

Rents are typically adjusted after 3 years, but the increase it typically capped at a maximum of 20% about the previous year's rental.

Deposits
A refundable security deposit of about a month's rent is required for unpaid bills and repairs.

Even if the rent is paid in advance for the duration of the lease with a security deposit, tenants can ask for a withholding fee to ensure that repairs are done to their satisfaction. The withholding fee is about a month's rent.

What rights do landlords and tenants have in Indonesia, especially as to duration of contract, and eviction?
Lease periods typically vary from 1 to 3 years. The terms depend upon the bargaining skills of the tenant and the landlord. Tenants typically have an option to renew.

Since most apartment units are rented out to foreigners, eviction is not a common problem. Expatriates lease the units for the duration of their assignment and typically leave before the expiration of their lease agreement. For some extraordinary cases, a "diplomatic clause" is inserted to allow the lease to be terminated if the expatriate is transferred outside of Indonesia.

It is also typical for companies to lease apartment units for their employees. In such cases, subleasing is usually allowed with the approval of the landlord. Maintenance and minor repairs (typically under US$ 100) are shouldered by the tenant. Standard lease agreements provide that major repairs (above US$100) are the responsibility of the landlord. It is advisable for tenants to negotiate a withholding fee, usually equivalent to 1 month's rent or 10% of the total lease value to be utilized in the event that the major repair is not addressed to the satisfaction of the tenant. Other aspects of the contract such as notices to leave are by agreement of the parties.

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How effective is the Indonesian legal system?
There are no reported serious cases of landlord and tenant disputes in the popular media.

Legislation
There are no specific provisions for landlord and tenant regulation. The general law covering land in Indonesia is Basic Agrarian Law (Law No.5 of 1960). The right of lease (Hak Sewa) is not registered with the National Land Agency. However in practice, some local land offices will allow notation of the lease to be made in the official land records and/or on the title certificate itself.

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Below are some information i find pretty important to note on....and its very detail too.

(dated Jan 2019)

Purchasing an Apartment or Office under Strata Title

Ownership of offices and apartments is possible through strata title deeds, but you need to be very cautious when dealing with the laws and regulations to ensure that your ownership of an apartment in a high rise building is secure.

The 1996 regulation (No. 41/1996) states that foreigners who reside in Indonesia, or visit the country regularly for business purposes, can purchase a home, apartment or condominium as long as it isn't a part of a government-subsidized housing development. However, foreigners can only hold land-use (hak pakai) deeds, and the development holds the "Hak Pakai" (right-to-build) deed. It's not possible for someone to have a land-use deed for a sub-unit of a right-to-build deed. The length of these titles varies as well. Therein lies some of the difficulties and unclear ownership issues.

This means that foreigners can effectively lease (not truly own) an apartment for up to 70 years, but not a free standing house. Within this 70-year period, foreigners must also periodically renew their right to use. The initial Hak Pakai period is for 25 years, then is renewed for an additional 25 years and finally a 20 year period.

Hak Guna Bangunan vs Hak Milik

Hak Guna Bangunan is only the right to use a building for a certain period of time and then has to be extended. The owner of HGB land is the Indonesian government. HGB is also translated as - Conditional Corporate Ownership.

Only with Hak Milik do you actually own the land or building. Hak Milik does not need to be extended.

Hak Pakai allows you the use of the facilities, but not the ownership. Hak Pakai is also translated as - Conditional Ownership.

....and there, some extra info on Indonesia property ownership below.

“Foreign ownership of houses or apartments falls under the Right of Use category, locally known as Hak Pakai, which is weaker than the Right of Ownership category (freehold) or Hak Milik that can only be acquired by Indonesian citizens which is in accordance with the prevailing land law and regulations in Indonesia.”

Indonesia is regarded as one of Asia’s most promising emerging markets, in addition to its beautiful natural attractions and diverse culture. In this globalisation era, it is inevitable that foreigners want to come to this country, whether it’s for investment or tourism purposes.

Foreigners can choose to invest in various kinds of sectors in Indonesia. The property sector, for example, is a great investment opportunity for either commercial or personal purposes, as it is considered as one of the safest investment instruments and can be utilised for other purposes.

Previously, Indonesian law gave foreigners very limited access to own property. However, on December 28, 2015 the government set new requirements and procedures to allow foreigners to own property.

To support Indonesia’s domestic economic growth and attract private foreign investors to invest in the property sector, the Indonesian Government set forth Government Regulation No.103 of 2015 on Ownership of Dwelling of Residency House by Foreigner Domicile in Indonesia (Regulation 103).

In addition, to provide a technical guide for Reg 103, The Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning/Head of National Land Agency (Ministry of Land), issued Regulation No. 13 of 2016 on the Procedure for Granting, Releasing, or Transferring Land Rights over Residential Houses to Foreign Nationals in Indonesia (Regulation 13) on March 2016.

However, on September 29, 2016, the Ministry of Land revoked Regulation 13 and replaced it with Regulation No. 29 of 2016 on Procedure for Granting, Releasing, or Transferring Land Rights over Residential Houses to Foreign Nationals in Indonesia (Regulation 29), which is considered to be more “investor friendly”.

Regulation 13 was replaced because it did not receive a positive response from investors as expected. Some of the articles were considered hard to be implemented. For example, Regulation 13 did not allow foreigners to purchase second-hand properties.

By issuing Regulation 29, the Indonesian government allows foreigners who work or reside legally in Indonesia to own houses or apartments in the country for a period up to 80 years and the property can be part of a will during the ownership period.

However, foreign ownership of houses or apartments falls only under the Right of Use category, locally known as Hak Pakai, which is weaker than the Right of Ownership category (freehold) or Hak Milik that can only be acquired by Indonesian citizens in accordance with the prevailing law and regulation in Indonesia.

Other than that, there are several requirements and consequences for foreigners who own property in Indonesia, and it has been stipulated in Regulation 29 as follows:

There is a set fixed minimum price for the property per region.
The property can be purchased from second-hand sellers with certain criteria.
Foreigners and their families are only allowed to have a maximum of one property.
Limited to a maximum of 2000 Sqm land size (for houses).
Property can be mortgaged in a bank or Indonesian financial institution.
Must maintain their stay permit visa during their property ownership period.
When leaving Indonesia, the foreigner must release or transfer the Right of Use to another person who meets all requirements to own property in Indonesia (this can be another foreigner or an Indonesian citizen) within one year after his or her departure from Indonesia.
Foreigners can buy a house in Indonesia for an initial period of 30 years, which can be extended by another period of 20 years and then can be renewed for another 30 years.

At the end of 2017 the Indonesian government was rumoured to be proposing a new provision in a land bill that will allow foreigners to own properties under the Right to Build category or Hak Guna Bangunan. Right to Build allows the owner to build and own the building. It is far more advantageous for foreigners and also has a higher status than the Right of Use. However, there has not been any stated regulation yet regarding this matter.

Buying costs are very high in Indonesia

How high are realtors´ and lawyers´ fees in Indonesia? What about other property purchase costs?

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How difficult is the property purchase process in Indonesia?

Individual foreigners can buy condominiums in Indonesia, though the formal law is slightly knotty. Foreigners can also buy control of landed property, though the legal difficulties are larger, and the degree of peace of mind attainable is correspondingly smaller.

Condominiums

The basis for foreign ownership of strata-title residential property, i.e. condominiums, is Government Regulation No 41 of June 1996. Regulation 41/1996 is however unclear, and no foreigner has actually received a strata title as a certificate of ownership. In practice, foreigners sign a Convertible Lease Agreement by which the title is held in the name of the developer, while a lease is held for a definite period. The Convertible Lease Agreement states that, if and when prevailing laws and regulations permit ownership of strata titles by foreigners, both the lessor and the lessee will be obligated to sign a deed of sale and purchase, transferring title to the foreign owner.

Land
Foreigners are not allowed to own freehold land. Nevertheless, they can acquire rights to the use of land but not ownership rights.

There are three options open to foreigners for buying in Indonesia:

1. Through an Indonesian representative

It is common practice to have an Indonesian representative acquire land for the foreign buyer. Ownership of land must be transferred from the previous owner to the Indonesian representative. For the foreign buyer´s security, three agreements must be entered into with the Indonesian representative.

Loan Agreement - this states that the foreign buyer lent the purchase price to the Indonesian representative.
Irrevocable Power of Attorney - this gives the foreign buyer full authority to sell, lease, mortgage, etc. the land.
Permanent Right of Use Agreement - this gives the foreign buyer full rights to the use and occupancy of the land.

2. Through a Penanaman Model Asing (PMA) Company

PMA is a "status of doing business" in Indonesia. A PMA company has 30 years to operate after formation. It can be granted additional 30 years, and another 30 years, if it expands its project through additional investment. This can be 100% controlled by a foreigner.

The Right to Build (Hak Guna Bangunan - HGB) is available to PMA companies. The right to build or construct on land is valid for 30 years. This can be extended for an additional 20 years, and even for another 30 years after that.

To set up a PMA company you will be required to:

Submit a detailed business plan.
Operate in a business environment that adds value to Indonesia in terms of foreign skills, employment and environmental benefit.
Make an appropriate cash deposit in an Indonesian based bank. (The amount varies and is calculated from the capital employed in the business).
Show the property investment as an asset of the company.

The process takes approximately 3 to 4 months and once completed the company can apply for work permits for the foreign directors, 3 permits in the first year of operation. The cost of setting up is around US$5,000.

3. Through a Leasehold Title

This can be granted to qualified foreigners who are domiciled in Indonesia with a KITAS working visa. The lease runs for 25 years, and can be renewed for another 25 years.

It is important to hire the services of an Indonesian lawyer to assist with the transaction, especially with the monetary exchange. All land transactions must take place at the Indonesian Notary´s local office, Pejabat Pembuat Akta Tanah (PPAT), where the land is located.

While it may be natural to give a deposit, it is not advisable. There is no code of conduct for real estate firms in Indonesia; they do not have any legal obligation to protect the buyer´s interests and guarantee the title.

There are registered and unregistered lands in Indonesia. The Basic Agrarian Law of 1960 governs certified land, which is registered at the local land office. Unregistered land, Adat land, is community-owned. An examination of the land certificate being bought is important.

The whole process of registering property involves six procedures and takes around 22 days to complete.

Footnotes to Transaction Costs Table

Transfer Tax:
Transfer tax is levied on the sale of real property in Indonesia at a flat rate of 5%. The base is the transfer value of the property.

Sale and Purchase of Land Deed
The execution of the sale and purchase of Land Deed is made before Land Officials, namely a notary public appointed by the Head of the National Land Office (PPAT) or a local Head of a District (Camat PPAT). The cost is 1% of the property value.

Legal Fee:
Legal fees are negotiable. Processing fees for legal documents are at around 0.5% to 1.5% of the property value.

Registration Fee:
The registration fees are around 0.20% of the property value. Registration fees include administrative fees and stamp duty of IDR6,000 (US$0.41) per document.

Land and Building Transfer Duty (BPHTB)
The land and building transfer duty is levied at a flat rate of 5%, and is charged to the seller. The tax base is the transfer value of the property. There is a non-taxable amount which varies per region, and the non-taxable amount is IDR80 million (US$5,504) in Jakarta. This tax is different from the transfer tax.

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Real Estate Agent´s Fee
Real estate agent´s fee is around 5% of the property value. The fee is paid by either the buyer or the seller, but not both.

nono1973

27-03-2019, 01:10 PM

Been reading a lot from side of Indonesia, Batam. Time to read a bit from the Singapore side of rules and regulations (which is from moneysmart.sg). I have hid away the portions of the article below not related to Indonesia tho ,however i find them interesting as i could compare buying properties buying properties from other countries versus buying from Indonesia.

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Buying Property Overseas? Property Laws For Foreigners in Countries Like Malaysia, Australia & Thailand (plus Indonesia too)

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There are certain limits to investing in property in Singapore. Even in a lacklustre property market, private property is still exorbitantly priced and comes with a whole bunch of inconveniences, like ABSD and not being able to rent to tourists on Airbnb for less than 3 months. And with all the rules surrounding HDB ownership, affluent investors are usually precluded anyway.

Whether you’re thinking of securing a retirement home overseas or simply looking out for investment opportunities in nearby Southeast Asia, Australia or the UK, you might be toying with the idea of buying properties overseas. So what are some of the things that you should be looking out for?

Can I buy overseas property if I own an HDB in Singapore?

If you own an HDB flat, you can buy overseas residential property only after you have fulfilled the Minimum Occupation Period (MOP), usually 5 years, on your HDB flat. If you’re buying overseas commercial property, you don’t need to wait until the MOP is up to buy.

Once your MOP is up, you can buy as many subsequent residential private properties (whether in Singapore or overseas) as you want.

When you have committed to an overseas property purchase, you will not be able to purchase an HDB flat if you do not already have one.

If you wish to buy an overseas property, you will need to sell your HDB flat within 6 months of the purchase of your flat.

Conversely, if you wish to buy an HDB resale flat after buying overseas property, you will need to sell additional private property (whether in Singapore or overseas) on hand within 6 months.

Obviously, you will not be able to use CPF savings to pay for overseas properties.

Buying property in Malaysia for foreigners

The good news for Singaporeans who wish to retire across the Causeway is that it is fairly easy for foreigners to own Malaysian property.

You are generally allowed full ownership of most property residential property types so long as they have a value of at least RM1 million ($331,090 SGD).

You are prohibited from buying certain residential units that the government has identified as low and medium cost, to be set aside for lower income Malaysians, as well as Bumiputera properties or those situated on Malay Reserved Land.

In practice, this means that you might end up looking at more luxurious property developments. There are no restrictions on ownership of landed property (except in the above mentioned cases), so if you’ve always wanted to own a house, or are already eyeing that spanking new JB property, this is your chance.

Buying property in Indonesia for foreigners

Foreigners are generally not allowed to purchase property in Indonesia unless they have some kind of link with the country, such as by being PRs in Indonesia, working there or owning a business there.

Ownership of property by eligible foreigners in Indonesia is generally restricted to non-subsidised houses, certain apartment units or vacant land on which you can build your own house. Actually, this “ownership” is a “right to use” title and generally lasts for only 25 years at a time, renewable for up to 70 years.

To get around the short duration of leasehold titles, you can get an Indonesian representative to buy property on your behalf through a legally binding contract. You might also be able to buy property through your business if you have one in Indonesia.

Buying property in Australia for foreigners

Due to an influx of Chinese buyers raising property prices, Australia recently tightened the rules and it is now harder for foreign buyers to buy property there.

As a non-resident foreigner, you can only buy brand new property, so you’ll need to look out for new launches rather than check out the resale market.

Before making a purchase, you will first need to obtain approval from the Foreign Investment Review Board and pay a fee of $5,000 for properties whose value is less than 1 million AUD or $10,000 for properties over $1 million, with the cost of the fee rising by $10,000 for each additional million.

The catch is that just because you pay the fee doesn’t mean you will necessarily get the property you desire. If the sale falls through, too bad.

Banks are also allowed to lend only a maximum of 60% of the value of the home, which means you’ll have to be prepared to fork out a deposit of at least 40%.

Finally, you’ll have to pay stamp duty, which in certain states like Victoria has risen for foreign purchasers.

Buying property in Thailand for foreigners

Some property developers in Bangkok now hold launches in Singapore, which is a testament to the popularity of investing in Thai property.

Foreigners are technically only allowed to wholly-own apartment units rather than land. This is the route taken by most Singaporean investors who buy luxury condo units in Bangkok. Even then, 51% of each building must be owned by Thais. Once the quota has been reached, you won’t be able to buy a unit on the property unless another foreigner sells their share.

When it comes to buying landed property, the situation is trickier as foreigners are technically not allowed to own land. The available options for would-be landed property owners include getting a 30 year lease and setting up a Thai company that has at least 51% Thai ownership and then using the company to buy the property.

Buying property in UK for foreigners

There are few restrictions on foreign buyers in the UK, except when it comes to loans. So long as you have the cash, most residential property is free game. Landed property tends to be freehold, while condos and apartments are more likely to be leasehold.

The minimum deposit is 10%, but as a foreigner banks might only loan you as little as 60% of the property value.

Overseas property loans

You can opt to take out a property loan either in Singapore or in the country where you are buying property.

Don’t forget to consider the following:

Interest rates: Lower and more stable interest rates mean the mortgage will cost you less.
How much money you can borrow: If you take out a Singapore mortgage, the TDSR might limit how much you can borrow. The limits on overseas mortgages will depend on the rules in the foreign country.
Exchange rate: The future of the exchange rate will affect the overall cost of the mortgage to you.

Tips before you buy

Visit the launch, exhibition or actual property: If you’re investing in new or unbuilt property, visit the launch and try to get a feel for the actual unit instead of relying wholly on brochures or websites.
Visit the country: Inspect the area where the property is located. You don’t want to buy a property in a dodgy neighbourhood. For resale property, it’s obviously a good idea to inspect it in person.
Research the developer: Take extra care to research on the developer of your potential dream house. Check their reputation and past projects to avoid falling prey to an overseas property scam.
Research the market: Research the market, property type and area before you buy. For instance, in big cosmopolitan cities, a studio apartment in the city centre might be a better investment than a big house in the suburbs.

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The articles tho not in details but at least give me a rough idea whats to be done, what can be done and more important, understanding the level of riak-factor involved and the homework i need to do before my commitment.

i learned something from the article, hence i kept the above in my Batam Info vault.

nono1973

27-03-2019, 01:12 PM

This article below was written by Getty Goh and was posted on October 8, 2013 in propwise.sg ; to me its an interesting read up as it involve some property scam happening in Batam and as usual, i am having most part of it "hidden" away in case no one is interested to read. For those who are interested, simply click on the Spoiler Button below :

How to Spot Overseas Property Scams

Recently, a mainstream newspaper wrote about how some dodgy foreign property investment schemes were recently sold in Singapore. Being a co-founder of CoAssets, Singapore and South East Asia’s first real estate bulk purchase and crowdsourcing portal, I have come across my fair share of dodgy investments. Hence, I thought it would be useful for me to share some of the tools I use to help me discern whether a deal is genuine or a scam.

Looking through the news article, the deal was eerily similar to something that I came across just a few weeks ago. Some of the similarities are (1) the project is located south of Batam and (2) more than 1,300 units were sold for $70 million.

The business model of CoAssets has been likened to that of SouFun, a Chinese listed company that provides targeted ad solutions for property developers by aggregating demand (i.e. bulk purchase). Hence, we were approached to get aggregate bulk buyers for this Indonesian project. After careful consideration, we turned the collaboration down and we found two key red flags that made us cautious.

Red Flag #1: The numbers did not add up

One of the main things that made my team wary was that the projected numbers did not add up. In another news article, it was reported that the developer was planning to sell 900 units at US$90,000 (about S$117,000). There were different units and the smallest unit was about 60 square meters (about 646 square feet). Of the 900 units, 200 were already sold at a special pre-launch price of about US$30,000 (about S$39,000), which meant that a deep discount of about 66% had been given to the group of early buyers.

Developers are after all in the business of making money through the selling of properties; hence the question we wanted to answer was whether a discount of 66% was reasonable.

When it comes to development, one key component is construction cost. To find out how much it costs to build a residential property in Indonesia, construction cost estimates for 2013Q3 from Rider Levett Bucknall (RLB), an internationally renowned quantity-surveying firm, were used.

Based on the report, the estimated construction cost for Jakarta was between RP6,161,000 per sq m (about S$62.36psf) and RP9,839,000 (about S$99.62psf). Due to the lack of more precise data for the Batam region, construction cost for Jakarta was used as an indication. Based on the estimated cost, purely for construction, it would cost between S$40,000 and S$64,000 to build the smallest 60 square meter villa. Hence, at the special price of US$30,000, the developer may not be breaking even.

Compounding to the risk, the number of people who received the special 66% discount was also unclear. The project could still be viable if the developer gave the special 66% discount to just a handful of close business associates. However, if it gave it to all 200 buyers, the total amount collected would unlikely be enough to cover the construction cost for the 200 units.

Red Flag #2: The developer did not seem to have the financial strength

Developments are generally hefty financial undertakings and many developers do it with some form of construction loans from banks. While developers may not reveal the true financial situation to the retail property buyers, they will have to show their financial reports to banks in order to secure construction loans. Hence, developers that can secure bank financing at the construction stage tend to be in a good financial position and are more secure. Conversely, developers who do not have some form of bank financing during the construction stage are not viewed to be as attractive.

The 900 units in the Batam development falls under the latter category. That is not to say that all projects that do not have bank financing during the construction stage are doomed to fail. However, for this specific case, the amount needed to build all 900 hundred units is at least S$36 million (assuming all 900 units are 60 square meter units that cost S$40,000 each to construct). When we did an ACRA check on the Singapore company, we found that the company had only a paid up capital of S$300,000 and the key appointment holders of the company stayed in public flats.

What is your financial recourse?

When it comes to overseas property deals, a key aspect that investors should look at is financial recourse – if things go awry, who will be financially responsible to make the investors whole. Based on HDB’s website, it states that “Under the Housing & Development Act, so long as one of the flat owners of the HDB flat is a Singapore Citizen, the HDB flat (of any type) will not vest in the Official Assignee (“OA”) in the event of bankruptcy of any or all of the flat owners and the flat owners would not be compelled to dispose of their flat.” This means that investors would have limited recourse should the development fail to materialise, as the directors’ assets could not be sold to repay the debtors.

More troubling is that the amount raised from the presale is about S$7.8 million. It is still significantly less than the S$36 million needed for the project, bearing in mind that this is just a low end estimate as things like land cost, developer profits and other miscellaneous charges have not been factored in. A S$300,000 company is unlikely to have the type of financial muscle to deliver on a S$36 million project. And without bank financing, it is hard to fathom how they will be able to deliver on their promise.

Based on the two factors highlighted above, the CoAssets team concluded that the deal was too risky and we were not prepared to endorse it. At this juncture, I must emphasize that not all projects that fail are scams. Even good developments with solid management behind them have some risks of failing, as real estate development is, by nature, a risky endeavour.

To us, genuine business failures are realistic plans that go awry due to a sudden change of market conditions. On the other hand, scams are “fantastic promises” made by those who do not intend to keep them – this means that the plan is unrealistic at the onset.

Conclusion

To conclude, the Indonesian case study that I have cited in this article could be a genuine deal. The developer could also have the financial muscle to take on a multi-million project and be profitable selling their villa units at S$39,000. However, I think that it is always more prudent to err on the side of caution. Even if I am wrong and this turns out to be the next big financial deal, the market is not short of genuine good deals, all we have to do is look and do our due diligence.

I also must qualify that this article just provides a brief analysis on two of the more important red flags. There are many other considerations that have not been listed and a more detailed write-up will be beyond the scope of this article. However, if you are currently looking at a deal that seems too good to be true and would like to get a second opinion, you can drop me an email at [email protected]. While it is not part of CoAsset’s core business, we hope to add more value to you by highlighting some of the blind spots that you might have missed.

Ultimately, let me end off with this adage, “if it seems too good to be true, it often is”. This statement is pretty much applicable to everything in life, overseas property scams included.

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I am almost done with the property info posting, the last of it to do would be to compile EVERY damn thing i post before inside one post for my easy future reference.

i do read a lot, but doesnt mean i could read and can understand or/and able to remember it all.

I have already try my very best to squeeze all possible words inside one single post instead of having to make multiple posts, hence avoiding spamming or possibly be classified as TCSS in a thread. Meaning to say with the number of words in my one single post, i easily hit 20 posts in one single thread if i break them up (illustration number only,base on one or two line of sentence a post).

So please, avoid quoting my whole long post whenever anyone try to reply to my posting/s.

Reference posting :

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18509060&postcount=13259

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18509062&postcount=13260

Hurricane88

27-03-2019, 01:19 PM

nono1973

27-03-2019, 01:24 PM

Thanks Nono for the awesome information.

Yea I share whenever I can.

I have a hectic schedule and also because of the nature of my occupation so I usually can't play much, sadly. I have to go solo.

No worries, solo is all good. In fact, i run solo most time too, if there are other bros in Batam ,will occasionally meet them up for coffee or tea , exchange notes and all that.

Okay. I got a clearer idea of booking joints.

You mention KTV and MP. Are there "dirty" KTV and MP? I am more interested in bringing girl up to my hotel.

There are as much clean KTV as there are unclean ones. Well, if you have been to Singapore KTV before, you will know.

There are however some KTVs and MPs that disguise themselves as booking joint,hehehe...eg, Hawaii, Memory, Link and Hai Lai (aka sedona/gold bird)...those were the ones usually opening after 11am (weekends),whereas the MPs that doubles as booking joint would open for business a bit earlier.

(note, some KTV dont have room and customer sing with the girls in open hall concept)

Alishan on the 4th floor is a KTV (7pm onward but recently i hear they have happy hours too but not many girls in it), King massage (semi-clean),also on 4th floor is a good choice, tho not the best around. And then there is Utama hotel, surrounding the hotel's perimeter has quite a number of MPs scattered around,not forgetting booking joint too.

Nowaday, i hear Harmoni Hotel area is a pretty good choice too. Due to lack of business, price comes down, girl's service quality goes up. For myself, 3 simplest areas of cheonging today...

1. Formosa area

2. Utama area

3. Harmoni hotel area (do not be mistaken with Harmoni suite or Harmoni One,as all 3 of them are in different areas)

If you happen to have some time,move and look around. Find out which area suits you most. Point to point, they are all (3 areas) within about 20 mins walk or simpler said, just stay around hotels in those area. Formosa being in the center ,hehehe...so to tie up the area of cheonging, i actually divide the scene to ONLY 2 areas.

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18095972&postcount=12380

Above link were for your further reading.

nono1973

27-03-2019, 01:34 PM

sharing is 2 way, u share,i share...everybody benefit.

u no share, i share...no fair rite? :p

jus my very personal point of view. :D

You are right on this one. At the same time, i try my best to avoid answering repeated questions unless there are a bit of changes over what i said before. I started off as a newbie, a noob in Batam, and standing from their shoe i was able to understand what they wish to know about a place they were going to venture on for the 1st time and if only they read whats on my signature, i believe a normal English literate person should be more or less be able to understand as i would often try my best to simplify what i said.

https://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27187/27187864be8f7fa316889c1294add0acae603580.gif

Internet is a great place to make friends. But in order for one to make friend with another, both party forming that friendship needs to have some basic mutual understanding of each other's characteristic 1st or just be a complete stranger getting to know one another for the 1st time (perhaps thats just me,hehehe..).

Example, the bros in this forum. i dare say 80% of them would probably knew some parts of my characteristic becos of my 40 summaries, the basic Batam travelling guides and those information i compiled and shared in the thread. But over my side, a stranger suddenly pop out of nowhere wishing to join me in my Batam trip/s. Switching shoes with any reading human beings here,most would probably hit the ignore button.

There can only be one circumstances that i may join another complete stranger to Batam. That is, if i have NEVER before shared the 40 summaries, the basic Batam travelling guides and those compiled information in this thread before. Meaning 2 complete strangers, not knowing one another could possibly go to Batam together. But it is not fair for one whom everyone knows to agree to go out with someone nobody knows.

Of course, there is a solution to this. That is i go create a NEW nick in the forum and then pretend to join the group or a solo person in the forum (if i could think of this,others could too,isnt it?). Then again, thats just not me anymore and to me, would be consider as tricking those "friendship" which i value.

(over time,you will notice people come and go in another nick in this forum)

You or any others in the forum can say i am just being skeptical,too sensitive blah blah blah and all that...but if you have been stalked in batam before and as well as in the forum, you will not think that way. To me, in a 3rd world country, every human life is cheap and fragile, including my own (yes,i use very strong words here, "EVERY human life is cheap and fragile"). i could buy up your life easily with a few thousand dollar as much as you could buy mine.

I go to Batam to enjoy myself and to look for my kind of fun, come to the forum to share my bits and then compile information i need for future trips. I dont want any trouble hence i am cutting back on group trips with people i dont know. (one way to know someone better is through sharing,right?)

Call me a coward or being skeptical all you (or whoever) want and i agreed with you, hehehe...but that would be becos i value my own life. ;)

Ok, i am a bit exaggerating here...hehehe... and by the way, this post i replied is meant solely for you and not for others,hence i will only answer to you. And i meant no offence to anyone else reading it.

Cheers!

neil0103

27-03-2019, 01:37 PM

Anyone going to batam or planning to go next weekend? (1st week april)
If so would like to join in or we can organise our own.

PM me
Cheers!

milfmilf

27-03-2019, 05:49 PM

Spa Secret opposite Nagoya hill any happening?
or just another "atas" spa :D

BFOMF5

27-03-2019, 06:50 PM

When you have committed to an overseas property purchase, you will not be able to purchase an HDB flat if you do not already have one.

If you wish to buy an overseas property, you will need to sell your HDB flat within 6 months of the purchase of your flat.

Conversely, if you wish to buy an HDB resale flat after buying overseas property, you will need to sell additional private property (whether in Singapore or overseas) on hand within 6 months.

If I will or had own an oversea property how they know??

BFOMF5

27-03-2019, 06:55 PM

FYI
Princess massage move to the street beside SriKanfy.
Just about 5 shops away.
Also saw the laundry shop name Morena just beside them.

cataract

27-03-2019, 11:34 PM

Spa Secret opposite Nagoya hill any happening?
or just another "atas" spa :D

Atas spa, very clean. But should go there at least once, solid clean massage

HeatguyAlvin

28-03-2019, 12:36 AM

Spa Secret opposite Nagoya hill any happening?
or just another "atas" spa :D

nothing ... like seriously nothing.

afrocentric

28-03-2019, 02:03 PM

miumiu6464

28-03-2019, 02:28 PM

Hello guys, do you guys happen to know and good hotels that serve international breakfast and also we can bring in girls? I heard most 5 star hotels will not allow thst in batam not too sure about it. Any bros can help?

There's no such thing as girl-friendly or girl-unfriendly hotels in Batam. They only exist in Vietnam, Thailand etc.

dromad68

28-03-2019, 02:51 PM

How does KTV work? You book a room, you select a girl? How do the charges work?

milfmilf

28-03-2019, 04:27 PM

There's no such thing as girl-friendly or girl-unfriendly hotels in Batam. They only exist in Vietnam, Thailand etc.

thailand? at least they wont bother if you and the girl are husband and wife ba.

milfmilf

28-03-2019, 04:44 PM

nothing ... like seriously nothing.

that's very serious :o

nono1973

28-03-2019, 04:47 PM

Actually, if i remember correctly, hj is included in the basic non-fj package, no extra payment required except for tips.

I believe the same applies to Delta Spa too. Anything more, all require extra money,hehehe...

som more last trip saw one ah pek drive tis kind scooter all the way from harbor front check-in waiting conpound into inside horizon ferry lei...

http://poop.pictures/images/2019/03/25/l-golden-technologies-buzzaround-xl-3-wheel-scooter-7560-5015.jpg

...dn't knw legal or no legal 2 drive tis thg in btm roadside or no? Nwday these ah pek sibei hiong sia... can see tis ah pek who driving the scooter is no belong 2 those cannot use leg walk type...lol,means tis ah pek not a handicap hor.

I am not sure if they were handicapped people but many of them i noticed were road-hogger in the pedestrian/public walkway.

Within the compound of the condominium walkway or park, i might use it but definitely not on the main road in Batam,hehehe...something like the below...

https://img0.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27180/2718086022c35b3b8fd833de8898367e8c252f88.jpg

That would be like putting my life at GREAT risk...hehehe...sorry, i kiasu plus kiasi. :D

(for those who didnt know, Kiasu means afraid of losing out and Kiasi means afraid of dying)

nono1973

28-03-2019, 04:48 PM

Arrived HB and glad there was WIFI. Connected and booked a Grab from a nearby Hotel, however need to walk further out. Grab doesnt come into HB. Stayed at The K Hotel 270k booked from agoda. Not bad, may consider to stay again.
Met a waitress for lunch nearby Hotel and scored afterwards. This trip only spent time with the waitress and thats it. Since shes not a FL, I tipped much less than the market FL rate. Chatted with several FL and quote for LT was 1.2 to 1.5juta before nego irregardless SYT or milf. Not too adventurous since my first time there but still good considering had a few shots and definitely a budget trip. Food was nice nearby hotel and good variety. Went for a clean traditional massage at 90k/hr, so so only.
My next trip will probably be more adventurous. So much tempting to ON few of the FLs i chatted with. :D

Sincerely thank you for sharing.

I guess since you already knew about Balai, Batam should be like a walk in the park. There are many things one can try out in Batam out of fun...test them out, and you might just be surprise what your money can bring you which the same amount of it cannot be brought to you in Singapore and perhaps other countries.

I am sure you will be able to find the fun you are looking for. :p

Cheers!

Checked with tickets seller.
June tix only come after 1 April.
Not sure f it's a April fool joke???

Keep me posted. I am looking to buy those expiring on June. Almost can confirm some friends will be coming over,hehehe...and i plan to sell them those tickets at S$48.00,hehehe... :D

If they have July tickets,even better.

nono1973

28-03-2019, 05:12 PM

...in fact the same in hcm...we always go for brand new launches by well established local property company...selling mostly to locals plus 30% to foreigners...

Yes, this is why i am keeping a close watch before committing. In Batam, unless i play the game of buying when everything the developer has not started (not a single brick was laid on ground yet) and then sell AFTER they were half-way building, otherwise its not easy to make a profit in their real-estate market.

Usually after they finish building some time later, price tends to drop,hehehe...why so? Becos the landowner only have 30 years and 30 years later, when they extend, price probably drops further. Therefore the land itself has no real value as another 20 or 50 years later (after extending), it goes back to government.

Landowner themselves already like that, let alone apartment owners. 100% no freehold for foreign estate buyers.

..also making sure the company build and we pay accordiing to progress and not keep asking for money....:)

Be careful here on big names as well, surrounding economic is another key factor/s to consider too. My parents got burnt during the economic crisis time when they bought some properties in JB about decades ago. And they were bought from big named developers too.

On statistic, Batam's properties has gone up on average of about 10% per year (technically one of the highest among other parts of Indonesia), but then again,that was before so many developer drops into the small island,hehehe...over-stocking goodies can "bubble" things up.

I mainly plan to buy for my staying needs, so i am more looking into apartment blocks that that has already finished building. The other units in smaller size in plan/s were meant for rental yield,hence i dont wish to spend much on them. And since i know those estate that have been fully built, their price will likely come down in matter of time...hence i am doing my own experimental now, to test out if my deduction from now until somewhere 2020 is correct.

If i am right, then its about time i can plan to put my money in,hehehe... :D

Meantime, enough time itself will give me some "storyline".

Talk about story,hehehe...i actually have a small story to share,that happen last year 2018.

I got to know an elderly man (70s) in Formosa last year CNY (not this year 2019 CNY). He tells me he bought a "house" to house himself in Tiban few years back. Then i notice in my every Batam trip that month onward, i see him staying at the same hotel and in one of our breakfast time, i ask him..."since you already have a house in Batam, how come you still stay in Batam's hotel?",hehehe...

His reply to me..."Tiban too far out...i prefer this area"...."too inconvenient to travel around there...blah blah blah.."

From the part of his sharing, i learned one little thing, if i were to wish to buy a property in Batam to stay in, the 1st 2 key priority MUST be...

1. Safety

2. Convenient

Safety : As far from possibly of any social unrest as possible and in the even of trouble, safety is within reach at the shortest time.

Convenient : I believe no one wants to be too far away from entertainment, daily necessities, emergency medication, healthcare etc etc.

Man his age, making more money should more or less already be secondary. ;)

(from this man, i also got to know his other friends that is around his age too)

milfmilf

28-03-2019, 08:12 PM

next week like no good movie :(

milfmilf

28-03-2019, 08:13 PM

nearby nagoya where can get mature MILF :D

HeatguyAlvin

28-03-2019, 08:13 PM

nitecrawllerr

28-03-2019, 09:01 PM

If I will or had own an oversea property how they know??

When u buy, esp Msia property, best u declare with Sillypore garment. Dont take the risk. Sillypore have special arrangement with overseas garment. Indonesia my be included too. I wont be surprised.:D

miumiu6464

28-03-2019, 10:13 PM

thailand? at least they wont bother if you and the girl are husband and wife ba.

Ok, but I think we are talking about working girls here.

miumiu6464

28-03-2019, 10:19 PM

I believe the same applies to Delta Spa too. Anything more, all require extra money,hehehe...

When I used to patronize Delta Spa, the hj is only included if you book 3 sessions. 1 or 2 sessions don't get "free hj". That was in 2012/3. Not sure about now.

miumiu6464

28-03-2019, 10:21 PM

next week like no good movie :(

Just watched Dumbo at the cinema here where I am. Should be showing in Batam's Cinemaxx theatre. Not bad, your girl should like it.

mygirly

29-03-2019, 07:59 AM

Still hoping to find boyzillian waxing in Batam. So far, I only found Pink Parlour has a franchise in the whole of Indonesia but not in Batam. If any bro happen to know pleas pm me.

Yes, there's a palour that do waxing for men too. But didn't specifically mentioned boyzillian though. Will find out and let you guys interested know.

davidlah

29-03-2019, 09:17 AM

Just some food for thought with recent discussions abt buying properties in Indonesia.

You might want to think about:

1. Previous Ownership of land title. If it is in dispute or dubious, the new land title is in jeopardy and all the buildings on that land. Some half finished buildings in Indonesia are results of unfinished disputes due to previous ownership of the land title. The previous sellers of the land to the developers may not be the legal owner. If the land is previously a slum areas, you might deal with multiple ownerships.

2. Rupiah is always under pressure, whatever capital gain is offset by rupiah drop in value.

3.Same like China, maintenance is a big problem. Whatever new common facilities will be broken and not repaired for a long time.

4. Law always changes, and implementation of laws are not strictly followed at local level.

5. Renting out in batam is not attractive given rupiah interest rate and devaluation tendency. As such, it is then better to rent from batam owner than to buy. Given the proximity of Batam to Singapore, buying and renting out Singapore properties be it hdb or private apartments and then using the proceed to rent and live in batam is a better option. If you have extra cash to buy and fully paid an additional batam property, you are better off buying a small studio or even a 3 room hdb flat on the outskirt of singapore with additional loan, and then using rental proceed (whole unit or rooms) to cover that loan and use the remainder to rent in batam.

Some food for thoughts to avoid all the hassle of ownership of anything in Indonesia. Cheers and enjoy. Go to enjoy and avoid all the hassle and headache. Being an owner and a landlord in Batam is not very easy, albeit possible.

Have a cold beer. Cheers.

dromad68

29-03-2019, 10:51 AM

Thanks. It’s probably the one and only. I’ve asked ESKA, Tiara Mustika (which mistakenly advertised “boyzillian” in their menu when they meant brazillian), and some others that I cannot remember the names anymore. Then I realised that they probably can’t advertise outright. But there should be Chinese Indonesians who would do this.

Yes, there's a palour that do waxing for men too. But didn't specifically mentioned boyzillian though. Will find out and let you guys interested know.

Hurricane88

29-03-2019, 11:11 AM

Just some food for thought with recent discussions abt buying properties in Indonesia.

4. Law always changes, and implementation of laws are not strictly followed at local level.

5. Renting out in batam is not attractive given rupiah interest rate and devaluation tendency. As such, it is then better to rent from batam owner than to buy. Given the proximity of Batam to Singapore, buying and renting out Singapore properties be it hdb or private apartments and then using the proceed to rent and live in batam is a better option. If you have extra cash to buy and fully paid an additional batam property, you are better off buying a small studio or even a 3 room hdb flat on the outskirt of singapore with additional loan, and then using rental proceed (whole unit or rooms) to cover that loan and use the remainder to rent in batam.

Some food for thoughts to avoid all the hassle of ownership of anything in Indonesia. Cheers and enjoy. Go to enjoy and avoid all the hassle and headache. Being an owner and a landlord in Batam is not very easy, albeit possible.

Have a cold beer. Cheers.

Great points...but owning a property is really depends...I will only invest in big cities whereby many ppl crowded into the cities and property is cheap...so when property price goes up the gain will outweigh the currency depreciation....:)

even if property price crashes we still own the property...:)

buy for living will be simpler...just ensure due diligence...:)

HeatguyAlvin

29-03-2019, 11:12 AM

When I used to patronize Delta Spa, the hj is only included if you book 3 sessions. 1 or 2 sessions don't get "free hj". That was in 2012/3. Not sure about now.

From what I know too the HJ there must be negotiated. Not sure if it's different now but I have never been back ever since and the hassle brought me to Octopuss where it is included.

nono1973

29-03-2019, 11:14 AM

Looks like April is a good month for movie,hehehe...beside just Shazam (https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18495617&postcount=13231), there is 2 more supposingly good movie coming up,hehehe....

HELL BOY

https://img0.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27187/27187290a68e0052167d25a09f3155188156b285.jpg

Well,Hellboy isnt exactly what i am looking forward to watch tho...i still remember, i doze off in the last sequel of the movie,hehehe...but base on its trailer, i notice they made some improvement.

Come to think of it, movie-goer keeps talking about Marvel and DC...but many didnt know there is also a Dark Horse too,hehehe...and Hell Boy belongs to Dark Horse Comics,hehehe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Enhf1qEHYE

I am more looking forward to the next movie tho...hehehe...

Avenger 4 - Endgame

https://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27187/27187373eaa4518aa6aa3505194be1464bbc7db0.gif

If anyone watch Avenger 3 - Infinity War, you will probably know Thanos manage to kill half the universe's living beings,and many members of the Avenger has died, i believe this upcoming Avenger 4 Endgame would be more of revenge (from the Avenger team)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBFSGVi1c

...and if you watch last month's Captain Marvel movie in Batam, hehehe...you might probably guess Captain Marvel will be featuring in this Avenger 4 movie too. Oh, well...she's afterall said-to-be Marvel most powerful super hero.

If i am in Batam,depending on which part of April (as Shazam, Hellboy and Avenger 4 is coming out in different parts of the month), i am more likely to catch it in CGV Blitz theater at Park Avenue Mall on Velvet seatings,hehehe... or at the worst, Harbour Bay Blitz in their Sweet box seat. :p

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18467751&highlight=theater#post18467751

The theater is new, its not expensive...YET! So its worth the trouble to travel there to try catching at least one movie there. Feel free to eat and drink there...it gonna be fun. ;)

nono1973

29-03-2019, 11:19 AM

If I will or had own an oversea property how they know??

Like how the Sillypore government found out about how much money Yang Yin, the China tourist guide has move the old lady's money (whom he cheated off) to China to buy some luxury home and stuffs for his parents there? :p

Maybe the government uses bro Iccy's method? (just a joke..hehehe..) :D

Talk about moving money from Singapore, hmm...i think i may have to declare (and pay tax/fee) if i move more than S$20k from Singapore to Batam (under Singapore law).

https://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27193/271937544d43713f08fae99ef719141f65304e1b.jpg

https://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27193/2719375373329d208d59105e46441461d871bed8.jpg

Its illegal to bring more than 100 juta worth of foreign currency into the country (thats from Indonesia Law/Regulation).

________________________________

i "hid" what i found out...and only release what's important on the below article.

Starting from March 5, 2018, Indonesian citizens as well as foreigners need to be a bit more careful when bringing foreign-denominated cash money into Indonesia. A new Bank Indonesia regulation sets a IDR 1 billion (approx. USD $75,000) ceiling on the total amount of foreign cash money an individual can bring into Indonesia.

The new regulation of the country's central bank (Bank Indonesia) only allows banks and licensed money changers to bring in foreign bank notes worth more than IDR 1 billion. If an individual carries the equivalent of more than IDR 1 billion into Indonesia, then customs will have the power to confiscate the money.

Currently, there is no ceiling on the amount of foreign bank notes that are carried into Indonesia although authorities require cash worth more than IDR 100 million (approx. USD $7,500) to be declared when arriving in Indonesia.

The new regulation is also designed by Bank Indonesia to have a firmer grip on the supply-side of foreign-denominated money in the country, hence safeguarding the stability of the rupiah exchange rate.

https://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27193/271937251ecd19563c764bd08fc2cf1b3df94230.jpg

The regulation is also in support of Bank Indonesia's efforts to combat the use of foreign currency in domestic transactions. On 1 July 2015, Bank Indonesia's Regulation No. 17/3/PBI/2015 on the Mandatory Use of the Rupiah in Indonesia came into effect. This regulation restricts the use of foreign currencies in transactions conducted in Indonesia. The regulation aims to deepen the domestic rupiah market and stabilize the rupiah exchange rate (which is vulnerable to depreciation in times of global turmoil).

On Monday (15/05) the Indonesian rupiah appreciated 0.20 percent to IDR 13,303 per US dollar (Bloomberg Dollar Index). Meanwhile, Bank Indonesia's benchmark rupiah rate (Jakarta Interbank Spot Dollar Rate, abbreviated JISDOR) appreciated 0.16 percent to IDR 13,319 per US dollar.

nono1973

29-03-2019, 11:40 AM

Hello guys, do you guys happen to know and good hotels that serve international breakfast and also we can bring in girls?

Not that i know of,regarding any Batam hotels that DO NOT allow guest to bring girl/s into the room.

I heard most 5 star hotels will not allow thst in batam not too sure about it. Any bros can help?

There is currently only ONE official 5 star hotel in Batam and that is Montigo Hotel resort, which is far far away from the cheonging area (Nagoya) in Batam. And so far, i have not seen or heard any guest being rejected entry becos they brought unlisted female guest/s into the room (villa).

(reminds me of a sex party there,hehehe...)

Marriot, the many-talk-about-hotel that is supposingly rated 5 star has not been completely built. Meaning not open for business yet, hence your choice is only left with the 4 stars. I usually ask my friends to stay in 3 star hotel but pay 4 star hotel price,hehehe...why so?

Becos you get a MUCH better quality and bigger room (compare to 4 star basic room) and the likelihood of you being treat like a VIP is there. You get to stands out from the rest. However, the best hotel in Batam is the one that brings me the best convenience for girls, groceries, entertainment and safety. ;)

To each his own..your money, your call, your choice.

When I used to patronize Delta Spa, the hj is only included if you book 3 sessions. 1 or 2 sessions don't get "free hj". That was in 2012/3. Not sure about now.

Since anything extras also need to pay, i dont take up their 3 session, Delta automatic earns lesser. I simply only take up 1 or 2 session,hehehe...and then negotiate anything special with the girl directly.

I understand not all girls will take up MY offer,hehehe...but well,i guess so far i have been lucky. ;)

(pay direct to Delta, girl sure earns lesser, pay directly to girl, she earns more and possibly might work harder, so why not?)

One of the main reason why i no longer visit delta is not becos of i stand a chance to become "not-lucky" (i didnt say unlucky tho) but more becos i wish to relax and have some peace of mind during a massage session and NOT having to deal with a massage girl or their GROs who keeps trying to aggressively upsell me some of their company's product/service, as if they are like some Yun Nan Hair salon or Beijing 101 scams in Singapore. :D

nono1973

29-03-2019, 12:27 PM

I mainly plan to buy for my staying needs, so i am more looking into apartment blocks that that has already finished building. The other units in smaller size in plan/s were meant for rental yield,hence i dont wish to spend much on them. And since i know those estate that have been fully built, their price will likely come down in matter of time...hence i am doing my own experimental now, to test out if my deduction from now until somewhere 2020 is correct.

If i am right, then its about time i can plan to put my money in,hehehe... :D

Meantime, enough time itself will give me some "storyline".

Talk about story,hehehe...i actually have a small story to share,that happen last year 2018.

I got to know an elderly man (70s) in Formosa last year CNY (not this year 2019 CNY). He tells me he bought a "house" to house himself in Tiban few years back. Then i notice in my every Batam trip that month onward, i see him staying at the same hotel and in one of our breakfast time, i ask him..."since you already have a house in Batam, how come you still stay in Batam's hotel?",hehehe...

His reply to me..."Tiban too far out...i prefer this area"...."too inconvenient to travel around there...blah blah blah.."

From the part of his sharing, i learned one little thing, if i were to wish to buy a property in Batam to stay in, the 1st 2 key priority MUST be...

1. Safety

2. Convenient

Safety : As far from possibly of any social unrest as possible and in the even of trouble, safety is within reach at the shortest time.

Convenient : I believe no one wants to be too far away from entertainment, daily necessities, emergency medication, healthcare etc etc.

Man his age, making more money should more or less already be secondary. ;)

(from this man, i also got to know his other friends that is around his age too)

1. Formosa Residence/Citra Plaza, just 20 mins walk from Harbour Bay ferry terminal. Nearest shopping is Nagoya Hill Mall, which is 5 mins walk and with plenty of 24 hours retail mart in the area. Then again, Formosa is currently the MOST expensive apartment in Batam, at almost S$100k for a studio unit (even tho its a bigger than normal studio).

2. Harbour Bay residence/Bayerina, just 1 to 3 mins walk from Harbour Bay ferry terminal. Nearest mall is Bayfront Mall and Harbour Bay Mall, also plenty of 24 hours retail mart in the area too, but becos its a ferry terminal, things can be quite expensive there.

3. Aston Hotel and Residence, 35 mins walk from Harbour Bay ferry terminal and beside BCS Mall. Aston is near to Penuin area, so i need not elaborate much and its almost brand new,fully built and furbished. Lots of good food in the area as well.

(Both Aston and Harbour Bay Residence is technically 2nd most expensive in Batam; i am comparing studio to studio at around S$80k plus minus)

4. Nagoya Mansion, about 30 mins walk from Harbour Bay Ferry terminal. This one is a pretty old block, use to be higher in price, now drop to be about 400 juta (plus minus for studio),hehehe...and they fetch an about S$500/month rental.

5. BCC hotel and residence near BCS mall. This one is pretty well-maintained (their rooms and amenities) and still at rather high selling price. Thats becos of their location at Penuin area and its still relative new.

All number 1 to number 5 estate has been fully built, except Citra Plaza thats opposite Formosa Residence.

28 square meter unit is about the side of a regular Formosa Deluxe room,inclusive of its toilet.

https://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27193/271939074bcfc147ed8fbdc7b851c6db39fdb0ca.jpg

And a 56 square meter unit would be the size of a Formosa Executive room or twice Deluxe room size.

davidlah

29-03-2019, 03:16 PM

Great points...but owning a property is really depends...I will only invest in big cities

buy for living will be simpler...just ensure due diligence...:)

It all depends on your age, and if you have children. Do you need to pass the property to your children. Also would it be a hassle for them with such overseas properties as compared to singapore properties that is rented out to fund your rent in batam or elsewhere in thailand or vietnam.

Secondly,who can guarateed that it can be sold in the future.

Thirdly, who can tell if one will be bored with batam girls and change taste to thai girls or vietnamese girls or philippine girls. Having Singapore properties to rent out to fund rental in other countries make it easier to change locations when one is already bored with an old place. Also if political situation changes as well and need to run away. E.g 1998 anti chinese riots in Indonesia.

I think, one of the best way to make decision is to talk to those who have bought properties overseas (where you intend to buy) and stayed sometimes, or eventually sold the properties. Their experience and opinions are gold.

Hurricane88

29-03-2019, 03:34 PM

It all depends on your age, and if you have children. Do you need to pass the property to your children. Also would it be a hassle for them with such overseas properties as compared to singapore properties that is rented out to fund your rent in batam or elsewhere in thailand or vietnam.

Secondly,who can guarateed that it can be sold in the future.

Thirdly, who can tell if one will be bored with batam girls and change taste to thai girls or vietnamese girls or philippine girls. Having Singapore properties to rent out to fund rental in other countries make it easier to change locations when one is already bored with an old place. Also if political situation changes as well and need to run away. E.g 1998 anti chinese riots in Indonesia.

I think, one of the best way to make decision is to talk to those who have bought properties overseas (where you intend to buy) and stayed sometimes, or eventually sold the properties. Their experience and opinions are gold.

Good that you given a good thought...:)

all your above concerns are weighed and not to divulge too much details personally...:)

if one had liquidated 15 condos in Singapore at peak 2013 prices...why do we invest in Singapore properties now...:)

I dun believe in holding cash...so I will turn the cash into something hard such as properties, ect...:)

once you invest in overseas all the above already answered..:)

I told my kids I give you fishing rods and not fishes...you fish after you possessed the fishing rods...dun come to me for anymore fishes...:)

davidlah

29-03-2019, 03:46 PM

Hurricane88

29-03-2019, 04:12 PM

Last thought..

Hopefully all of us will have the physical and mental capacity to enjoy women till we are in our seventies. When eighties struck, are we really going to rely on indonesia or vietnamese or phillipine medical care, since we already sold all singapore properties. Should we make our children visit us in indon hospital or would our ceweks willing to take care of us instead?

While living and building up overseas properties is possible (with the intention of living it up cheaply and better supply of young and pretty ladies). Remembering one own age, especially those already hitting 60 and abv is also important. Your strength diminish a lot once you pass sixty.

Great thought again...:)

The city that I visited for a decade now, I knew every facilities including medical n dental clinics, pharmacy stores, hospital nearby, etc...:)

oops anything that is complicated, first flight home to Singapore and straight to A&E...:)

one thing I like to discuss cash...20 years ago if you have 500k cash can buy private condo...today if you have 500k cannot buy any condos...:)

if you own a condo which you paid 500k then easily you can sell 1mil or more....see what I mean why shouldn't hold cash...:)

Just look at JB city centre property...anyone of the condos worth 1 to 2mil ringgit...so if ringgit devalue, your property will go higher more than the currency devaluation...of course there is period to consider...idea is to buy 1 property sell buy 2 properties....sell 2 then buy 4....hopefully after selling 3...you get 1 free...:)

davidlah

29-03-2019, 04:25 PM

Great thought again...:)

The city that I visited for a decade now, I knew every facilities including medical n dental clinics, pharmacy stores, hospital nearby, etc...:)

So again, before living overseas, do own homework, check medical facilities, check legal concerns, check if you can take in local food and attitude. Better if you can speak the local language to communicate your needs. Also better if you know every nook and cornerof the city you are going to livein. And best still if you can take in third world living in messy infrastructure and dealing with corrupted officials.

If all sounds oke, you are good to go. If not, at least leave one small properties behind in Singapore, just in case.....

Meanwhile, stay strong, plenty of ceweks to enjoy. Cheers

Hurricane88

29-03-2019, 04:30 PM

So again, before living overseas, do own homework, check medical facilities, check legal concerns, check if you can take in local food and attitude. Better if you can speak the local language to communicate your needs. Also better if you know every nook and cornerof the city you are going to livein. And best still if you can take in third world living in messy infrastructure and dealing with corrupted officials.

If all sounds oke, you are good to go. If not, at least leave one small properties behind in Singapore, just in case.....

Meanwhile, stay strong, plenty of ceweks to enjoy. Cheers

Well said bro...there must be a reason why we kept going back to the same place...similar to Bro Nono love Batam...:)

davidlah

29-03-2019, 06:11 PM

Well said bro...there must be a reason why we kept going back to the same place...similar to Bro Nono love Batam...:)

Well as our batam bro said, to each his own, your money, your choice.

I lived in Jakarta for a couple of years, until my work brought me back to Singapore. And then I have a chance to go hcm city as well.

My strategy of keeping some rental properties in Singapore instead of Jakarta, helps me a lot to be mobile and adventurous. Using Singapore rental income, I can fund myself in any city. With that I realise there are things I have yet to discover and in so doing I also discover my own liking have changed with the passing time.

While I still enjoy Jakarta with all its open sex massage and spa. Plus the easy ceweks. Jakarta itself is not cheap.

I discover hcm city is cheaper if you have a local colleague to show you around. A local FJ in jakarta is abt Rp 300k while a local FJ in hcm is vnd 300k. Given that a vnd is two third of a rupiah vnd 300k is only rp200k. Same with bj at rp200k and vnd200k. For foreigner, again FJ at rp 1 million and vnd 1 million.

Also i discover i have a change of taste from indon brown skin to vietnam white snowy skin.

I have to admit though learning indon is easy and learning vietnamese is just painful.

But the point is being mobile has its advantages. While I can go to Batam to find ceweks, Batam quality is just much lower than jakarta. But hcm quality is excellent. So now I go between hcm and jakarta, although I still need to rely on my vietnamese colleague due to language barrier. But as said earlier, better to learn local language even if it is so painful to learn, because the rewards is high.

But then you need to be mobile. And having rental income from Singapore is being mobile.

Hurricane88

29-03-2019, 06:18 PM

Also i discover i have a change of taste from indon brown skin to vietnam white snowy skin.

I have to admit though learning indon is easy and learning vietnamese is just painful.

But the point is being mobile has its advantages. While I can go to Batam to find ceweks, Batam quality is just much lower than jakarta. But hcm quality is excellent. So now I go between hcm and jakarta, although I still need to rely on my vietnamese colleague due to language barrier. But as said earlier, better to learn local language even if it is so painful to learn, because the rewards is high.

But then you need to be mobile. And having rental income from Singapore is being mobile.

Well said...and I quote Nelson Mandela....:)

223438

In hcm, i go only local places...stay local neighbourhood, eat local food...I repeat same in all the Vietnam cities and provinces I visited...:)

hcm to me is home and not otherwise...:)

HeatguyAlvin

29-03-2019, 08:18 PM

If i am in Batam,depending on which part of April (as Shazam, Hellboy and Avenger 4 is coming out in different parts of the month), i am more likely to catch it in CGV Blitz theater at Park Avenue Mall on Velvet seatings,hehehe... or at the worst, Harbour Bay Blitz in their Sweet box seat. :p

wah i always watch at Harbour bay and you put here at least. sad liao

HeatguyAlvin

29-03-2019, 08:19 PM

Well said...and I quote Nelson Mandela....:)

223438

In hcm, i go only local places...stay local neighbourhood, eat local food...I repeat same in all the Vietnam cities and provinces I visited...:)

hcm to me is home and not otherwise...:)

hcmc is really a good place. :D

HeatguyAlvin

29-03-2019, 08:25 PM

Not that i know of,regarding any Batam hotels that DO NOT allow guest to bring girl/s into the room.

There is currently only ONE official 5 star hotel in Batam and that is Montigo Hotel resort, which is far far away from the cheonging area (Nagoya) in Batam. And so far, i have not seen or heard any guest being rejected entry becos they brought unlisted female guest/s into the room (villa).

(reminds me of a sex party there,hehehe...)

bro, without any disrespect. Montigo Resorts requires every guest to the room to be registered at the counter and that could be quite troublesome. (that is if you managed to not get caught by the hawk-eyed service staff which would check if you are registered. blah blah. kenna before so sharing :)

nono1973

29-03-2019, 08:26 PM

Hehehe...adding on to the list of hotels that provides 2 way transport :

Pacific Palace Hotel
https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27197/27197008c624a436b8b6f8d169b227e34f59e195.jpg

...and the list :

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=17937803&postcount=12019

Batam Mecure Hotel might have shut down, but i think they are far from bankrupting,hehehe...

https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27197/27197006ec2e35f5465c259e45e4f7f8aaf36789.jpg

New upcoming condos...AGAIN!!! :eek:

I doubt this one is at the previous Mercure hotel location tho.

Mercure Batam City Centre
Hotel & Convention Centre

https://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27197/271970078314d507beca6dd021d625536fd1494b.jpg

Batam developers are ambitious...hehehe... :D

nono1973

29-03-2019, 08:48 PM

Actually, if i do not mind staying around Batam Center, the one build by Indonesia ex president Habibie's Pollux Properties is quite unique too.

Laying their 1st brick on Oct 2015 and starting their 1st phase of 1 block of 50 floors, 2 blocks of 40 floors, 1 of 35 floors ,Mall and 53 units of shophouses,hehehe....

They call it "Meisterstadt"
https://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27194/27194402a3552b332cce373ba2c42d8c2bbfd8c9.jpg

There is going to be a 100 storey building for office tho,hehehe...

https://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27194/27194417c47697852fe650d377eae70f9521eddf.jpg

...and from the number 100 storey, it can over look Singapore's MBS...hehehe...

https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27194/27194418fe764221b0fc030b3d696eeb1bf0c5a7.jpg

...and it has currently almost done with 1st phase of 4 blocks...hehehe...

https://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27194/27194419c7b103c3661dc2aa2d977aa15573bef3.jpg

The above done is not their 100 storey office building,and i dont know how long they are going to take to finish the phases of blocks tho. People are talking about this building being even taller than the Singapore taller's building Tanjong Pagar Center (thats if they made it). Also, one would be able to see the 100 storey building from Singapore Merlion Park. :D

Many times i pass by this Meisterstadt apartment whenever i am in Batam, in fact i was in Batam during their launch in Oct 2015,hehehe...and better still, their apartments were more than 50% lesser as compare to Formosa Residence (formosa is close to S$100k, comparing studio to studio).

Just too bad, this place is in Batam center area...*sob*...not in Nagoya area,hehehe...i dont have anyone in Singapore or foresee myself bringing anyone to Singapore's Merlion Park and then point to this "Meisterstadt Apartment block" and said to them...

"Hey! Thats one of my home you see out there!" :D
(standing from Singapore but pointing at Meisterstadt apartment)

Oxley is one of the big named developer in Batam, becos they were a public listed company in Singapore. And Pollux Habibie is the next bigger name,hehehe...but i guess nobody would understand why i only mention this name until now.

Thats becos i already almost know what i am looking for in Batam. And Batam Center area is just not my choice...at the least, not for now.

I owned some estates in Singapore, i could use my yield collected in Singapore to pay for a few Batam apartment units that is on 0% interest (36 months to 48 months from developer/s), rent it out later to collect rental yield (since on a later date, i am likely to be around physically more in Batam than in Singapore). No matter how, its still better than the 6% interest in my CPF,hehehe...and to play things a bit more safer, i will ONLY jump into those 0% installment plans ONLY WHEN i do have the physically hard cash to pay them in full in my bank account (i dont like to owe bank/anyone money).

As for selling? No, i dont have plans to sell any of them,at least not when i am physically alive. Inheritance to my next-of-kin? No, i dont plan to allow anyone to inherit them. Every asset oversea goes to charity to that country upon my death (the word "Every" here is a strong word).

My own BIG Plan,hehehe...

1. Making sure my asset's yield in Singapore can cover my expenses in Batam. I have been talking about this since the 1st day i am in Batam (refer to my 1st few summaries), about allowing Batam (not Singapore) to pay for Batam itself (thats like about 5 years ago?). Sustainable cheonging,hehehe...remember?

At my later time when i were to add in my Singapore's assets, i should have more than enough,ultimately still trying to let batam pay for batam but this time,its for my female caretakers aka butler. :p

2. Making sure i have enough saving from Singapore to splurge (minus those Batam property thingy mentioned in the thread),hehehe...whatever i cant spend finish dont belongs to me anymore when i pass on ,right?

3. Making sure i can be healthy (i will touch on this one on a later time,becos my current low paying job today involve medical healthcare,hehehe..),live a longer good life and hopefully pass on later with dignity.

Facing death itself isnt scary, the process of it....is.

4. Making sure i can reach medical help within an hour (hopefully so, if not 2 hours or any shortest possible time). This is something which i am working on,even tho Batam is just 50 mins away from Singapore,hehehe...but travelling from Batam to Singapore is NOT 24 hours. So i better dont have any emergency from 9pm to 7pm (SG time). And i am quite surprise Batam actually have 8 hospitals. :eek:

i am quite clear about what i am looking for. Batam is Batam, Singapore is Singapore. I dont really mix them up (or mash both)...something like 狡兔三窟,hehehe...like i often have plan B or plan C as back up. Again,thats the usual me, myself and i, as you have read (if anyone did,hehehe..).

To live like a Chicken head (in Batam) or to live like a Phoenix's butt (in Singapore)... 鸡头还是凤尾，如果是你，你会如何选择？

My choice is obvious....

PrcLust

29-03-2019, 10:29 PM

Deleted post.

Black Page

30-03-2019, 01:27 AM

I hope to never see Batam becoming like in those photos... Scary! :eek:

Sustainable cheonging,hehehe...remember?
A possibility is to prostitute himself with older ladies, to make money to spend for the service of younger girls.

This is a self-sustained business, provided that the input and output financial flows are equated:

Po*No*So = Py*Ny*Sy

where Po is the price for a shot with old lady (input money), No is the number of old ladies bedded per week, So is the average number of shots per old lady , Py is the price for a shot with young girl (output money), No is the number of young ladies bedded per week, Sy is the average number of shots per young lady.

The equation is verified, and the business self-sustains, by regulating the six parameters according to the personal attractivity and performance of the entrepreneur. Six degrees of freedom, yet with some bounds, allow a lot of flexibility in arranging this business.

Black Page

30-03-2019, 01:34 AM

bro, without any disrespect. Montigo Resorts requires every guest to the room to be registered at the counter and that could be quite troublesome. (that is if you managed to not get caught by the hawk-eyed service staff which would check if you are registered. blah blah. kenna before so sharing :)
At Formosa, nobody questioned me the night I returned from Newton with a group of 4 noisy drunk young girls. What a night! :p
(Yes, it happened only once in my life)

nitecrawllerr

30-03-2019, 01:19 PM

At Formosa, nobody questioned me the night I returned from Newton with a group of 4 noisy drunk young girls. What a night! :p
(Yes, it happened only once in my life)

Formosa, one of the many popular love nest in Batam. Like H89:D So security or otherwise...one eye closed.:D

dromad68

30-03-2019, 05:17 PM

Is Lucy’s Oar House still running? Where is it?

milfmilf

30-03-2019, 08:19 PM

Change money at people park
10460

dromad68

31-03-2019, 02:12 AM

Wow! It’s only 10,300 in Batam.

Change money at people park
10460

HeatguyAlvin

31-03-2019, 02:49 AM

Is Lucy’s Oar House still running? Where is it?

last i went it is still running in NED, close to harmoni hotel the area. but looks like it's closed liao

dromad68

31-03-2019, 11:27 AM

Yup, dead and gone.

last i went it is still running in NED, close to harmoni hotel the area. but looks like it's closed liao

Hinerange

31-03-2019, 04:47 PM

Anyone in Batam today and tomorrow?

gjlow

31-03-2019, 05:08 PM

Confirmed closed Liao

last i went it is still running in NED, close to harmoni hotel the area. but looks like it's closed liao

Black Page

31-03-2019, 07:09 PM

Yup, dead and gone.

I went ONCE many years ago and I never went back. Nothing to be missed, from my personal perspective.

dromad68

31-03-2019, 08:58 PM

It’s like Keong Saik. The pubs in NED are quite pathetic. I’m sitting in Cock and Bull as I write this. I went three rounds and peek into the bars as I walk past. Must say it’s quite disappointing. And it’s Sunday! I think only a very small handful are still good: NoName, F1, Foreplay.

The massage places are also terribly run down. Went to Hallo Kitty massage earlier: the floor was super duper slippery from the oil, I didn’t dare to move much in the bathtub.

Can’t help comparing with NEP and Soi Cowboy and the massage places in BKK.

The shopping is great though.

I went ONCE many years ago and I never went back. Nothing to be missed, from my personal perspective.

BFOMF5

31-03-2019, 10:08 PM

Keep me posted. I am looking to buy those expiring on June. Almost can confirm some friends will be coming over,hehehe...and i plan to sell them those tickets at S$48.00,hehehe... :D

If they have July tickets,even better.
Jun ticket out. :)
https://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27199/27199501f8bd7e69752e5f52ad751452d78cbd83.png

Leoric

01-04-2019, 12:25 AM

Jun ticket out...

Good price! At 375000 with the 10500/sgd exchange rate last thurday/friday in batam,ticket were only $35.72 :D

Bro nono & some of his pig friends,dog bros beo quite long already... :D

Up yr pts for a good share.

Black Page

01-04-2019, 12:37 AM

Can’t help comparing with NEP and Soi Cowboy and the massage places in BKK.
:eek: Anyone going to Batam thinking to find another Bangkok is completely out of reality!

I go to Batam for never less than 5 days, usually 8D7N, and I fuck 1 or 2 girls per day. The limit is my physical capacity, not the environment supply.
Batam is like a candy shop for me. The opportunities to find girls are endless.

Yet, the NED is the last place where I would go to spend my time.
The only exception was No Name, which was one of my favourite places, but in the last 2 years it went terribly down.

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 01:33 AM

It’s like Keong Saik. The pubs in NED are quite pathetic. I’m sitting in Cock and Bull as I write this. I went three rounds and peek into the bars as I walk past. Must say it’s quite disappointing. And it’s Sunday! I think only a very small handful are still good: NoName, F1, Foreplay.

The massage places are also terribly run down. Went to Hallo Kitty massage earlier: the floor was super duper slippery from the oil, I didn’t dare to move much in the bathtub.

Can’t help comparing with NEP and Soi Cowboy and the massage places in BKK.

The shopping is great though.

like i said lor go batam must go without expectations de. you start comparing with the other playgrounds. then batam is fairly disappointing. :)

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 01:34 AM

Jun ticket out.pm me for locations. :)
https://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27199/27199501f8bd7e69752e5f52ad751452d78cbd83.png

anyone tried the 4G Unlimited Mobile Wifi
for use in Batam for SGD 8.5 / day provided by horizon fast ferry?

is it any good?

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 01:35 AM

:eek: Anyone going to Batam thinking to find another Bangkok is completely out of reality!

I go to Batam for never less than 5 days, usually 8D7N, and I fuck 1 or 2 girls per day. The limit is my physical capacity, not the environment supply.
Batam is like a candy shop for me. The opportunities to find girls are endless.

Yet, the NED is the last place where I would go to spend my time.
The only exception was No Name, which was one of my favourite places, but in the last 2 years it went terribly down.

Noname still the best tho. go pacific is some shake head club :rolleyes:

Black Page

01-04-2019, 06:18 AM

Noname still the best tho. go pacific is some shake head club :rolleyes:

Search my past reports mentioning No Name in the last two years.
Regrettably, it's DEAD. The times that Friday and Saturday were full of lonely ladies happy to meet a man for the night are GONE.
Now, only few old veteran PRs (working girls).
https://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=17963240&postcount=11989

PS: Few months ago Pacific was closed for good! Gone, regrettably. Did it reopen, or your memories are dated and are from some years ago?

dromad68

01-04-2019, 09:00 AM

Will take a look at the booking joints today. It seems that wechat n badoo are still a better way to meet girls

milfmilf

01-04-2019, 09:25 AM

https://pixator.org/images/2018/10/18/a000.png

very central location :D

tutu_kid

01-04-2019, 10:43 AM

Hi guys
Will the farm be open during the election period cause i heard there is one on 17 april . thanks

nono1973

01-04-2019, 10:52 AM

wah i always watch at Harbour bay and you put here at least. sad liao

Sorry, i dont get your question/s? :confused:

...Montigo Resorts requires every guest to the room to be registered at the counter and that could be quite troublesome. (that is if you managed to not get caught by the hawk-eyed service staff which would check if you are registered. blah blah. kenna before so sharing :)

The last time i was there (nearly about 3 years ago), no one checks on me and my girls. There were like nearly 20 of us, and more than 10 were girls. I am not sure if they were checked tho (i will ask them the next time i see them).

Perhaps the time you were there and the time i was there were on different parts of the year.

nono1973

01-04-2019, 10:53 AM

I think, one of the best way to make decision is to talk to those who have bought properties overseas (where you intend to buy) and stayed sometimes, or eventually sold the properties. Their experience and opinions are gold.

Sincerely thank you for sharing.

I dun believe in holding cash...so I will turn the cash into something hard such as properties, ect...

Turning cash to properties is a good choice, but how fast would one be able to switch their property back into cash is another issue altogether. It really depends on many factors, eg. Age, Savings, Purpose of purchase etc.

In the case of Batam, i do not have plans to sell nor to make money out of it hence i dont see i would need to use what i bought in Batam for emergency needs as my reserves were in my Singapore assets.

I told my kids I give you fishing rods and not fishes...you fish after you possessed the fishing rods...dun come to me for anymore fishes...:)

This one sounds familiar to me. I have been hearing a lot of this since a very long time ago,hehehe...

So again, before living overseas, do own homework, check medical facilities, check legal concerns, check if you can take in local food and attitude. Better if you can speak the local language to communicate your needs. Also better if you know every nook and cornerof the city you are going to livein. And best still if you can take in third world living in messy infrastructure and dealing with corrupted officials.

If all sounds oke, you are good to go. If not, at least leave one small properties behind in Singapore, just in case.....

Good advise, and i completely agreed with it.

I agreed becos i am already at it before you said it all. Still, i wouldnt have spell it out better in a post, hence i thank you.

Well said bro...there must be a reason why we kept going back to the same place...similar to Bro Nono love Batam...:)

Hehehe...i started off (1st visit to Batam) with my wish to leave Singapore during CNY every single year hence i started recce-ing Batam (following my uncle's footstep who resides in Tanjong Pinang today). Initially i wish to go to HCM (if you still remember) but well, after reading about HCM during CNY, and it being a longer distance away, i drop the idea.

A year or 2 later as i age, retirement comes to mind. Followed by sustainability ,and then planning a longer term stay on the island. My summaries, the guides, Food list, Batam Info vault...all evolve around that Big Plan (https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18518616&postcount=13307),hehehe...which i might later call it, my final destination.

Just sharing...

nono1973

01-04-2019, 11:41 AM

I hope to never see Batam becoming like in those photos... Scary! :eek:

Same here, i hope for Batam's improvement but not into cities like Singapore. To me, it "soul" of Batam itself is gone once they turned that way. Will life improve for the people of Indonesia Batam if they turned into another like of Singapore? I highly doubt so..

To me, Batam is like 15 to 20 years of Singapore (maybe even further). Its more like living in the 90s in Singapore.

nono1973

01-04-2019, 11:42 AM

Change money at people park
10460

Sounds like a pretty good deal on posted date, may i ask for the date you exchange and the location of the shop? I work in that area, hence if rates were good at that certain shop, i can drop by there often before i head to Batam. :)

Thank you.

nono1973

01-04-2019, 11:59 AM

anyone tried the 4G Unlimited Mobile Wifi
for use in Batam for SGD 8.5 / day provided by horizon fast ferry?

S$8.50? I thought i saw just outside Harbour Bay Ferry terminal (arrival hall), shops were selling sim cards at 50k rupiah a day for unlimited usage (i cant really remember if its unlimited tho) but definitely for a day usage only. Most people travel to Batam for at least 2D1N, so i think its like not wise to pay the S$17 deal offered by Horizon Ferry.

So for those who didnt know and/or only those who dont frequent Batam often might try this offer from Horizon tho.

I used a usb mobile routing wifi (Smartfren Andromax/Telkomsel Airtel with 50k/60k top up a month) and/or a 100k rupiah sim card for data that last one month tho.

AndroMax :

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=16937227&highlight=andromax#post16937227

Telkomsel Airtel :

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18291968&highlight=andromax#post18291968

That is of course, when i am travelling to Batam on a regular basis. Can be use together with 99 other person, if i dont remember wrong,hehehe...

The one that cost S$8.50/day by Horizon, i think their targeted customers were for 1st time Batam travelers or those who dont travel to Batam regularly.

nono1973

01-04-2019, 12:01 PM

Jun ticket out. :)

I shall call upon when i reach Batam this month (April),hehehe...

Good price! At 375000 with the 10500/sgd exchange rate last thurday/friday in batam,ticket were only $35.72 :D

Bro nono & some of his pig friends,dog bros beo quite long already... :D

Its definitely a good deal. Any price S$40 and below is a good deal for Horizon ferry ticket is a good deal,i understand that those orange tickets would come easy and offer wont last for long, hence i am also thinking of slowly converting the orange ticket to the white/blue original ones,hehehe...meaning iam planning on converting expiring 30th June 2019 expiring tickets to those expiring 2020. ;)

Think far...think ahead,hehehe... just a small thought and working on it.

nono1973

01-04-2019, 12:08 PM

Well said...and I quote Nelson Mandela....:)

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Nelson Mandela's quote reminds me of the words on my signature which i set to remind myself...

The Batam Food List
(Updated on Jan 2016) (http://bit.do/eAarZ)

Beginner's Guide for 1st Time Batam Visitor (http://bit.do/eAaqU)

https://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27196/2719672351272660450c2e3ec45bc81d1c6457c1.jpg

Some Batam Basic Info Update
(up till Dec 2018) (http://bit.do/eCtp9)

向善天不欺，作恶天不赦

Batam Places to avoid :
Morena series of joints,Delta Spa & MM

My latest 40th Batam Trip Summary
(for June 2017) (http://bit.do/eAatc)
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"Tell me and i forget, show me and i remember, involve me and i understand."

...and what i have learned from the quotes.

1. I try my best not to forget when people tells (or teach) me

2. I try to remember when people puts in effort to show me

3. I get involve so that i can understand better and put them on practice

I uses the above points in my Batam properties info search. The words on my signature werent just for my easy reference,its also meant as a reminder to myself.

In hcm, i go only local places...stay local neighbourhood, eat local food...I repeat same in all the Vietnam cities and provinces I visited...:)

hcm to me is home and not otherwise...:)

There is another good option in Batam, thats Go-Food...hehehe...they deliver Indonesia local food right to my door step. :D

Do they have something like that in HCMC too? Whereby good tasting local food can be called in to room...

Hurricane88

01-04-2019, 12:13 PM

Nelson Mandela's quote reminds me of the words on my signature which i set to remind myself...

"Tell me and i forget, show me and i remember, involve me and i understand."

...and what i have learned from the quotes.

1. I try my best not to forget when people tells (or teach) me

2. I try to remember when people puts in effort to show me

3. I get involve so that i can understand better and put them on practice

I uses the above points in my Batam properties info search. The words on my signature werent just for my easy reference,its also meant as a reminder to myself.

Good but Nelson Mandela quote is all about speaking their languages...meaning in Thailand speak thai, in Vietnam speak vietnamese, in Indon speak bahasa Indon....:)

There is another good option in Batam, thats Go-Food...hehehe...they deliver Indonesia local food right to my door step. :D

Do they have something like that in HCMC too?

yes...hcm have Grab food and Deliveroo...also foody Vn apps allow delivery with cost...:)

nono1973

01-04-2019, 01:20 PM

My Big plan :

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18518616&postcount=13307

...and explaining it a little further...

My own BIG Plan,hehehe...

1. Making sure my asset's yield in Singapore can cover my expenses in Batam. I have been talking about this since the 1st day i am in Batam (refer to my 1st few summaries), about allowing Batam (not Singapore) to pay for Batam itself (thats like about 5 years ago?). Sustainable cheonging,hehehe...remember?

Batam isnt as expensive as most would think (comparing with Singapore of course) if one truly knows the way around. Living in Batam and its sustainability can easily be achieved with some simple buying and selling (at least for now,it is). I am talking about living expenses, ferry tickets, hotels, girls etc etc...

1. Ferry tickets : I buy and sell "stuffs" to buy my ferry tickets (now i have new ways to trade ferry tickets, orange to blue ones,hehehe..cheap ones for the expensive version)

2. Hotels : I plan to buy a permanent place to stay in so i dont have to pay for hotel after losing my current job which pays for it. Jobs are afterall jobs, they arent gonna last forever.

3. Girls : I guess the few extra units of rental yield (from batam) should cover that part. The girls can also help me work on things that helps me earn money w/o the need to sell their body to other men to make a living too, eg. Help me sell electronic stuffs online in Indonesia platform a bit a time? etc etc..

Now,what do i do with my "extras" from my Singapore assets?

Read on...

(they were meant for bigger things...)

At my later time when i were to add in my Singapore's assets, i should have more than enough,ultimately still trying to let batam pay for batam but this time,its for my female caretakers aka butler. :p

I guess by the time my plan is fully executed, i wont be as young as i am today. I probably need someone to move me around,do the cooking, clean and maintain my units etc? (ok,its a bit exaggerating here but i am counting on "what if..")

2. Making sure i have enough saving from Singapore to splurge (minus those Batam property thingy mentioned in the thread),hehehe...whatever i cant spend finish dont belongs to me anymore when i pass on ,right?

This is where the Singapore asset's extras step in. I dont wish to stinge anymore at the remaining of my life... (i have been stingy all these time, remember?)

3. Making sure i can be healthy (i will touch on this one on a later time,becos my current low paying job today involve medical healthcare,hehehe..),live a longer good life and hopefully pass on later with dignity.

Facing death itself isnt scary, the process of it....is.

I deal with quite a bit on TCM in my current job. They might have pay me much lesser than my previous few jobs, but the good part of it is, i have lots of spare time, i learned a lot and the most important of it all, there's barely any stress (the only stress time is when the boss comes to office once a month). And i get paid for practically dropping into SBF to type super long essay postssss....,hehehe... yes,when it comes to job scope wise, i am a little bit over qualified for my current work hence less stress.Those who knew me in person well enough will know i got plenty of annual leave,medical leave, holidays etc etc and many things i pay for in Batam can be reimburse. Job benefits,hehehe...

My current job however help me learn a lot about staying healthy. I dealt with the like of diabetes patients, stroke patients etc, even some HIV patients,and people whom the doctors says wont live longer than a X number of months and i witness them (in person) living way beyond what the doctors claimed,hehehe...sometime i think i am some kind of life-extender for the dying (i am in fact not).

So, the rest of the time when i am still alive after leaving my current job, i plan to use this knowledge i learned to keep myself living as healthy as possible and hopefully can live a longer fruitful life. And eventually pass on with some dignity.

Note : I also wish to do some good work (good deeds) in Batam too. I understand S$10 probably couldnt feed some people living in first world countries a meal a day, but the same amount could possibly feed most in the 3rd world 2 meals a day for a few days. (S$10 mention here were just illustration amount)

Retirement isnt about doing nothing...its more about doing something i enjoyed doing, hopefully it cost nothing or if any possible, can earn a little bit out of it (just for the achievement).

4. Making sure i can reach medical help within an hour (hopefully so, if not 2 hours or any shortest possible time). This is something which i am working on,even tho Batam is just 50 mins away from Singapore,hehehe...but travelling from Batam to Singapore is NOT 24 hours. So i better dont have any emergency from 9pm to 7pm (SG time). And i am quite surprise Batam actually have 8 hospitals. :eek:

Batam's best hospital, Awal Bross Hospital is located in Batam Center.

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It is just nearby the Jam intersection (Simpang Jam). If you are from Batam Center Sea Port, you just need around 7 (seven) minutes to reach this hospital by car or motor bike. Although this hospital is still new, but it does not mean that this hospital can not compete with other hospitals in Batam. According to some of my friends that I asked their opinion about this hospital a few days ago, Awal Bross is one of the best hospitals in Batam which has complete and modern medical equipments or facilities. Many medical doctors who work at this hospital are from overseas especially from Singapore. All the patients here are treated well by the doctors and the nurses as well. It can be proved that many people come to this hospital for medical check up or to recuperate them. However high medical treatment cost will not be a big problem for all patients who choose this hospital.

Now, this is where part of my extras from my Singapore assets comes to play as mention in number 1.

Now,what do i do with my those "extras" from my Singapore assets?

Read on...

Hospital bill is going to be a bomb,hehehe...then again no matter how, it would still be cheaper as compare to Singapore. But regardless how less expensive it is, an insurance is still needed hence i will need to look for insurance companies that covers my hospital bill/s in Batam and as well as emergency medical evacuation (to Singapore Hospital).

And what type/s of Emergency Medical Evacuation i am talking here, i guess those who knew me in person will know. There are actually 2 kinds...via speed boat or...the higher end method...helicopter (if anyone remember Samat,the Singapore security guard case; i learned a lesson there).

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Of course, air borne medical evacuation gonna cost a big bomb (we are talking on S$10k upward just to bring me to a Singapore hospital), but its mainly for emergency,my last option and hopefully i do not need to use that. Let's also not forget i cant get to Singapore fast from 9pm to 7am as there wont be ferry to take at those hours.

Side note : Travelling by helicopter from Singapore to Batam and vice versa takes about 15 mins. Medical helicopter and leisure helicopter pricing is a big difference in pricing. Medical helicopter requires some medical equipment on air whereas leisure helicopter do not. Leisure helicopter ,one way from Batam to Singapore cost about S$2500 and up (base on enquiry) at Hang Nadim.

All in all, the above would likely eats up most of what my Singapore assets would brings me hence i said, Batam assets is meant for Batam, Singapore ones were for "emergency" or "bad luck". I dont mix both side up.

A millionaire once told me, in Singapore he's just a high class beggar...in other 3rd world countries, he is being treated like some King. ;)

i said, with enough money, any part of the world would be Heaven. :D

A small step a time, i will work on it...

(Insurance per year isnt cheap...and as i age,its gonna cost way more. :( )

I am no rich guy, hence i need to plan all of the above and taking those steps on my own. If i am a rich, i will probably just send someone "my big plan" and have him/her settle them for me,hehehe...

Did i miss out anything? I hope not...and if anyone is replying to my post, please do not quote it whole (its against forum rules to quote whole post, especially very long ones). Thank you.

Leoric

01-04-2019, 02:16 PM

Hi guys
Will the farm be open during the election period cause i heard there is one on 17 april . thanks

I don't think anyone would be 100% sure about the answer to your question (i can't either) but during the last Presidential election during 2014 July, overnite booking joints were open for business as usual.

Most booking girls i knew in Indonesia were more interested in making a living than heading back to hometown for election. :D

Air tickets not cheap.

milfmilf

01-04-2019, 04:07 PM

Sounds like a pretty good deal on posted date, may i ask for the date you exchange and the location of the shop? I work in that area, hence if rates were good at that certain shop, i can drop by there often before i head to Batam. :)

Thank you.

last sat.
That people park with the mrt exit to OG.
Inside a few aneh shop
Some 10400 some 10460
Seems common cos on fri, similar price at bedok.

tutu_kid

01-04-2019, 04:35 PM

I don't think anyone would be 100% sure about the answer to your question (i can't either) but during the last Presidential election during 2014 July, overnite booking joints were open for business as usual.

Most booking girls i knew in Indonesia were more interested in making a living than heading back to hometown for election. :D

Air tickets not cheap.

Thanks bro for ur info..

dromad68

01-04-2019, 07:08 PM

Just visited Sri Kandy near Hotel Utama, Romance Hotel and DC Mall area. Finally, a place with some life. The receptionist/mami(?) was very attractive and demure. She pressed the horn button to summon the troops to the viewing area. But I was just passing by. Should have asked for her name.

Naka_Timo

01-04-2019, 09:33 PM

https://pixator.org/images/2018/10/18/a000.png

very central location :D

Now renovated and so nice already this hotel.

BFOMF5

01-04-2019, 10:22 PM

https://pixator.org/images/2018/10/18/a000.png
very central location :D
also very high chances to bump into your neighbour aunties/uncles that join batam budget 2days 1 night shoping package.:D

Superpork

01-04-2019, 10:29 PM

Bro Nono,

Your posts are really eye/ mind opening man. If ever got chance to meet up in Batam, I want to buy you kopi.

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 11:32 PM

Search my past reports mentioning No Name in the last two years.
Regrettably, it's DEAD. The times that Friday and Saturday were full of lonely ladies happy to meet a man for the night are GONE.
Now, only few old veteran PRs (working girls).
https://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=17963240&postcount=11989

PS: Few months ago Pacific was closed for good! Gone, regrettably. Did it reopen, or your memories are dated and are from some years ago?

chill chill. why so angst. :confused: just reminiscing the past :). I was replying to your post where you said last time Noname is the only place you would go. so rewind abit.

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 11:33 PM

At Formosa, nobody questioned me the night I returned from Newton with a group of 4 noisy drunk young girls. What a night! :p
(Yes, it happened only once in my life)

that's really awesome tho! :rolleyes: can imagine a good night :)

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 11:38 PM

S$8.50? I thought i saw just outside Harbour Bay Ferry terminal (arrival hall), shops were selling sim cards at 50k rupiah a day for unlimited usage (i cant really remember if its unlimited tho) but definitely for a day usage only. Most people travel to Batam for at least 2D1N, so i think its like not wise to pay the S$17 deal offered by Horizon Ferry.

So for those who didnt know and/or only those who dont frequent Batam often might try this offer from Horizon tho.

I used a usb mobile routing wifi (Smartfren Andromax/Telkomsel Airtel with 50k/60k top up a month) and/or a 100k rupiah sim card for data that last one month tho.

AndroMax :

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=16937227&highlight=andromax#post16937227

Telkomsel Airtel :

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18291968&highlight=andromax#post18291968

That is of course, when i am travelling to Batam on a regular basis. Can be use together with 99 other person, if i dont remember wrong,hehehe...

The one that cost S$8.50/day by Horizon, i think their targeted customers were for 1st time Batam travelers or those who dont travel to Batam regularly.

i know of those sim card shops, but as I'm planning a trip soon. just wondering if anyone tried those are how good they are. considering i do not have a mobile wifi router and they said that the device can connect up to 6. hmmmm

HeatguyAlvin

01-04-2019, 11:43 PM

The last time i was there (nearly about 3 years ago), no one checks on me and my girls. There were like nearly 20 of us, and more than 10 were girls. I am not sure if they were checked tho (i will ask them the next time i see them).

Perhaps the time you were there and the time i was there were on different parts of the year.

nowadays got more families during the weekends, so i guess they are more tight when it comes to this. not sure if the system applies for weekday bros tho. :) but yes, the villas are huge and the possibilities are endless :D could have some real great fun in those.

one small tip is. if you do stay at Montigo Resorts frequently, book under the same name and the Resident Manager actually records your frequency of stay and treats you better. Like every hotel, they will attach a VIP code to you and offer you some privileges like late checkout or even express queue to check in. it's quite good actually.

leekwantew

02-04-2019, 12:01 AM

Hey All

I'll be going over on Tuesday, have a few questions about the charges of Alishan KTV

1) What is the sitting fee and duration
2) Whats the rough market rate for tips?
3) Whats the min drink spending?

I just wanna get a girl (or 2), sit in the room, drink as little as possible and hopefully get them topless and kiss kiss touch touch

TIA for the helps :)

Black Page

02-04-2019, 02:02 AM

chill chill. why so angst. :confused: just reminiscing the past :). I was replying to your post where you said last time Noname is the only place you would go. so rewind abit.

I did not intend to be harsh against you, but just pointing out the sad situation of today with Pacific and No Name.

liljamz

02-04-2019, 02:27 AM

hi bros. is there any specific places to book girls overnight? or which booking joints are the better ones. i usually get FL through wechat but decided to try out booking joints to see if theres any difference in price

BFOMF5

02-04-2019, 05:20 AM

Just consolated with my Balai 18-21 March 19 sight seeing write up...
Here's the link in balai tread

Foot print on map
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18495927&highlight=#post18495927

Day 1
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18506187&highlight=#post18506187

Day 2
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18510595&highlight=#post18510595

Day .2.2
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18513990&highlight=#post18513990

Day .2.3
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18513991&highlight=#post18513991

Day .2.4.
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18513997&highlight=#post18513997

Day 3
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18520107&highlight=#post18520107

Day 3 .2
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18521508&highlight=#post18521508

Day 3.3
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18525455&highlight=#post18525455

Day.4
https://sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?p=18527499&highlight=#post18527499

nitecrawllerr

02-04-2019, 10:35 AM

bro, without any disrespect. Montigo Resorts requires every guest to the room to be registered at the counter and that could be quite troublesome. (that is if you managed to not get caught by the hawk-eyed service staff which would check if you are registered. blah blah. kenna before so sharing :)

If i book a cewek. I bring her along with me. Both register at counter. No problem right?

nono1973

02-04-2019, 01:37 PM

Good but Nelson Mandela quote is all about speaking their languages...meaning in Thailand speak thai, in Vietnam speak vietnamese, in Indon speak bahasa Indon....

You understand Nelson's words from the 1st part on speaking the native language, i understand from the 2nd part whereby some words would go into someone's head and some words would go into his/her heart. Tell me in whatever language or show me w/o a same/simlar language, it probably goes into only into my head.

But if i am physically involve, understanding the language (or not) or if i speak the person's language (or not), it definitely goes into my heart. ;)

yes...hcm have Grab food and Deliveroo...also foody Vn apps allow delivery with cost...:)

Is it expensive?

Expensive as in is like Singapore ,whereby the delivery cost can cost as high as the food ordered. Example, i order a S$3.50 chicken rice in Singapore, delivery charge is S$3.

Whereas i order a pack of chicken rice in Batam at 18k rupiah, total cost after the chicken rice reach me is 23k/25k rupiah . Cost of the delivery is at 5k/7k rupiah or so.

I ask the question out of curiosity only,hehehe..

nono1973

02-04-2019, 01:40 PM

Most booking girls i knew in Indonesia were more interested in making a living than heading back to hometown for election. :D

Air tickets not cheap.

Yes, air ticket isnt cheap nowaday,especially during the current election period and after which, its close by to Ramadan which starts around 5th May 2019 and later follow by Hari Raya on June.

last sat.
That people park with the mrt exit to OG.
Inside a few aneh shop
Some 10400 some 10460
Seems common cos on fri, similar price at bedok.

Thank you for the information.

Shall go there recce later,hehehe...

The reason why i ask becos nowaday i rarely goes to Formosa,and mostly reside around BCS area, and the exchange rate at BCS area and Harbour Bay is serious bad. So getting a good rate in Singapore before i step into Batam is another good option.

(doesnt make sense to take a taxi to Batam Center or Formosa area just to change money)

Cheers!

nono1973

02-04-2019, 01:43 PM

I'll be going over on Tuesday, have a few questions about the charges of Alishan KTV

1) What is the sitting fee and duration

It should be between 300k to 400k rupiah for the whole night through and girl/s wont butterfly around.

2) Whats the rough market rate for tips?

Not too sure on that today but should be around say, 300k rupiah? (its up to individual)

The last time i was there few years back was around 250k rupiah tho,even got friend (who's those not-so-touchy kind) tip 200k rupiah too.

3) Whats the min drink spending?

If i dont remember wrong, spend 1 juta small room is free,hehehe... :D

Their small room base on Singapore standard is quite big actually, and come with a in-room toilet too.

I just wanna get a girl (or 2), sit in the room, drink as little as possible and hopefully get them topless and kiss kiss touch touch

This one you might wish to to talk to mami (tip her too) and then ask her for recommendation. If you been to Singapore KTV night club, you will know the right person to ask for this kind of girls mentioned is often the mami/papi,hehehe...

I usually dont recommend solo person going to KTV,it can be quite boring and expensive if chemistry with girls didnt turn out well or as expected.

This is actually my rush reply as you are heading to Batam today. So forgive me if it isnt a detail one.

Cheers and have a good trip bro.

nono1973

02-04-2019, 02:00 PM

Just consolated with my Balai 18-21Apr 19 sight seeing write up...

Good one, this informative links consist of travelling from Batam Sekupang ferry terminal to Tanjong Balai.

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18531533&postcount=13355

Thank you for sharing,hehehe...the date of my/your post is ONLY 2rd April 2019 now but you wrote there your footprint on Map to Balai as 18 to 21 April. Did you travel via a time machine? :D

Ok,i suppose thats a typo i believe...hehehe... :p

leekwantew

02-04-2019, 05:01 PM

This is actually my rush reply as you are heading to Batam today. So forgive me if it isnt a detail one.

Cheers and have a good trip bro.

Thanks man you always come through.

Maybe i'll give Alishan a miss since i'm alone

Sent from my room in Formosa Hotel ;)

Black Page

02-04-2019, 05:26 PM

I will have to travel from Batam Nagoya to KL on a Sunday.
Any experienced people may give a good advice on the best way to do that?
I see the following options:

1) Fly.
Contrary to what I wrote before, I found one direct flight on Sunday, with Malindo Air BTH-SZB 11:00-13:20, priced S$145 with 20kg luggage or S$172 with 25kg.
Other flights available, but with connection and not cheaper.
Is Malindo Air considered reliable most of the times about punctuality and cancellations?

2) Horizon Ferry to Singapore HB to HF, then Aeroline bus from HF to KL.
This is my usual way of travelling KL-Batam.
Overall it takes one whole day! leaving 7:30am from HB :eek: to arrive 6pm to KL.
Not cheap anyway: 80 SGD just for ferry+bus, plus overheads.

3) This is what I ask people here: Can I take another ferry from Batam to Malaysia? Where? Then what bus line to KL?
I am pretty sure there are a couple of alternatives, like taking a ferry to JB and then a bus.
I would be grateful is anyone can provide some hints about this, so that I can compare to Horizon Ferry + Aeroline Bus.

Thank you

Hurricane88

02-04-2019, 05:46 PM

Is it expensive?

Expensive as in is like Singapore ,whereby the delivery cost can cost as high as the food ordered. Example, i order a S$3.50 chicken rice in Singapore, delivery charge is S$3.

Whereas i order a pack of chicken rice in Batam at 18k rupiah, total cost after the chicken rice reach me is 23k/25k rupiah . Cost of the delivery is at 5k/7k rupiah or so.

I ask the question out of curiosity only,hehehe..

Grab Food goes to stores and price as per listed...delivery price less than $2...but delivery charges depends how far to travel becos hcm big....:)

foody vn will need a min order of 50k to 100k dong ($3 to $6)and one standard delivery charge of $3 ...:)

Black Page

02-04-2019, 09:31 PM

I did not intend to be harsh against you, but just pointing out the sad situation of today with Pacific and No Name.

By the way, is Pacific still closed? Closed forever??
Or reopened? plan to reopen?
So many fond memories... :(

seabass

02-04-2019, 11:23 PM

nono1973

02-04-2019, 11:30 PM

i know of those sim card shops, but as I'm planning a trip soon. just wondering if anyone tried those are how good they are. considering i do not have a mobile wifi router and they said that the device can connect up to 6. hmmmm

Which is the reason why i try to say a regular Batam traveler shouldnt be needing it as they works about the same as an usb Mobile wifi router (since you asked, how good are they),hehehe...

The same shop that sells sim cards on the right hand side after you step out of Harbour Bay arrival hall sells a usb Mobile wifi router at 500k rupiah, a sim card for 50k rupiah for one day usage and Telkomsel sim card that has mainly Data Only which last about a month at 100k rupiah.

S$8.50 is almost 90k rupiah. So its more like a deal for unsuspecting new Batam visitors,hehehe...

nowadays got more families during the weekends, so i guess they are more tight when it comes to this. not sure if the system applies for weekday bros tho. :) but yes, the villas are huge and the possibilities are endless :D could have some real great fun in those.

Hmm...perhaps it could also be due to some recent case of some girl/s getting "raped" inside a particular hotel room by a few male guests from a certain country many Indonesian girls in Batam i knew didnt like to serve (from reliable source) ? And it didnt end well for the female victim,thanks to Batam's law enforcer...(words spread far around the Batam hotel industry) :(

One guest from the case was registered, the others involved wasnt.

(i am not saying the case happens in Montigo Resort here)

So i guess they have that new rule for safety reason/s.

one small tip is. if you do stay at Montigo Resorts frequently, book under the same name and the Resident Manager actually records your frequency of stay and treats you better. Like every hotel, they will attach a VIP code to you and offer you some privileges like late checkout or even express queue to check in. it's quite good actually.

I guess thats how i got my Gold member card in Formosa,hehehe...highest of its class when i stayed there regularly. I like the late check out idea, but almost every hotel i visit allows late check out, hence it doesnt make much difference.

I test out many hotels in terms of service orientation and efficiency, Montigo is one of the above average ones. Most who visit Montigo goes for their seaview ambiance, its room size and their in-room swimming pool. :p

nono1973

02-04-2019, 11:35 PM

Hmm...Shazam already start screening in Batam,earlier than the expected 5th April...

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18495617&postcount=13231

...next should be either Hellboy or Avenger Endgame?

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18516773&postcount=13291

...or is it going to The New Mutants? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu9e410C__I

This one is going to be more over the horror side tho,i mean base on the trailer i think there is this possibility. And wont look like the good guy beats the bad guy type of super hero movie.

There are rumors that this movie might be delaying its screen date due to the Disney-Fox deal (Disney buying over Fox). This movie's original screen date is suppose that is suppose to be on September 2018 but well...it got delayed until 12 April and now...hehehe...its rumored that it might get another delay again.

It's important to stress that, right now, these just be considered rumors - albeit highly believable ones. In truth, though, the fate of New Mutants could be decided by something very different; the Disney/Fox acquisition. Disney is hoping to purchase the bulk of Fox's film and TV empire, and is only awaiting final sign-off from international regulators. Should everything go as planned, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four film rights will be handed back to Marvel Studios. Disney has pledged that all completed Fox movies will still be released, but would New Mutants count under that promise? Although principal photography is long since wrapped up, these reshoots do seem likely to be pretty extensive. It's sadly possible that Disney will consider Dark Phoenix to be the end of the Fox-era X-Men, and pull the plug on Josh Boone's production.

All this is disappointing news for X-Men fans. Josh Boone truly does seem to be a genuine comic book fan, and he's clearly drawn inspiration from Chris Claremont and Bill Sienkiewicz's unforgettable New Mutants run. In fact, Boone originally pitched the film as the start of a trilogy starring the young X-Men wannabes, but that's almost certainly not going to happen. Instead, if this latest report is accurate, New Mutants may not even be released at the box office in the end - if at all.

Not sure how good this movie is going to be...nonetheless, there's going to be some New Mutants and new mutants from the movie mean more good upcoming movies in the days to come,hehehe...

Regular69

02-04-2019, 11:43 PM

3) This is what I ask people here: Can I take another ferry from Batam to Malaysia? Where? Then what bus line to KL?
I am pretty sure there are a couple of alternatives, like taking a ferry to JB and then a bus.

Yes, there is ferry service from HB/BC to Stulang Laut, JB. From there you have few options to go KL;
1) from Stulang Laut, take taxi/grab to Larkin Sentral (Bus Terminal) which will take 10-15min and you will have an every 30mins bus service to KL. Bus ticket cost MYR30-35, 4 hours journey.
2) from Stulang Laut, take taxi/grab to Senai airport (30mins ride). At Senai you can take Airasia flight to KL. Flight ticket starting from MYR48-98, approx 1 hour flight.

Hope this could help.

Black Page

03-04-2019, 12:06 AM

Bro, you can take a 90 min ferry via Batam Centre to JB (waterfront). [https://berjayawaterfront.com.my/ferry-terminal/]
Grab to JB bus terminal like Lakin
Lakin to KL (RM 25). Travel time 3-4 hours from JB to KL
At Lakin, pick up a SIM card for internet connectivity. RM 18 for 7 days on Digi
Google your way to your last mile. Beside grab can use MyCar or MULA very cheap
PM me if you need clarification, enjoy your journey
I PMed you.
Thank you!! So informative. Really helpful for me and others.

I am carefully studying this option you suggest, but overall the only advantage I see seems that I could skip passing the immigration of Singapore, and thus save some space on my passport.
However, the total journey time seems even longer than taking Horizon Ferry from Harbour Bay to Harbour Front, then Aeroline Bus from Harbour Front to Corus Hotel in KL.
Via JB, I have to go to Batam Centre, then in JB after immigration find a taxi who is honest and does not overcharge too much (this is the difficult part), go to Larkin, take the bus which takes me not to KL centre but to the TBS terminal, far away from centre.

Seriously, I am considering to fly instead of bus.

nono1973

03-04-2019, 12:17 AM

I briefly read thru... sorry if i didn't catch everything. Just thinking, what if during emergency, the person who supposed to help you get emergency services actually decided to let you mati instead? Then bury you some where in batam or cook curry and took over your properties in batam?

e.g. Your mistress or caretaker or butler or whoever conspired with another to take everything from you.

So people in Sg tot you not returning to sg liao. Then people in batam tot you returned to sg liao not free to back batam. If really someone report and investigate? Just say duno where he go leh then how?

So you maybe need engage a lawyer to do up all the necessary inheritance and will with instructions. If you don't have anyone to pass on your fortune? Can nominate one of the samster arkaji with u type 555 :p or donate to charity. :D

Reference to My Big Plan..and explanation :

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18518616#post18518616

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18528795#post18528795

_______________________________

1. Tentatively, my tenant/s renting those extra units would most likely be some closer friends i made over my years in Batam,hehehe..

2. We play "chess" at the void deck every other day/evening,hehehe... (as mentioned in other earlier posts)

3. I dont plan to hold a permanent visa in Batam so i have to return to Singapore at least once a month (by law,i cannot stay longer than 30 days in Batam), to collect Singapore rental,maybe some CPF money and to run some errands. Places i picked in both Singapore and Batam were wheelchair accessible (sorry, gonna think far on this one) to make travelling convenient,hehehe.. and i will be in Singapore for a few days before going back to Batam again.

4. Good people like bro funboi yourself in SBF might probably also knows something isnt right with Nono1973 when he did not make a single post for one whole week,let alone other good bros who followed my post/s,hehehe... ;)

5. Every single time in my Batam trip, at least one member of SBF will know i will be there and the date i will return (i dont change my return date so far and if i happen to, i have that habit to inform in advance).

6. My online gaming friends (which i knew in person, in real life) would be curious if i didnt log-in to the game to claim my daily "free gifts" too,hehehe..

7. I do understand a "will" is needed to properly distribute my assets and cash as i have just went thru the trouble of settling a case for one who didnt had a "Will" recently. (gentle-reminder to readers; CPF nomination is NOT a "will")

8. I am likely to have surveillance from both Batam and Singapore connected to each other. Which is the reason why i have 2 sets of internet connection from 2 ISPs in Batam (one to use,one for back-up). I might need to get another one (3rd one) when i am settled down,hehehe...well,talk about being kiasu.

9. I will have friends and relatives coming over to Batam for short stay occasionally (mentioned before),well...since Singapore to Batam isnt really FAR away or expensive. Moreover, its free lodging for them.

10. I read about Yang Yin, the young China tourist guide who cheated the old lady's money whom he is suppose to take care of. I learned that lesson there. I can be very confident today of what i said,because i am younger in age but when i am older, i might not have that kind of energy and/or wisdom to judge things as proportionally as today. After making all those preparation and yet still "bad things" happens to me, then there is only myself to blame isnt it? Yes, blame it on my poor judgement/choice today.

Tho you may sound dramatic,hehehe...like some Hongkong drama series (i watch them too),hehehe...well, things you said CAN still happen real life (eg, Yang Yin case etc). i can plan and be be prepared all i want/wish, but we all know there is no such as a 100% fool-proof if heaven wants me to fail in my final days,hehehe...so i will plan and be prepared to the best i could, the rest i will leave it all to fate.

Then again, between people of Indonesia and people of China, i believe that Indonesian were less scheming and unlikely have the brain-power to think/plan too many steps ahead,hehehe... which is one reason why many love the Indonesian simple style of living (less ambitious,less stressful,less greed).

As for how sure i am if there is anything that would happen to me,who would ultimately pick up my old "broken bones",well... friends from the same country has the tendency to keep close to each other, just to "keep warm" with each other in a foreign country,especially friends with similar agenda. :D

Retirement isnt about staying at home to do nothing,hehehe...especially not confining myself alone,be doing nothing and losing contact with the outside world. My customer, a nearly 80 year old man once told me, want to "live", then better "move". His exact words in Chinese, 什么叫 “活动”，要 "活" 就要 "动"。

Refer to number 2 above, i will likely be playing "chess" at the void deck with my Singapore friend/tenant,hehehe...and what are the visible similar signs of some good chess player? They need to move and think ahead...

Sincerely thank you for sharing.

Nice song Hurt...from Logan movie...

(a very themed songs about aging,hehehe..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV9cvXaBRFE

Lyrics :

I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

[Chorus:]
What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

I wear this crown of thorns
Upon my liar's chair
Full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
Beneath the stains of time
The feelings disappear
You are someone else
I am still right here

[Chorus:]
What have I become
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know goes away
In the end
And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way

ps.

Don't mind hor just thinking drama a bit. Cuz i no marry no kid so if one day i mati those stuff in sg will follow the sg law flow to the NOK or assigned person. Then overseas stuff also must note down else no one will know about it.

then drama more a bit cuz the lover after sticking to you so many years found out u nv leave anything for her then after u die she maybe homeless or what how? she angry u mah 555. Then if u leave property under her name wah jialat cuz u old can't fuck liao she horny find new guy and again they hope u mati cepat

I have yet to come in contact with any Indonesian lawyer when it comes to transferring my properties, doing up a will or inheritance regulations in the country yet, hence on this part, i cannot comment. I will have to work it out when the right time comes. Meaning to say,its a bit early for me as i have no properties in Batam yet.

But there is one thing i know, when i age, my girls will also be aging (no longer young anymore). And as mention in my earlier post, whatever assets or cash i have in Indonesia Batam will be left there (thats of course, my 1st original plan). And i have told all my girls in from the past till today before, if they ever find a better guy than me, do feel free to leave and if they one day played "truant" behind my back and i found out, they can also go (fired!),hehehe...

I dont keep just one "Queen", i keep Queens so they can compete against each other. Winner gets the Grand prize, loser possibly gets the consolation one. The one who got sack (or left half-time) gets NOTHING. ;)

(illustration above were base on my gaming language,hehehe..)

I read somewhere in this SBF forum that a Man is suppose to make the girl's pussy wet, and not her eyes (tears). The man's girl is suppose to make his man's dick Hard and not his life (hard life). Sounds something like that,hehehe...dont you think the Grand prize should goes to the deserving girl who could often make her old man's dick hard?

Life is like a game...play well, before its Game Over.

(chess is a game too,hehehe..)

*avoid quoting my whole long post if anyone is replying to my post, thanks!

PowerBenz

03-04-2019, 12:43 AM

Can.i check with those who stay at hans inn before do they have safe box in room???

ReCoKiA

03-04-2019, 01:32 AM

Heading up solo tomorrow , any bros wants to meet up for coffee or meals inbox me

miumiu6464

03-04-2019, 02:31 AM

Can.i check with those who stay at hans inn before do they have safe box in room???

Yes, they do have safe box in rooms.

BFOMF5

03-04-2019, 04:37 AM

BFOMF5

03-04-2019, 05:12 AM

Good one, this informative links consist of travelling from Batam Sekupang ferry terminal to Tanjong Balai.

https://sbf.net.nz/showpost.php?p=18531533&postcount=13355

Thank you for sharing,hehehe...the date of my/your post is ONLY 2rd April 2019 now but you wrote there your footprint on Map to Balai as 18 to 21 April. Did you travel via a time machine? :D

Ok,i suppose thats a typo i believe...hehehe... :p
Edited thanks :)

To add on..

I hv learnt that some place of interest
Might appear to be deserted..when i was there, but I can imagine the local crowd during their rest days/hours.

Was regraded that I visited balai for years and not going to the coastal area at night to dine in the sea breeze.

I'm sure I will revisit the water fall during raining season.
And the beach again when sun is good.

Also this is the first hotel that I come across that provide supper.

BFOMF5

03-04-2019, 06:20 AM

If i book a cewek. I bring her along with me. Both register at counter. No problem right?
Can not lah.
both of you Must show them you red NICAH n her green one.:D
**Joke only**

davidlah

03-04-2019, 10:11 AM

Talking abt aging and overseas properties.

Factual as it is, being killed by your cewek and her boyfriend are always potential possibilities when you have properties that they can possess once you die. Hard truth really.

A few pointers:

1) Set a time frame for the end of your active lifestyle. Maybe a range between 85 and 95 years old. Then you do backwards calculation how much you can spend all including all capitals. As I get it from most of the people here that they wont left a single cent to their offspring or anyone. Then no point leaving anything of value, might as well spend it all.

2) Consider annuity plan pegged to inflation in your arsenal of retirement funding. No one get this money if they kill you.

3) Leave a small property in Singapore as a small insurance in case you find it hard to die. Maybe a senior citizen hdb flat.

4) Lastly, you can plan as much as possible, but people change,environment change, you yourself change and your health deteriorate. Take that into consideration and imagine your frail future self.

Hurricane88

03-04-2019, 10:28 AM

1) Set a time frame for the end of your active lifestyle. Maybe a range between 85 and 95 years old. Then you do backwards calculation how much you can spend all including all capitals. As I get it from most of the people here that they wont left a single cent to their offspring or anyone. Then no point leaving anything of value, might as well spend it all.

2) Consider annuity plan pegged to inflation in your arsenal of retirement funding. No one get this money if they kill you.

3) Leave a small property in Singapore as a small insurance in case you find it hard to die. Maybe a senior citizen hdb flat.

4) Lastly, you can plan as much as possible, but people change,environment change, you yourself change and your health deteriorate. Take that into consideration and imagine your frail future self.

Well said and well thought...believe me or not...will not bring any gal to my condo/apt if I do own any...there were plenty of sob stories to tell and scary...:)

also believe me or not...what you mentioned above and previous forums...all I did or done deed...:)

Will still bring gal go hotel for any making over...:)

davidlah

03-04-2019, 11:20 AM

Well said and well thought..

also believe me or not...what you mentioned above and previous forums...all I did or done deed...:)

I guess real life experience makes people think alike. Very glad that there are bros who understand and can benefit from this forum. We might have saved some lives :) . For those still very young to understand, hope you can realise the pro and con of owning overseas properties with local ceweks moving in and out. Too many sob stories liao for the owner.

Also, just a friendly reminder, dont quote entire long post, the mods here quite strict. Hehe.

Hurricane88

03-04-2019, 11:30 AM

I guess real life experience makes people think alike. Very glad that there are bros who understand and can benefit from this forum. We might have saved some lives :) . For those still very young to understand, hope you can realise the pro and con of owning overseas properties with local ceweks moving in and out. Too many sob stories liao for the owner.

Also, just a friendly reminder, dont quote entire long post, the mods here quite strict. Hehe.

Let me share a real life experience...:)

I was meeting a guy in hcm who was sent from Singapore to station there for 2 years...with company paid accommodations and allowances..been new he was eager to know the gals...:)

Advised him to take his time to know the gals and dun ever bring to his apt...do deed in the short time hotel...of course he dun listen...:)

After several months, he came seeking advice from me...how to get rid of the gal who took the apt as hers who even took in relatives visiting from province...worst after break-off she was camping at his doorsteps begging chance for reconcile...so he cannot bring another gal back with her camping outside...:)

guess what advice did I gave him...:)

nono1973

03-04-2019, 11:34 AM

Another project that started on January 2019 but only recently last 1 or 2 month then i see some advertisement on it,hehehe...location seems good since it is just beside Nagoya Mansion. And in case no one knows, Nagoya Mansion studio apartment is fetching around S$500 monthly rental. But with this Thamrin City, which i notice technically blocking Nagoya Mansion, the rental there might drop...hehehe...can also be due to too many apartment too.

Nagoya Thamrin City
https://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27205/27205846237273922a62eaa11e879392bf7c4da6.jpg

This one should be in a pretty good location tho... (map below with yellow box)

https://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27205/2720584719de3743144fbce648ef4d19128bb7ae.jpeg

As most know, Nagoya Mansion is about 10 odd mins to Nagoya Hill Mall, this Nagoya Thamrin City is beside and yet built even closer to Nagoya Hill Mall...blocking Nagoya Mansion's way to Nagoya Hill Mall in the meantime.

https://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27205/272058595a9aa5a858798a42ba32d4468a72db8b.jpg

...during the launch start, its often lower in pricing,hehehe...probably to test market.

https://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27205/272058645ea307f442c3e4722ead217986cd4320.jpg

At the least, this one says the hand-over date would be on 2021 but which part of 2021, no one knows as it isnt stated. Other developer dont even state the year of hand-over or completion. And by the way, this developer is the same one that builds Aston Hotel and Residences,Gideon Hotel,Novotel Hotels (now called Travelodge),Panorama Hotel Melia and Bintan Logoi International Terminal. So my guess is, it should be quite safe.

This post is just for my own later reference.

nono1973

03-04-2019, 11:38 AM

Thanks man you always come through.

Maybe i'll give Alishan a miss since i'm alone

Sent from my room in Formosa Hotel

Nice! With the money spend in Alishan alone in the hope for some good chances, you could buy yourself about 5 to 10 chances (depending if you are taking up extras,or not) with the girls in Kings or a chance with Alishan girl/s after work at about 130am in the lobby at the same price overnight. ;)

Its weekdays,hehehe...enjoy!

Grab Food goes to stores and price as per listed...delivery price less than $2...but delivery charges depends how far to travel becos hcm big....

Yes, HCMC definitely bigger than Batam and moving around cost money. These cost can add up quite substantially if not carefully monitored,hehehe...

foody vn will need a min order of 50k to 100k dong ($3 to $6)and one standard delivery charge of $3 ...:)

This is the problem i am talking about, buy a S$2 meal but delivery can cost 50% and more over the food cost,hence eating alone become not worth the cost. Then again, the good part of it is, total food price includes delivery is still affordable compared to eating in hotels.

davidlah

03-04-2019, 11:53 AM

After several months, he came seeking advice from me...how to get rid of the gal who took the apt as hers who even took in relatives visiting from province...worst after break-off she was camping at his doorsteps begging chance for reconcile...so he cannot bring another gal back with her camping outside...:)

guess what advice did I gave him...:)

A few things one can do in this type of situation, choose one that one might think fit.

1. Move to another apartment/city/job
2. Call security and be heartless
3. Get her a casanova boyfriend who will dump her soonest she leave the apt.
4. Borrow money from her friends and relatives. Pile troubles on her.
5. Bring WL back, and show her you have a good time with WL
6. Ignore her

Point 6 takes time and the most stupid becos it is a waiting game with no time limit. Point 4 very risky of revenge act.

Abv assuming total breakup scenario.

And many more possible solutions, but troublesome nonetheless, better not to bring any cewek home, go hotel better.

Hurricane88

03-04-2019, 12:03 PM

A few things one can do in this type of situation, choose one that one might think fit.

1. Move to another apartment/city/job
2. Call security and be heartless
3. Get her a casanova boyfriend who will dump her soonest she leave the apt.
4. Borrow money from her friends and relatives. Pile troubles on her.
5. Bring WL back, and show her you have a good time with WL
6. Ignore her

exactly troublesome...been a nice guy...he move out in middle of nite after 2 months of ignoring her...:)

he tried the rest but dun work...the security guard can be bribed...:)

Hurricane88

03-04-2019, 12:05 PM

This is the problem i am talking about, buy a S$2 meal but delivery can cost 50% and more over the food cost,hence eating alone become not worth the cost. Then again, the good part of it is, total food price includes delivery is still affordable compared to eating in hotels.

food is never an issue in hcm...plenty of 24 hrs stores...:)

as for me I had no habit of supper and sleep very early and gets up early...even if I am in karimun...:)

BFOMF5

03-04-2019, 02:08 PM

4) Lastly, you can plan as much as possible, but people change,environment change, you yourself change and your health deteriorate. Take that into consideration and imagine your frail future self.
555
This is the most valid point to me.

BFOMF5

03-04-2019, 02:25 PM

.....beside Nagoya Mansion. And in case no one knows, Nagoya Mansion studio apartment is fetching around S$500 monthly rental. But with this Thamrin City, which i notice technically blocking Nagoya Mansion, the rental there might drop...hehehe...can also be due to too many apartment too.
.....
this developer is the same one that builds Aston Hotel and Residences,Gideon Hotel,Novotel Hotels (now called Travelodge),Panorama Hotel Melia and Bintan Logoi International Terminal. So my guess is, it should be quite safe.

This post is just for my own later reference.
got this yesterday morning
https://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27206/27206211aa3acce2aacad6e4e2ebb4bf46c3cea3.png

NM rentals price negotiable
https://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27206/27206212e0c197ee1cd7b48f95af5ea1bb7aff91.png

HeatguyAlvin

03-04-2019, 11:18 PM

HeatguyAlvin

03-04-2019, 11:19 PM

By the way, is Pacific still closed? Closed forever??
Or reopened? plan to reopen?
So many fond memories... :(

can update once i go :)

HeatguyAlvin

03-04-2019, 11:23 PM

I PMed you.
Thank you!! So informative. Really helpful for me and others.

I am carefully studying this option you suggest, but overall the only advantage I see seems that I could skip passing the immigration of Singapore, and thus save some space on my passport.
However, the total journey time seems even longer than taking Horizon Ferry from Harbour Bay to Harbour Front, then Aeroline Bus from Harbour Front to Corus Hotel in KL.
Via JB, I have to go to Batam Centre, then in JB after immigration find a taxi who is honest and does not overcharge too much (this is the difficult part), go to Larkin, take the bus which takes me not to KL centre but to the TBS terminal, far away from centre.

Seriously, I am considering to fly instead of bus.

one is faster, one is cheaper. If you are worried about the taxi to larkin, take a bus lor or use Grab. Cannot overcharge you.

Black Page

04-04-2019, 06:33 AM

Harbour bay to Putri Harbour
Causeway link bus to KL.

Should be cheaper

Need to check connection timing.

Thank you and thank you Seabass.

Bussing from Batam to KL is too complex. Connecting times are cumbersome. Via JB it is even worse: all bus lines take not to KL centre but to the TBS terminal, far away from centre. Best bus is Aeroline: from HF to Corus Hotel in front of Twin Towers.

I decided: I will fly with Malindo from Batam to KL SZB, but on my way back I will take Aeroline from Corus Hotel to Singapore HF then Horizon to Batam HB. Not only cheaper , also not so long and I SLEEP 5 HOURS on the bus to recover from the previous night.

Thanks!!

fde83

04-04-2019, 07:41 PM

Mati Lampu 😢

dromad68

05-04-2019, 01:51 AM

Was at Foreplay for about three hours. Not bad. Ordered a Apple juice for 66.000 for the whole evening. Came with a bowl of nuts. Watched three dances, each time with 4 girls. All 12 girls were a mixture of young and not-so-young dancers but all were energetic. The live band was good although I knew less than 5 of the songs they played: Smoke on the Water, In Your Head, and a couple other tunes which I recognise but don’t know the song title. The crow started coming in at about 11 pm and the cigarette smoke and shisha became more and more unbearable for non-smokers like me. Most people were downstairs so sitting upstairs may get you some relief. It’s no wonder the rest of the pubs in NED could not draw in the crowd.

nono1973

05-04-2019, 11:11 AM

Talking abt aging and overseas properties.

Factual as it is, being killed by your cewek and her boyfriend are always potential possibilities when you have properties that they can possess once you die. Hard truth really.

Human nature, are greedy. The same applies to the other 6 sins - pride, (greed) lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. This all really depends on how well one controls them or how well one would allow them to take control.

A few pointers:

1) Set a time frame for the end of your active lifestyle. Maybe a range between 85 and 95 years old. Then you do backwards calculation how much you can spend all including all capitals. As I get it from most of the people here that they wont left a single cent to their offspring or anyone. Then no point leaving anything of value, might as well spend it all.

*tick*

https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208538f66a28ebe22ad3e7b3ef9ce92d8e41fb.gif

2) Consider annuity plan pegged to inflation in your arsenal of retirement funding. No one get this money if they kill you.

*tick*

https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208538f66a28ebe22ad3e7b3ef9ce92d8e41fb.gif

3) Leave a small property in Singapore as a small insurance in case you find it hard to die. Maybe a senior citizen hdb flat.

*tick*

https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208538f66a28ebe22ad3e7b3ef9ce92d8e41fb.gif

4) Lastly, you can plan as much as possible, but people change,environment change, you yourself change and your health deteriorate. Take that into consideration and imagine your frail future self.

*tick*

https://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208538f66a28ebe22ad3e7b3ef9ce92d8e41fb.gif

Well said and well thought...believe me or not...will not bring any gal to my condo/apt if I do own any...there were plenty of sob stories to tell and scary...

Which is one of the reason why i do not plan to buy just ONE unit. And only having one unit isnt part of my plan.

A "smarter rabbit" much often have more than 3 hideouts (living home), 狡兔三窟.

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18518616&highlight=29409+20820+19977+31391#post18518616

Also, just a friendly reminder, dont quote entire long post, the mods here quite strict. Hehe.

Agreed with this one. :p

as for me I had no habit of supper and sleep very early and gets up early...even if I am in karimun...:)

Good living habit/s keeps one healthier.

(reminds me of the 92 year old Japanese runner's living habit who could still sprint 200 meter)

nono1973

05-04-2019, 11:12 AM

Yes, they do have safe box in rooms.

I notice recently that Hans Inn have a new type of room, a Penthouse type of room that consist of 3 bed rooms,hehehe...but at S$238.00 (base on booking.com price few days ago). And from the sight of it, its seems like its on the rooftop,hehehe...which i find pretty unique. :p

https://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208512000556cb89812aa57e6293732d1db302.jpg

https://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208511df252dea9111522c4cade5325d342e01.jpg

Was regraded that I visited balai for years and not going to the coastal area at night to dine in the sea breeze.

I'm sure I will revisit the water fall during raining season.
And the beach again when sun is good.

Also this is the first hotel that I come across that provide supper.

Interesting indeed.

What caught my attention was the "Gold Coast" apartment thingy tho. And i am putting that in mind but wont be in any short notice to look in yet as i am still looking at Batam,hehehe...cannot be too greedy (or be overly-ambitious). :D

nono1973

05-04-2019, 11:14 AM

5555 if you open enough not cam/voice shy, when most of your dreams/plans finally come true? Can consider become a youtuber and share your daily life in batam. Maybe can earn money from youtube also.

Hehehe...i do read a little of your Chiong 101, Chionging for Dummies + Do's & Don'ts and replying your suggestion to earn money from youtube base on your internet language ; you want me to increase my chance to "up lorry"? i dont want to be part of the up lorry...hehehe... :p

Indonesia is still pretty much a conservative country with majority of its citizen being Muslim. Indonesia (Batam/Jakarta) girls who were featured in Asian Sex Diaries videos,Bigo Live etc (or the like) got call up by the local police,hehehe...i am going to Batam more to rest and relax, not intend to seek too much "excitement". :D

Thank you very much for the long detailed points sharing your plans. I wish you good luck, good health and all the best in life. ;)

You are welcome, i would probably not replied to your post if not for your earlier sharing post. Nonetheless,i wish you good health ,good luck and the best in life too,and one day after your age enough, would be able to pass on smoothly (peacefully and quick), w/o the need to burden the people whom you care. ;)

Cheers!

nono1973

05-04-2019, 11:25 AM

got this yesterday morning
https://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27206/27206211aa3acce2aacad6e4e2ebb4bf46c3cea3.png

Hmm...rental for this one may seems higher but i look into Rumah and notice rental was close or be around S$500 of so (some even lower). The info you shared is informative to know. Helps me to make comparison as to why were the Management of Nagoya Mansion charge higher rental than Rumah,hehehe..

NM rentals price negotiable
https://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27206/27206212e0c197ee1cd7b48f95af5ea1bb7aff91.png

This is on Aston Hotel and Residences? Seems like its their selling price list...hehehe...and apparently their studio were sold out. The price list from my perspective is the value of the apartment from the Management of the estate and not its market value,hehehe...of course, it can some time be lower , if not higher.

Like the below, which may looks lower...

(studio unit comparison)
https://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/27208/27208697034abff58cf2df866cd11f5a4a382221.jpg

...but note that the above unit were not furbish. The list sells at 753 juta, but rumah,olx etc is frying it up to 850 juta. Their studio unit is around 40 square meter, almost double the size of other studio unit i see, hence pricing it around 750+ juta is quite justifiable. Unit/s with good viewing location and fully furnish can go up to 900 juta,hehehe...

Sorry, been going around comparing prices and looking for the best (you know how stingy i am),hehehe...yet trying to control my 7 sins.

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milfmilf

05-04-2019, 03:48 PM

rpd21

05-04-2019, 09:15 PM

anyone heading to batam for the weekend? hit me up.

dromad68

05-04-2019, 11:34 PM

The NoName bar’s band is equally great as Foreplay’s. I find the drummer in Noname is much better than the one at Foreplay. More expressive with the beats. The guitarist is also better. Overall a great band! Nice to hear live band.

rocky_509

06-04-2019, 12:19 AM

hi guys,any recommendations for driver? been so long never been batam lol

dromad68

06-04-2019, 01:55 AM

Montigo

06-04-2019, 12:44 PM

Monday at the custom of harborbay ferry terminal.
The chop passport felle suddenly ask me where am I going to.

I was like... I come to your country now at your custom. Where do you think I going to? Halted for 2 seconds lol.

Then I told him my hotel name and that's it.
Wasting each others time.

Yea I was often ask too. Normally, i just reply 'For holiday' and that's it.

Normally, 3 out 5 trip i was always asked .. dunno why ...

BFOMF5

06-04-2019, 01:57 PM

Yea I was often ask too. Normally, i just reply 'For holiday' and that's it.

Normally, 3 out 5 trip i was always asked .. dunno why ...

Maybe should try dress in the way... that make them think that these is less chance to extort you:D

BFOMF5

06-04-2019, 02:03 PM

hi guys,any recommendations for driver? been so long never been batam lol
Not like balai... you don't need driver.
Unless you going Barelang. ?

Equip you self with data follow nono's guild. Take grap/GoCar to DCM then explore fr there.

milfmilf

06-04-2019, 08:44 PM

Yea I was often ask too. Normally, i just reply 'For holiday' and that's it.

Normally, 3 out 5 trip i was always asked .. dunno why ...

so he actually meant "come batam for what purpose?" :D

OnlyLiveOnce

06-04-2019, 09:13 PM

so he actually meant "come batam for what purpose?" :D

Actually, they are out to get those coming to Batam for business. So, for those going on holiday, there is no fear, just say having holiday in Batam . For business travellers, you will need a business visa or settle with them in their rooms.

fde83

06-04-2019, 11:13 PM

bcs, selling orange horizon tickets for 380k. valid till 30th june

HeatguyAlvin

07-04-2019, 01:30 AM

Have you considered GOJEK? I’ve been here for two weeks now. Have used GOJEK all the way. Except for some slight inconvenience, GOJEK is quite affordable. Each trip is about 11,000 to 13,000. I think a full day car rental plus driver will cost you about 500,000. Just a thought

grab and gojek both can use but abit problematic when you are at a shopping mall, hotel or ferry terminal. Must walk outside to the main road and wait. butttt very much cheaper than the taxi fares. if in malls hor, text the driver say pick up from carpark the drop off zone, then he will drive in.

nono1973

07-04-2019, 01:41 AM

Hmm...its not easy trying to find a restaurant that allows smoking inside Harbour Bay ferry terminal itself...

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...i used to go to Excelso Restaurant for coffee (which can cost quite a bit) to kill time while i awaits my coming ferry...

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...and my friends who just returned to Singapore tells me i could now go to Morning Bakery on the 2nd floor of the terminal, whereby they have an air-con siting area for smokers to dine in,hehehe...

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...very innovative indeed and they deserve good business. :D

nono1973

07-04-2019, 01:44 AM

Remember i went to Eska Massage on Jan 2019 at Harbour Bay Ferry terminal, it was a fairly good 1.5 hour massage but an expensive one with my 50 rupiah voucher,hehehe...the massage cost 300k rupiah (excluding tax).

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The package i took up was the Herbal Therapeutic Compress massage whereby beside having the regular Indonesia traditional massage, the massage girl also uses some kind of cloth-wrapped heat ball that consist of some kind of herbs and spice to massage my whole body....

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The good part of it which i find them quite innovative is that they actually "blindfold" me after i lied on bed....and that actually fully relaxed my body and mind as the massage goes smoothly along with the soothing music.

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Well, total final bill still cost me 300k plus (a bit) rupiah after they added the 21% tax to it (after the 50k voucher discount). All in all, the massage was not too bad and its soothing plus the blindfold idea was pretty innovative (surprised me a bit)...but becos of the price i paid that day, i highly doubt i will be stepping in there again,hehehe... :p

Just some belated sharing...

http://www.imgflex.com/images/2019/04/08/ezgif-4-30d5a6261bac.gif

Leoric

07-04-2019, 08:37 AM

Hmm...perhaps it could also be due to some recent case of some girl/s getting "raped" inside a particular hotel room by a few male guests from a certain country many Indonesian girls in Batam i knew didnt like to serve (from reliable source) ? And it didnt end well for the female victim,thanks to Batam's law enforcer...(words spread far around the Batam hotel industry) :(

One guest from the case was registered, the others involved wasnt.

(i am not saying the case happens in Montigo Resort here)

So i guess they have that new rule for safety reason/s.

I think hotels were more concern of their own female staffs getting gang-raped by their guests for this incident. I hear of the case too. It's no wonder y female masseuse or female working girls didn't like to serve that race from 'that particular' country, even when they arrive from sg land.

These criminals were lucky the police were corrupted.

i came back to SG while ice they all still in batam but i went back again few days later for another 2d1n & just got back. Just updating some info for u...

M1 hotel new price list as request by u :

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The room i got...

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Their toilet come with bath tub.

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& they got 2 television,1 at the hall,the other opposite the bed.

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They also got safe deposit box

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That's all for the room.

Leoric

07-04-2019, 08:46 AM

My dinner that nite...

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cooked by this young 700k girl..

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Bring a few friends to New Spa to entertain them & since bro nono1973 ask me help him get the latest price list, so here it is..

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1 HJ with 1.5 hr massage = 383k
2 HJ with 1.5 hr massage = 403k
2 HJ with 1.5 hr massage + hot & cold treatment = 453k

Extend 45 mins = 212k

Price stated is all after 30% disc.

Free use of facilities like hot/cold pool, sauna & O2 room; there would be other promotion on April,according to the GROs ,so price i share might varies.

Note that cashier staffs cannot openly tell u the package price now, when u are not committed to even taking the facilities deal. They will refer guest to the 6th floor to talk to a GRO who would do all the explanation. They knew abt the raids if not careful or when they become too popular. The hotel took down most of New Spa 's banner from their web too.

Personal advise, don't bother taking up the 383k package even when u can only manage to release once since the difference is only 20k & since bro nono1973 says he's paying my bill when i mail him the receipt, so i took up the most exp 453k package without thinking. :D

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& fyi, Venus Spa manager resign from Venus & jump ship to New Spa recently, so expect lots of similarity. I got lucky & got an ex Delta young girl who started work first day. Becos of yr recommendation & my good luck, i'll refund u back 50% off the package i took. :D

Inside the massage rm...

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Please take note it's already a trend that 'package deal' that come with free hj don't consist of roaming, full/half strip & other plus plus. The friend i bring takes the 383k package, end up Lan Lan extend another 45 mins at 212k extra + another 200k for top/bottom roaming.

For me, i didn't extend, but top up 100k for all above "extras" + 100k personal tip for her good job. She's so young & such a cutie pie. :cool:

Before we left, we complain to the GRO on the 212k extension being too expensive & likely deter us from returning again. 1.5 hr massage, during the first hour session,they start calling the room to ask if we wish to extend. 4 of us in this trip, 2 needs to extend. I & another bro who took up 2 HJ package didn't extend. So my 2 other friends who paid for the lowest package end up paying more than us & they are not happy.

I ask them send their FRs to u for details.

Montigo

07-04-2019, 10:17 AM

so he actually meant "come batam for what purpose?" :D

I can roughly guess only. Btw, I have seen an elderly couple talking for few min with the custom officer at the stamping passport area. Then the officer ask another officer to bring the elderly couple to a room. I have no idea what was going on. Maybe kena kopi money?

Montigo

07-04-2019, 10:40 AM

It should be between 300k to 400k rupiah for the whole night through and girl/s wont butterfly around.

Not too sure on that today but should be around say, 300k rupiah? (its up to individual) The last time i was there few years back was around 250k rupiah tho,even got friend (who's those not-so-touchy kind) tip 200k rupiah too.

Hi bro Nono1973,

Is it a must to tip the cewek although we have paid like 300k to 400k to the management? Suddenly i feel guilty :D

nitecrawllerr

07-04-2019, 12:44 PM

Hi bro Nono1973,

Is it a must to tip the cewek although we have paid like 300k to 400k to the management? Suddenly i feel guilty :D

Are u in anyway associated with Montigo Resort? Got discount or not for sbf members?:D

milfmilf

07-04-2019, 08:50 PM

next trip will stay 89 hotel :D

milfmilf

07-04-2019, 09:27 PM

any happening at this Reborn massage near BCS? :D

https://i.imgur.com/EBbai3N.jpg

BFOMF5

07-04-2019, 09:31 PM

grab and gojek both can use but abit problematic when you are at a shopping mall, hotel or ferry terminal. Must walk outside to the main road and wait. butttt very much cheaper than the taxi fares. if in malls hor, text the driver say pick up from carpark the drop off zone, then he will drive in.
Some experience driver can tell you where the safer place to pick u up. Obtain information about the model, color n nunber of the car when you're still in the building

The most important..
DO NOT use your hand phone when you're in the sight of the local taxi drivers.
Once tey suspect you.. they might tailing you.

BFOMF5

07-04-2019, 09:40 PM

next trip will stay 89 hotel :D
555
Would advise yu be little cautious as you might bump into your neighbor unties/uncles.

Montigo

07-04-2019, 11:09 PM

Are u in anyway associated with Montigo Resort? Got discount or not for sbf members?:D

Hahahaha I'm not associated with them. :p but been there once though ;)

完颜不破

08-04-2019, 12:10 AM

any happening at this Reborn massage near BCS? :D

https://i.imgur.com/EBbai3N.jpg

No bro. But this place is worth for money.

HeatguyAlvin

08-04-2019, 01:05 AM

Some experience driver can tell you where the safer place to pick u up. Obtain information about the model, color n nunber of the car when you're still in the building

The most important..
DO NOT use your hand phone when you're in the sight of the local taxi drivers.
Once tey suspect you.. they might tailing you.

very good tip bro

Black Page

08-04-2019, 05:44 AM

The most important..
DO NOT use your hand phone when you're in the sight of the local taxi drivers.
Once tey suspect you.. they might tailing you.
:confused: I have always my hp in hand, writing or reading messages or playing, and I do it standing or walking in front of taxi drivers. I simply do not mind about them.

nitecrawllerr

08-04-2019, 07:04 AM

:confused: I have always my hp in hand, writing or reading messages or playing, and I do it standing or walking in front of taxi drivers. I simply do not mind about them.

U diff. Cos u AMDK. Haha...*kiddin*:D

milfmilf

08-04-2019, 11:03 AM

last week I stayed Evitel hotel
weird thing is agoda din ask me to review :D
maybe they know I gona rate it low

breakfast - below average. daily have fried rice and noodle or bee hoon, which is what I liked. Besides there are 2 dishes. Seems like vegetarian but the indon style not too appealing to me.

location - short walking distance to Nagoya hill. Like one of the reviewer said, have to cross the 2-way busy road. Traffic light or zebra crossing is basically ignored.

Room - ok

Noticed Monday is especially quiet even at Nogoya mall.

nono1973

08-04-2019, 01:08 PM

Equip you self with data follow nono's guild. Take grap/GoCar to DCM then explore fr there.

From Ferry terminal to Hotel, i usually ask the hotel to pick me up (most time its free). Harbour Bay Ferry terminal taxi cost 30k rupiah from official taxi stand (still, ALWAYS double check price before boarding any taxi/s), definitely more worth than walking out of ferry terminal to wait for Go-Car on a sunny/rainy day (unless its sunset time).

From hotel to anywhere else, just use Go-Car or Grab. From Mall back to hotel, if i am carrying lots of shopping bags or heavier stuffs, i would just let the taxi outside the mall earn. I cant be winning all the time when it comes to saving money,hehehe...in Batam, its more on convenience versus pricing for a taxi ride. If i forgo convenient, things tends to be cheaper but if i want convenient, it would cost more. I devise my own "best of both world",hehehe...by picking the right hotel and the most suitable ferry terminal (for myself).

Let's not forget the language barrier between myself versus Go-Car and Grab,then again there's also Silver cab and Blue bird taxi too.

There is in fact one thing i will NEVER do with taxi drivers, that is i will NEVER negotiate a full day taxi pricing at any ferry terminal or outside shopping mall (especially so for Nagoya Hill Mall). Drivers there do not deserve good business,hehehe...they are worst of its kind in Batam. :D

("worst of its kind in Batam" mentioned above do not mean they are bad people,just worst over the same trade; and worst is a strong word)

I speak base on personal experience and as one single tourist. :p

Some experience driver can tell you where the safer place to pick u up. Obtain information about the model, color n nunber of the car when you're still in the building

A lot ,as in REALLY a lot of Go Car or Grab drivers dont give this information to the customers voluntarily (not experience enough,i guess) becos they were at most time driving a different color car and/or on different car number plate stated on the web,hehehe... i think its a kind of like a culture.

Best is to get the full vehicle description thats coming to pick me up via a phone call.

The most important..
DO NOT use your hand phone when you're in the sight of the local taxi drivers.
Once tey suspect you.. they might tailing you.

True, i get shouted at countless times by taxi touts becos of this. Some even threatened me (its a 100% threatening tone,even when i dont understand what they said)...hehehe...today, i simply walk to the nearest hotel to ask my girl help me dial a Go-Car. I dont speak bahasa, hence i cannot dial a Grab or Go-Car. ;)

nono1973

08-04-2019, 01:12 PM

I think hotels were more concern of their own female staffs getting gang-raped by their guests for this incident. I hear of the case too. It's no wonder y female masseuse or female working girls didn't like to serve that race from 'that particular' country, even when they arrive from sg land.

These criminals were lucky the police were corrupted.

A lot of hotels were now quite wary of that particular race of people when they checked into their hotels and quite a handful of MPs no longer wish/able to do massage inside hotel rooms anymore becos of this incident. That race already got a no-good name in indonesia (most girls in Batam dont like to serve them), i guess this incident just turn their already bad name badder.

Poor girl (the victim) even have to lose her job due to the gang-rape incident.

Solo massage girl who wish to do in-room massage can also choose to reject customer too, eg if they found more than ONE guy inside the room. I mean the hotel wont blame them if they reject those customers.

Indonesia police (or uniformed authorities) is one of the people i FEARED most in Batam.

i came back to SG while ice they all still in batam but i went back again few days later for another 2d1n & just got back. Just updating some info for u...

M1 hotel new price list as request by u :

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Thank you bro. Very useful info to me.

Cheers!

Bring a few friends to New Spa to entertain them & since bro nono1973 ask me help him get the latest price list, so here it is..

224779

1 HJ with 1.5 hr massage = 383k
2 HJ with 1.5 hr massage = 403k
2 HJ with 1.5 hr massage + hot & cold treatment = 453k

Extend 45 mins = 212k

Price stated is all after 30% disc.

Free use of facilities like hot/cold pool, sauna & O2 room; there would be other promotion on April,according to the GROs ,so price i share might varies.

Note that cashier staffs cannot openly tell u the package price now, when u are not committed to even taking the facilities deal. They will refer guest to the 6th floor to talk to a GRO who would do all the explanation. They knew abt the raids if not careful or when they become too popular. The hotel took down most of New Spa 's banner from their web too.

Personal advise, don't bother taking up the 383k package even when u can only manage to release once since the difference is only 20k & since bro nono1973 says he's paying my bill when i mail him the receipt, so i took up the most exp 453k package without thinking.

Thanks again, hope you got the receipt from the cashier,hehehe...i hear that there will be new packages coming out soon during April. Hopefully not too highend. :p

This is another piece of good quality info to add to my vault,hehehe... ;)

Do keep me posted again.

nitecrawllerr

08-04-2019, 02:02 PM

Hahahaha I'm not associated with them. :p but been there once though ;)

Its ok. Tot can get some special rate/discount fm ur goodself if u are related to them.:D

nitecrawllerr

08-04-2019, 02:08 PM

I dont speak bahasa, hence i cannot dial a Grab or Go-Car. ;)

U been cheonging Btm regularly since the day u joined the forum.. 6 years ago. U dont speak bahasa...till now? Quite hard to believe...judging fm all the precious info u have gathered and shared here. One might assume u able to speak at least colloquial bahasa. Salute u!:D

Black Page

08-04-2019, 04:50 PM

U diff. Cos u AMDK. Haha...*kiddin*:D

True, i get shouted at countless times by taxi touts becos of this. Some even threatened me (its a 100% threatening tone,even when i dont understand what they said).

Indeed, I simply ignore ojek or taxi drivers if they follow me and I don't need one. After my first "NO", it's their call to insist.
And I did not mind to shout back louder than him and literally send to Hell a driver out of Newton, who tried to ask me to pay 70k to go to Formosa with girl.
I suggest people, even the most shy Chinese Singaporeans, to be less shy and more firm when dealing with drivers who behave inappropriately.

HeatguyAlvin

08-04-2019, 07:52 PM

:confused: I have always my hp in hand, writing or reading messages or playing, and I do it standing or walking in front of taxi drivers. I simply do not mind about them.

my virgin experience using Grab there i blur, i took out my phone to match the car license, poor driver kenna harassed and they kept shouting at me and starting kicking that guys car. :mad:

Security guards came out then they stopped abit. I called for the hotel transport instead and went from another exit. cause i humji

Still feel real bad about the incident.

mygirly

08-04-2019, 08:14 PM

HarryPopGer

09-04-2019, 11:26 AM

nitecrawllerr

09-04-2019, 12:20 PM

Those who met him would know...he is being modest lah

Yes. I tot so too. :D

seabass

09-04-2019, 07:57 PM

:confused: I have always my hp in hand, writing or reading messages or playing, and I do it standing or walking in front of taxi drivers. I simply do not mind about them.

I always ojek around nagoya, sometimes futher. It is less than a dollar

cleyeo

09-04-2019, 10:03 PM

I always ojek around nagoya, sometimes futher. It is less than a dollar

you can survive with their damn dirty helmet ?. I tried one, I just couldnt have it on my head !! It was just tooooo dirty...

BFOMF5

09-04-2019, 10:27 PM

FYI
Top100 Penuin re-opened.
The building got a new name call
Grand Batam Mall.

Black Page

09-04-2019, 10:28 PM

I always ojek around nagoya, sometimes futher. It is less than a dollar
Ojek is my way of moving around in Batam, if not on foot.
They are everywhere at any time, always ready. Very convenient.
I try to take ojek also from Newton to Formosa if I am with a girl (some girls will want a taxi). If I am alone I prefer to walk.

milfmilf

10-04-2019, 12:56 AM

you can survive with their damn dirty helmet ?. I tried one, I just couldnt have it on my head !! It was just tooooo dirty...

bring along hotel shower cap :D

seabass

10-04-2019, 10:04 AM

bring along hotel shower cap :D

:D darn stinky! But I am all weather person. Raining, mud from the mud guard sprayed on the calves of my legs, balancing one or two carton of tiger etc... won’t deter me from going local. If you know the routes, getting onto non aircon vans costing 4,000 rp per trip also can. U got to tahan the clove cigarette smell then can. When you start taking sampan taxi, then you have arrived in Riau islands

letsbonkon

10-04-2019, 01:09 PM

Hi guys. Travelling to batam to enjoy over the weekend. A friend recommended Square Club. Any bros been there? Can give some pointers on the damage and quality of girls? TIA

BFOMF5

10-04-2019, 02:16 PM

:D darn stinky! But I am all weather person. Raining, mud from the mud guard sprayed on the calves of my legs, balancing one or two carton of tiger etc... won’t deter me from going local. If you know the routes, getting onto non aircon vans costing 4,000 rp per trip also can. U got to tahan the clove cigarette smell then can. When you start taking sampan taxi, then you have arrived in Riau islands
555 you must b the "batu" generation.
BTW now colorfull van cost 6k.
In contrast anow got air con bus cost only 4k. Sit until pantat sakit.:D

mygirly

10-04-2019, 03:44 PM

FYI
Top100 Penuin re-opened.
The building got a new name call
Grand Batam Mall.

Yes, only the basement shops re opened.

nono1973

10-04-2019, 04:21 PM

U been cheonging Btm regularly since the day u joined the forum.. 6 years ago. U dont speak bahasa...till now? Quite hard to believe...judging fm all the precious info u have gathered and shared here. One might assume u able to speak at least colloquial bahasa.

I do know a few Malay words from those army commands during NS,i can count from 1 to 5 in Malay,and some basic words like Makan, Konkek..which is about there. In Batam, i learned a few other words like Gratis, tutup and buka tho.

My friends used to tell me, the fastest way to learn indo bahasa is getting an Indonesian girlfriend,talk to her via sms,wechat,watsapp etc and when i need to reply to her message, i will need to google translate and hence start picking from a few words to one single sentence.

Apparently, i didnt heed their good advice and today, i am still at where i am when i 1st started Batam,hehehe...also why i am eyeing at a good digital voice translator to solve my (not-a) problem.

https://sbf.net.nz/showthread.php?p=18423165&highlight=digital+voice+translator#post18423165

Those who met him would know...he is being modest lah

The friends who knew me in person would also know that i cant order food from food store if there are no picture on their shopfront,hehehe...unless i am ordering only nasi ayam or nasi goreng. The same apply for drinks too, my limitation for drinks is only up till Lasegar and Teh Botel.

The guy from a coffee shop can come and take my order for drinks which i do not understand what he try to tell me, i will just tell them lasegar lychee...and if they tell me lychee no stock (i still dont understand what he says), then i will be stuck there, almosy tongue-tight. I will only reply , "Teh Botel" regardless what he tries to tell me. And i am not drinking anything if they do not have stock for Teh Botel.

Which is the reason why the joke about 2 years ago comes about,hehehe..

I visit J2 food court some 2 years back with some friends, i try to order few pieces of fried bananas (like those below)...

http://imagehost.cc/images/2019/04/10/banana1.jpg

...end up what turns up on a my food table was a few plates of fried bananas,like the photo below :

http://imagehost.cc/images/2019/04/10/banana2.jpg

All of us couldnt finish the food,end up i have to pack 4 out of 5 plates of the above and bring it back for the hotel security guards to eat.

All of us got a shock when the fried banana 1st arrived on our table, all of us laughed when we left J2 food court. This is something to remember by. :o

nono1973

10-04-2019, 04:24 PM

Is it a must to tip the cewek although we have paid like 300k to 400k to the management? Suddenly i feel guilty :D

I follow the Singapore KTV on this one, girl come into room, girl no good, tell mami change, i dont tip (our group tip mami quite a lot most time). Girl changed,if girl is good (or passable), i tip end of night. If still no good, after rejecting, i dont bother to change anymore (usually will take other girls from other mami/s).

It wouldnt be fair if the girl already sat with me whole night (w/o hanky panky) and gets nothing at all tho. But if the girl who sat with me whole night (for those on a per hour basis one in Singapore), i usually only tip when they are good enough and dont tip at all when i already have in mind that i wont be calling back the same girl again the next time i visit,hehehe... :D

Above were standard i set for myself in KTVs with hostesses, other bros may varies.

nono1973

10-04-2019, 05:02 PM

And I did not mind to shout back louder than him and literally send to Hell a driver out of Newton, who tried to ask me to pay 70k to go to Formosa with girl.
I suggest people, even the most shy Chinese Singaporeans, to be less shy and more firm when dealing with drivers who behave inappropriately.

I wouldnt shout back. To me, i treat it like a "Dog-Bite",if a dog bit me, i surely wouldnt have that kind of mentality to choose to bite back for sure.

My dad's exact word to me when i was a kid, "if a dog try to bite you, you also try to bite back the dog meh?"

You beat me,i beat you back, these are all child's play to me today. You beat me, if i have no confidence to do what i wish to do to you,i simply walk off and ignore you totally. But if i have that "confidence" (or a good chance), i wont beat you back either.

I kill you.

my virgin experience using Grab there i blur, i took out my phone to match the car license, poor driver kenna harassed and they kept shouting at me and starting kicking that guys car. :mad:

Security guards came out then they stopped abit. I called for the hotel transport instead and went from another exit. cause i humji

Still feel real bad about the incident.

Sorry i need to quote your post, i do it becos i need to.

I have never have that problem when ordering Grab/Go-Car before but i see such issue on youtube and i feel for them. My point is, there is no need to kick up a fuss and go violence. The one who play violence 1st is the one on the wrong side of morality.

BFOMF5

10-04-2019, 09:46 PM

Yes, only the basement shops re opened.
Lucky draw
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Prizes
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Montigo

10-04-2019, 09:51 PM

Above were standard i set for myself in KTVs with hostesses, other bros may varies.

Appreciate your views bro. Yea maybe next time I should donate some $ to the cewek. The last ktv i went was at M2, and when I saw the bill they charged 400K for one girl. But the service charge was so damn expensive.

Black Page

10-04-2019, 10:00 PM

Hi guys. Travelling to batam to enjoy over the weekend. A friend recommended Square Club. Any bros been there? Can give some pointers on the damage and quality of girls? TIA

There is a nice function on SBF: "Search This Thread".
I found this:
https://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=17963240&postcount=11989

BFOMF5

10-04-2019, 10:27 PM

... there is no need to kick up a fuss and go violence. The one who play violence 1st is the one on the wrong side of morality.
I don't think we passengers and the grab/Go-car drivers will kick up the fuss.
The "local" driver will...
I believed that the grab/go car drivers are the target of the "local" driver.

We got to understand that that local drivers have to pay the landlord to operate exclusively.

retirebatam

11-04-2019, 01:04 AM

1. Ready S$48, go to Harbour Front buy a ferry ticket go Batam ,take a taxi at 30k rupiah from Harbour Bay to Formosa hotel if you are staying over.

One thing I find it strange when take the EZY taxi 30k rupiah to any part of nagoya is that 3 times I took the 30k taxi, 3 times they use the taxi with front crack windscreen.

I wonder is it because of the crack windscreen of the taxi thats why EZY taxi charge so cheap 30k or is it because it is coincident that they have many crack windcsreen taxi? Anybody know about this? :)

fde83

11-04-2019, 11:49 AM

is it because it is coincident that they have many crack windcsreen taxi? Anybody know about this? :)

Maybe they drove fast and when a fly hit, it manage to crack the windscreen.

HeatguyAlvin

11-04-2019, 08:45 PM

I don't think we passengers and the grab/Go-car drivers will kick up the fuss.
The "local" driver will...
I believed that the grab/go car drivers are the target of the "local" driver.

We got to understand that that local drivers have to pay the landlord to operate exclusively.

that's the problem there lor. the "local" drivers are so used to the high fees we pay for the transportation there they can don't do much and tag around with you just for the few trips you travel out and have enough for the day. The mere presence of Grab or GoJek threatens their livelihood of lesser trips/more money per day.

Lepak one corner and smoke till you are done with dinner also can. Cause x3,x4 gojek/grab prices.

miumiu6464

11-04-2019, 08:50 PM

All the more should support Gojek and Grab drivers. Hardworking folks with lower income per assignment.

davidlah

11-04-2019, 08:53 PM

I thought maybe I would share a different info for not so newbie bros who might venture into normal everyday life ceweks instead of pay per play type. Instead of just WL, Batam do offers their own version of girl next door working in offices.

I categorised the ladies into 3, the poor, the worker bees, and the well to do.

1) The poor, if you date them, these ceweks will appreciate any kind of monetary help from you, be it payment for sex or "taxi fare" reimbursement. They like a good treat like a meal or some affordable gifts. Some works in shady places like massage parlour and pubs, some in other areas of Batam doing nothing or doing very very low paid job. You are expected to pay for everything when they go out with you, but if you do have sex with them, at least give "taxi money" to them, 200k to 500k. Some bisyar ceweks and freelancers, part time or full time fall into this category.

2) The busy worker bees; these ceweks have jobs and may not be available during weekdays, but you can still date them after work or during weekend. You are still expected to pay for their meals, and a simple request to watch tv in your hotel room is good enough excuse to bring them into the room. Otherwise you can give lame excuses like ordering food using go food and eat in the room. The trick is to make them comfortable enough to be with you,and this is not too difficult as long as you are polite and considerate. Some girls drive the motobike and you can explore their bodies on the motobike... Errm correction, you can explore batam city using the motobike, hahaha.

3) The well to do; Batam well to do girls normally drive a car, both cheap or expensive. Batam have no COE, so if they are well off enough, they or their families can afford a car. I prefer dating these girls, they still eat at local places but would not insists you pay all the time, they will offer to pay some of the time although not all the time. If sex happen, you should not pay them, cos they will feel you disrespect them if you do. Dont even offer "taxi money", they drive a car hahahahah. With her car, both of you can explore most areas of Batam and even have hanky panky in the car if she is fine with it. The well off girls of Batam are not as stuck up as Jakarta girls and they are normally friendly and will treat you as exotic foreigners the same way that our Singapore sarong party girls treat the bule(angmoh). The good thing is that some chinese batam girls falls into this category along side with local immigrants like the Javanese, Sundanese etc, they are prettier too.

4) Bonus info on Indonesian normal girls: If you find the Indonesian girls are very service oriented and like to please, you will find that having normal girls as friends with benefits, the girls will try to please you in bed even though she is not experienced enough. Just be polite (ramah tamah), be patience (sabar) and teach her how to do it.

Now for the negative aspects. Your patience will be stretch waiting for your indonesian ceweks, they are often not in time. If you arrange to meet them at 1pm and you actually arrived late at 1.30 pm. You will find out later that she is still at home and need to shower first before getting ready to dress up to meet you. She will turn up at 3 pm. So be very patient hahahah.

Hope these info helps and if you do date Batam girls, you can improve your Bahasa Indonesia and expand your pool of girls in big numbers to include those girls who cant speak English. You can navigate further too and include cities beyond Batam and Jakarta.