Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

[bochapsing]

i think if ngog leaves, then we likely to sign a back up striker...

but i have reservation abt bellamy, he's definitely not the best teammate you would like to have in ur team... and giving tat king kenny has successfully build up our team spirit after the all time low during uncle roy & cowboys times, i would like him to stay away from our dressing room...

[rahl]

Bloodsuckers Singtel! Have to pay for Goal TV.

Raul injured, Carroll on.

Suarez finishes after goalie flaps at cross. 1-0.

HT 1-0, Suarez has been the standout, but otherwise, Exeter has stood up well in the game.

[rahl]

Another break, Suarez cuts the ball back to Maxi, who taps it in. 2-0.

Suarez gets the ball and advances, lays it off to Carroll, who smashes a left-footed shot from the edge of the box. 3-0.

It's all Suarez.

Skrtel sticks out a foot and gives away a penalty. Reina beaten. 3-1

[rahl]

3-1 FT. Suarez's show. Good to see Carroll score but his linkup play is still rusty.

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Just to share this piece of news, although i do not really like to share untruth reports as none spokemans from both parties speak, what the hell..just share :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14664761.stm

[SH149]

Just to share this piece of news, although i do not really like to share untruth reports as none spokemans from both parties speak, what the hell..just share :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14664761.stm

If he return just make sure dun issue him with an golf stick :D
But free transfer again ? Dun we have enough lesson on players that comes with free transfer

[francined69]

Raul is out for a few weeks due to collarbone injury, that's disappointing news.

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

If he return just make sure dun issue him with an golf stick :D
But free transfer again ? Dun we have enough lesson on players that comes with free transfer

Previously when he was at Anfield, i think he was quite a good player, we lack the tough tackling midfield with SG out last season and now Raul is out for unknown period - if he really does come (5 more days tough before window closes) should be a good addtion to the squad.

Btw, tomorrow you coming? :D

[SH149]

Previously when he was at Anfield, i think he was quite a good player, we lack the tough tackling midfield with SG out last season and now Raul is out for unknown period - if he really does come (5 more days tough before window closes) should be a good addtion to the squad.

Btw, tomorrow you coming? :D

Tmr ? Go where I have no idea le ?!

[beck7777]

din watch him played in copa n know nothing abt him too....

but from some clips and stats (196cm, 90kg), he is quite a giant...!!!!

i think he is not the ball playing type of defender, but rather a traditional no-nonsense type of central defender... thou he is not lightning fast, he isn't exactly slow too...

he's very highly rated and many top clubs are reportedly after him.... just glad tat we got him...

Did watch Copa A and he indeed caught my eyes!

True that he's not much of a ball playing defender but the perfect replacement for Jamie C..

Latest news is he's on his way to England but to Anfield or Man C, I have no idea yet..

It would be good to have him though! :D

[The Milk Man]

Did watch Copa A and he indeed caught my eyes!

True that he's not much of a ball playing defender but the perfect replacement for Jamie C..

Latest news is he's on his way to England but to Anfield or Man C, I have no idea yet..

It would be good to have him though!



Sebastian Coates - the "Lumbering Giant" of Uruguay ! :D

Nationcal has accepted a bid of 7 million from Liverpool for their giant defender..... the deal is expected to be confirmed pending a medical at Anfield within the next 48 hrs.

Andi Carroll is the current tallest player in the LFC squad but Sebastian will take over that role as he is even taller.

Nicknamed the "Lumbering Giant" for his height and clumsiness..... he makes up for his lack of speed with an uncanny excellent reading of the game and a robust no nonsense approach.

An excellent reader of the game, good in the air, cool under pressure, enjoys manhandling opposition attackers, his style is so similar to another LFC defender........ the legendary Sami Hypia.

$7 million is a bargain for such a quality defender ! :p
If only there is a magic potion to improve on his speed.

And he kept Aguero and Messi silent during the recently concluded COPA tournament!! :D

[Hurricane88]

Tonight Liv vs Bol...:p

think 3 points in the bag...??...anyone disagree...:confused:

Ny predictions

Liv 3 Bol 0

[The Milk Man]

Tonight Liv vs Bol...:p

think 3 points in the bag...??...anyone disagree...:confused:

Ny predictions

Liv 3 Bol 0

I think Liverpool will nick it but dun expect an easy game....... KD's boys will have to work hard for the win.

Bolton is in free scoring form and their team's forte is teamwork....... hope Liverpool can take advantage of the fact that Bolton will be without 5 first team regulars for tonite's game...... but even then I say the winning margin is by the odd goal or two only.

My prediction :- Liverpool 3 Bolton 2 :p

[KangTuo]

Ny predictions

Liv 3 Bol 0

hope to get clean sheet but Kevin Davies is dangrous
if i remember correctly, Davies has a good scoring record against liverpool :(

[SH149]

I think Liverpool will nick it but dun expect an easy game....... KD's boys will have to work hard for the win.

Bolton is in free scoring form and their team's forte is teamwork....... hope Liverpool can take advantage of the fact that Bolton will be without 5 first team regulars for tonite's game...... but even then I say the winning margin is by the odd goal or two only.

My prediction :- Liverpool 3 Bolton 2 :p

Hehe here I come again
Liverpool 3 - 1 Bolton
Anyone with me ? :D

[The Milk Man]

hope to get clean sheet but Kevin Davies is dangrous
if i remember correctly, Davies has a good scoring record against liverpool :(

Last season Bolton were dependant on Kevin Davis and Daniel Sturridge for their goals........ DS has oredi returned to Chelsea this season but Bolton's playing style has changed...... this time they dun depend so much on the frontman anymore and so far these past 2 months their goals have come from all over........ every midfielder is capable of scoring if given the opportunity...... I think Owen Coyle has drilled into them to shoot at every opportunity ;)

Jamie Carragher and company will be kept very busy tonite...... unlikely Liverpool can keep a clean sheet and Klasnic is in scorching hot form...... 7 goals in 3 games !!

[bochapsing]

Liverpool have confirmed the transfer of Emiliano Insua to Sporting Lisbon.

The Argentine left-back has signed a five-year deal with the Portuguese club.


good luck...!!!

transfer fee is not disclosed. hope we din sell him on the cheap..

[terror03]

Full time at Anfield, Liverpool 3 - 1 Bolton.

[naemlo]

Liverpool is back.... 3-1.

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Hehe here I come again
Liverpool 3 - 1 Bolton
Anyone with me ? :D

Nnkc, u got it right again :D

Performance summary only two words : Total Domination :cool:

[SH149]

Nnkc, u got it right again :D

Performance summary only two words : Total Domination :cool:

Hehe paisei paisei
Last year no matter how I try always miss but this year ..... Huat Ah !!

Liverpool Boleh :D

[rahl]

The team passing against Bolton blew me away, that was the greatest pleasure for me.

[joew2005]

a win is a win ... the most important thing is the 3 more points in the bag.
consistence is a must,in order 2 be up there @ the end of the day.

[francined69]

Fantastic display from the whole Liverpool team. Luis Suarez should have scored though.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

Luiz Suarez worked his socks off last night but I feel he have a tendency to go down too easily. Thou there was the case for a legitimate penalty when he was actually brought down by Zac Knight. Referee did a poor job, getting in the way of play twice and missing out on a few legitimate claims. But overall it was great to see the new players settling in. Hope they can keep the momentum going for the next few matches.

[Hurricane88]

Liverpool is back.... 3-1.

yes liv are a force now...

Hehe here I come again
Liverpool 3 - 1 Bolton
Anyone with me ? :D

good prediction...well 3 points in the bag and we top table till Manchester teams playing...:p

Enjoyed the game so much...if we played this way in all our games then it should be really interesting where we stand by Xmas...:p

BTW, we still had SG and GJ to come back to the team...really glad they are not involved in europa league this season...really can train and rest well...:)

[bochapsing]

Good win.. A clean sheet will be perfect..:p
Was actually bit of worried tat "history" of sunderland might repeat itself after we only able to go into the break with a 1-0 lead after dominating the 1st half...
Good to see both henderson n adam got off the mark, esp henderson, it'll give him a big boost in confidence after under pressure of his hugh price tag from the media n some fans..
Hope kelly will recover during tis international break, he is really unlucky with injuries.. I think tis is the 2nd time he injured himself juz when he was expected to b called up to england senior squad..
Think of we still have merieles, gerrard n johnson to be back from injuries...can't wait for the next match...
We're BACK...!!!!!! YNWA

[hawksbay]

yes liv are a force now...



good prediction...well 3 points in the bag and we top table till Manchester teams playing...:p

Enjoyed the game so much...if we played this way in all our games then it should be really interesting where we stand by Xmas...:p

BTW, we still had SG and GJ to come back to the team...really glad they are not involved in europa league this season...really can train and rest well...:)

well that is the key to the season,no europa league is the best thing for us,we were awesome last nite< bolton are always a hard team to paly against.

[hawksbay]

http://dai.ly/o4bN6z balls of all balls :D suarez was awesome.

[francined69]

Bellamy signs for Hotspur

[too_hot]

Hate to say it but u look at the 2 manchesters yesterday and i have to admit we are still FAR FAR away. For city, they spent a lot (so did we, actually) so maybe nothing so special but look at man u, no spectacular purchases (no disrespect to ashley young) but they played so well.

I think 3rd place is realistic for us and will still be an achievement as we would be finishing above chelski.

[francined69]

Hate to say it but u look at the 2 manchesters yesterday and i have to admit we are still FAR FAR away. For city, they spent a lot (so did we, actually) so maybe nothing so special but look at man u, no spectacular purchases (no disrespect to ashley young) but they played so well.

I think 3rd place is realistic for us and will still be an achievement as we would be finishing above chelski.

agree the 2 manchester teams are very impressive but season is still young. man u backline looks weak. would like to see how they fare against chelsea.

[pikachu]

bro, let me share my opinion.

Arsenal made manchester united look good. i think any mid table team can win "that" arsenal team last night. I felt sad for them. Hope AW can pick up afew good players before the tf window closes.

but it is really impressive for MC to beat spurs at their own yard. does that prove $ can buy you success? looks like now.

YNWA..cheers..

[rahl]

bro, let me share my opinion.

Arsenal made manchester united look good. i think any mid table team can win "that" arsenal team last night. I felt sad for them. Hope AW can pick up afew good players before the tf window closes.

but it is really impressive for MC to beat spurs at their own yard. does that prove $ can buy you success? looks like now.

YNWA..cheers..

Good point. I think Fergie gives the young players self-belief, but the Scum team as it is now can be pinned down and controlled. Wait till they meet City or Chelsea.

City has spent a bomb to create a top class frontline. Silva is class and their key player. But if the frontline is unavailable, their backup is not so good - Tevez is class of course but Adam Johnson etc are decidedly below Silva and Nasri.

[hawksbay]

Hate to say it but u look at the 2 manchesters yesterday and i have to admit we are still FAR FAR away. For city, they spent a lot (so did we, actually) so maybe nothing so special but look at man u, no spectacular purchases (no disrespect to ashley young) but they played so well.

I think 3rd place is realistic for us and will still be an achievement as we would be finishing above chelski.

any team wld have beaten arsenal that nite,its city we have to worry abt cos they have purchase palyers with only one thing in mind to win the premiership,u can say they when out and bought players but they still have to go out there and play thier socks off to win games.anyway we are still off the pace in the challenge for the premiership.maybe a CL place might beckon.the question is can we hang on to suarez,come jan the vultures will be out in full force.

[omnia]

actually attack wise i dont think the Reds r that far off the red n blue Mancs...Adams, Henderson n Downing seem to be fitting in just fine n Suarez well he speaks for himself...n the 'old guard' like Kuyt seem to be doing just fine...the only Q in attack now is Carroll...hope it is just the issue of him getting back to full fitness n putting his injury well behind him...if Carroll can justify his 35m pound price tag n wack in them goals like Shearer then i think the attack wld be just abt rt, wif good options available...Kenny needs to give this lad the confidence to make the fit...

however what really worries me is the holding midfield n defence...Lucas to me still looks dodgy n i do not hv that much confidence in our back four apart fm Enrique, who has been another excellent buy by Kenny...Carra really looks past it, Johnson looks dodgy defending, Kelly/Skertel/Agger dont seem to exude confidence defending...set pieces/high balls/corners all worry me...will Coates provide stability n confidence?...i hope so...

EPL finishing?...well wif the amount of $$$ given to Kenny, i sld think a CL qualification place is a minimum requirement...realistically no one expects the Reds to win the EPL this season but a top 4 finish is a must if not i think Kenny wld n sld be under great pressure to leave...other silverware wld just be an added bonus...

as for Chelsea...i think they may not be that easy push overs afterall...Mata appears to be an excellent buy just going by the 20 odd mins he had on the pitch...also he cld well be the chap to rejuvenate Torres..AVB also appears to need a little more time to get his chaps going n i think he shall get there sooner rather than later...

and the Gooners...i wld not write them off so soon either...Arsene may hv his faults but going by his track record it is still early days...think the crash at Old T is a one off...

also interesting to c which other teams apart fm say Spurs can make a sustained push in the top 6 this season...
Hate to say it but u look at the 2 manchesters yesterday and i have to admit we are still FAR FAR away. For city, they spent a lot (so did we, actually) so maybe nothing so special but look at man u, no spectacular purchases (no disrespect to ashley young) but they played so well.

I think 3rd place is realistic for us and will still be an achievement as we would be finishing above chelski.

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/950859/chelsea-fail-in-player-plus-cash-raul-meireles-bid?cc=4716

Damn, trying to get our prize asset, much as i like Yossi even till now, but since he left for Chelsea, we should just move on.

Glad that our club realised this as well :D

[rahl]

actually attack wise i dont think the Reds r that far off the red n blue Mancs...Adams, Henderson n Downing seem to be fitting in just fine n Suarez well he speaks for himself...n the 'old guard' like Kuyt seem to be doing just fine...the only Q in attack now is Carroll...hope it is just the issue of him getting back to full fitness n putting his injury well behind him...if Carroll can justify his 35m pound price tag n wack in them goals like Shearer then i think the attack wld be just abt rt, wif good options available...Kenny needs to give this lad the confidence to make the fit...

however what really worries me is the holding midfield n defence...Lucas to me still looks dodgy n i do not hv that much confidence in our back four apart fm Enrique, who has been another excellent buy by Kenny...Carra really looks past it, Johnson looks dodgy defending, Kelly/Skertel/Agger dont seem to exude confidence defending...set pieces/high balls/corners all worry me...will Coates provide stability n confidence?...i hope so...



It's not necessary about Carroll himself. We can learn from City - they have a similar centre forward but this season, they have been patient, they have played the ball wide, exchanged passes in midfield, and provided excellent crosses. Carroll has often struggled because we have also been too eager to swing the ball at him. We need to play the ball around to get behind the full back where we can unsettle the defence.

I think you worry too much about defending. I agree our defending leaves a lot to be desired. But it's a matter of balance. Attack more, defence weaker, that's normal. The same players you mentioned defended brilliantly under Rafa, cos the team was built to not concede and lose. We just need to get the balance right.

[SH149]

Latest news but how true I'm not sure

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=950945&leagueTag=ENG.1&lang=EN&leagueTag=ENG.1&top

[beck7777]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/951095/uruguay-defender-sebastian-coates-completes-liverpool-switch?cc=4716

Finally! Lets welcome him to Anfield!:D

A short review on how good he is...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story/_/id/948471/sam-kelly:-coates-faction-guaranteed-for-liverpool?cc=4716

[HokkienPeng]

Sebastian Coates officially signed on a long term contract. He shares the same birthday as the great Sammy hyypia.

Liverpool agrees terms to let Poulsen go. All it needs is he to agree terms.

Joe Cole have agreed a loan move to Lille on a year deal.

[rahl]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/951095/uruguay-defender-sebastian-coates-completes-liverpool-switch?cc=4716

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And Poulsen is leaving!

I'm very impressed with the departures, getting rid of the deadwood. We used to hope and hope every season they will get better.

Cole seems to be joining Poulsen in France too.

Now a striker left to sign!

[SH149]

And Poulsen is leaving!

I'm very impressed with the departures, getting rid of the deadwood. We used to hope and hope every season they will get better.

Cole seems to be joining Poulsen in France too.

Now a striker left to sign!

U r correct now only left 1 more striker but the Nogg yet to transfer to Bolton :(

[too_hot]

actually attack wise i dont think the Reds r that far off the red n blue Mancs...Adams, Henderson n Downing seem to be fitting in just fine n Suarez well he speaks for himself...n the 'old guard' like Kuyt seem to be doing just fine...the only Q in attack now is Carroll...hope it is just the issue of him getting back to full fitness n putting his injury well behind him...if Carroll can justify his 35m pound price tag n wack in them goals like Shearer then i think the attack wld be just abt rt, wif good options available...Kenny needs to give this lad the confidence to make the fit...



Wat impressed me most abt both the mancs is how fast their new players are playing like they've been there forever. Ashley Young and Nasri in particular. Torres until now can't adapt properly at chelsea (mata already score on this debut).

For us, suarez definitely no problem. Adam also quite good. Downing and Henderson, though not bad, but can't compare to the impact young and nasri are making. I am not criticising our players, rather i wonder how come young and nasri can adapt so damn fast. Nasri joined city only 1 or 2 days before that match and if i didn't know better he was playing better than when at arsenal - and he had that happy look on his face the old time. Torres still doesn't seem happy at chelsea....

I definitely expect us to finish minimum 4th but 3rd is the real target.

[bochapsing]

sorry.. repeated post..

[bochapsing]

coates in, poulsen out.

yes!! 2 great deals in a day. :D

think we'll see few more in the last day of transfer window (out-ngog? cole? in-a anthr striker?)... :rolleyes:

surprise surprise... tis year it'll be arsenal the busiest during the last days of the window... :p

[beck7777]

coates in, poulsen out.

yes!! 2 great deals in a day. :D

think we'll see few more in the last day of transfer window (out-ngog? cole? in-a anthr striker?)... :rolleyes:

surprise surprise... tis year it'll be arsenal the busiest during the last days of the window... :p

I believe we might have one more in/out transfer..

Chelski will bid again for Meireles with Daniel Sturridge in exchange, which I personally think will be an offer too good to refuse!

Meireles is obviously not in King K 1st eleven plans, and with us selling Ngog, Daniel will be a very good backup for Suarez and Carroll.

We earn $$$ and have good players, great! :D

[rahl]

For us, suarez definitely no problem. Adam also quite good. Downing and Henderson, though not bad, but can't compare to the impact young and nasri are making. I am not criticising our players, rather i wonder how come young and nasri can adapt so damn fast. Nasri joined city only 1 or 2 days before that match and if i didn't know better he was playing better than when at arsenal - and he had that happy look on his face the old time. Torres still doesn't seem happy at chelsea....

I definitely expect us to finish minimum 4th but 3rd is the real target.

Young has been very lucky with his goals. Downing, let's be fair, he must have had 5 shots on target (plus 2 against the goal) in his matches so far. He has been unlucky.

But I like the way Downing pops up on the wings and shoots.

Henderson has improved since Sunderland.

Nasri, only 1 match so too early to judge.

Torres, yes, he's been utter piss.

[The Milk Man]

Sebastian Coates officially signed on a long term contract. He shares the same birthday as the great Sammy hyypia.


Such a strange co-incidence :)
Not only does he share the same birthday....... his playing style is an exact carbon copy of the Great SH. :D

[tuyet]

A short clip of our latest signing Sebastien Coates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q8MRtTYudA&feature=related

Indeed a giant player, won alot of headers and composed enuff to get the balls out of danger areas :D Great!

[terror03]

Yes, Cole had left to Lille on loan for the season.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/951228/lille-sign-liverpool-midfielder-joe-cole-on-loan?cc=4716


And Poulsen is leaving!

I'm very impressed with the departures, getting rid of the deadwood. We used to hope and hope every season they will get better.

Cole seems to be joining Poulsen in France too.

Now a striker left to sign!

[omnia]

perhaps...but to me Carroll has thus far looked slow, sluggish n mising that special spark that all quality CF/Striker's hv in them...especially a 35m pound CF/Striker...

It's not necessary about Carroll himself. We can learn from City - they have a similar centre forward but this season, they have been patient, they have played the ball wide, exchanged passes in midfield, and provided excellent crosses. Carroll has often struggled because we have also been too eager to swing the ball at him. We need to play the ball around to get behind the full back where we can unsettle the defence..

u r rt abt the balance thinggy...however in the present case, i think the balance is abit too off for my liking...oh n Rafa's time is now in the past...anyways the real test shall be agst the Big 3...i hope the back 4 shall be abit more balanced n settled by then...also look fwd to the return of Stevie G...


I think you worry too much about defending. I agree our defending leaves a lot to be desired. But it's a matter of balance. Attack more, defence weaker, that's normal. The same players you mentioned defended brilliantly under Rafa, cos the team was built to not concede and lose. We just need to get the balance right.

[SH149]

Yes, Cole had left to Lille on loan for the season.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/951228/lille-sign-liverpool-midfielder-joe-cole-on-loan?cc=4716

One more dead wood to go Ngog !!!

[bochapsing]

One more dead wood to go Ngog !!!

u have left out the ultimate super dead wood ----- deggen!!! :eek::eek:

hope j cole loan to lille gives us a head start if they decide to sell hazard one day... :D:D

hope raul stays....

interesting last few hours of the window....

[SH149]

u have left out the ultimate super dead wood ----- deggen!!! :eek::eek:

hope j cole loan to lille gives us a head start if they decide to sell hazard one day... :D:D

interesting last few hours of the window....

Oh yes I almost forget this fellow - the ultimate super dead wood !!!

[rahl]

u have left out the ultimate super dead wood ----- deggen!!!

Shit you spoilt my day hehe - can we offer Deggen FOC to Sengkang?

[SH149]

Was wondering why we bought this dead wood at the first place

Rafa seems like to be a carpenter as he brought in quite a numbers of dead wood

[bochapsing]

dun see sengkang no up hor..
norwich city skipper grant holt (who scored against chelsea last week) used to play for sengkang le...
dun pray pray...

:p:p:p

[Xgenre]

Degen's contract got terminated. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/degen-leaves-reds Read somewhere that he was in talks with QPR? Bellamy is back although I hoped we would have signed or loaned Adebayor. Wonder if Adebayor is even in the list of 25 for Man City. Not surprised Meireles left. We had tried to sell him earlier in the season, according to reports.

Gone are these deadwood players, Poulsen, Cole, Deegen, Ngog. No more deadwood right? Our squad is stronger in quality and depth.

[SH149]

Degen's contract got terminated. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/degen-leaves-reds Read somewhere that he was in talks with QPR? Bellamy is back although I hoped we would have signed or loaned Adebayor. Wonder if Adebayor is even in the list of 25 for Man City. Not surprised Meireles left. We had tried to sell him earlier in the season, according to reports.

Gone are these deadwood players, Poulsen, Cole, Deegen, Ngog. No more deadwood right? Our squad is stronger in quality and depth.


Among all I really hate to see Meireles left but he hand in a written transfer request
Can understand why he does so as our midfield is congested with Henderson Gerrard Adam Lucas Downing and not forgetting Jay Spearing

Anyway we wish him all the best ( except playing against us )
Also happy to see all the dead wood is out of Anfield n there worth a celebration

[HokkienPeng]

Roman now have invested more money in us than hicks and gillett.

Fuck Raul. To do a torres and hand in a transfer request at the last minute is pure shit. Shows no respect whatsoever to the club. Glad Bellamy is back. He can be more of an impact player than ngog.

[rahl]

Degen's contract got terminated. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/degen-leaves-reds Read somewhere that he was in talks with QPR? Bellamy is back although I hoped we would have signed or loaned Adebayor. Wonder if Adebayor is even in the list of 25 for Man City. Not surprised Meireles left. We had tried to sell him earlier in the season, according to reports.



Thanks for update - didn't know about Degen. I'd stay clear of Adebayor. He has riled every club he's been with and clearly cares only about himself.

Among all I really hate to see Meireles left but he hand in a written transfer request
Can understand why he does so as our midfield is congested with Henderson Gerrard Adam Lucas Downing and not forgetting Jay Spearing

Anyway we wish him all the best ( except playing against us )
Also happy to see all the dead wood is out of Anfield n there worth a celebration

I am gutted and disappointed. Raul would be tough to replace: he is the finished article and let's hope Henderson can fill his boots.

It smacks of Torres all over again and I think Raul wants CL football.

I'm very happy to have Bellars back. I think Rafa's system didn't suit him but Kenny's pass and move will be better for him

Plus will get to enjoy Bellars' bellows at the refs ;)

[GeMiNiZzzzZzz]

Personally i cannot understand the reason of the written trf request to force a move out.
He was our player of the season last year!

There is no way Chelsea is bigger than Liverpool, only reason is for monetary purposes.

He still has to fight it out with the likes of Kalou, Malouda, Mikel, Mata, hope he dont say anything bad against us as i already foresee a hostile reception when chel play at anfield.

Nevertheless, we do have good midfielders now with the inclusion of craig b :D

[SH149]

I think it's the CL n his former coach that lure him to hand over a transfer request cant blame him for that
Compare him to the traitor at least he didnt play with half hearted n hopefully no bad mouth over us
Gerrard will be coming back soon - here's the catch who shall we drop just to fill our captain or he will continue to sit on the bench as KD do not want to break the current team that's impressed so far ?

[Xgenre]

Thanks for update - didn't know about Degen.

You didn't know because it hasn't happened yet when you last posted.

Personally i cannot understand the reason of the written trf request to force a move out.
He was our player of the season last year!

Our player of the season is Lucas actually.

I think it's the CL n his former coach that lure him to hand over a transfer request cant blame him for that

Well, I don't blame him. We did try to sell him earlier on. So Meireles knows he's unwanted. Plus he's playing for a coach he used to play for, in a system that he used to excel in. He's different from Torres. How much did we pay for him last season? Hope we made some money.


Maybe Meireles is leaving for footballing reasons. With KD signing CB (wah.. just realised Craig Bellamy is CB), playing Suarez and Carroll as a partnership, Meireles's chances as a 2nd striker is limited. His chances as a central midfielder is limited too. Hell, I actually think Gerrard isn't guaranteed a slot anymore with the way Charlie Adam is playing. CA passes like Alonso at times..

[SH149]

We bought him at 11.5 sell at 12 some say at 16
Ngog bought at 1.5 sell at 4 so both are not making any losses but profit

[Xgenre]

We bought him at 11.5 sell at 12 some say at 16
Ngog bought at 1.5 sell at 4 so both are not making any losses but profit

We also saved a lot from the reduction in wages for Cole, Jovanovic, Meireles, Deegen, Poulsen, Konchesky, Ngog, Insua, Krygiakos. Wah, really a lot of ins and outs for this season. Maybe this is finally the sunshine after many seasons of stormy weather. I like the positive approach KD is taking for our games.

When we score, he celebrates more than the scorer. It's funny when a player scores and the camera focuses on the manager instead. His routine is to raise both arms, jump on the spot, hug his colleagues. Rafa's goal celebration routine is to look down with a sad face, check his watch for the time, write down something in his notepad (what's there to write ah? don't remember who scores?). Roy Hodgson's goal celebrations...? Hmm, did we score goals under him? :D

[ProfessorOokami]

Our player of the season is Lucas actually.



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Agreed. Lucas the best player for many seasons too ;)

[bochapsing]

Thanks for update - didn't know about Degen. I'd stay clear of Adebayor. He has riled every club he's been with and clearly cares only about himself.

I am gutted and disappointed. Raul would be tough to replace: he is the finished article and let's hope Henderson can fill his boots.

It smacks of Torres all over again and I think Raul wants CL football.

I'm very happy to have Bellars back. I think Rafa's system didn't suit him but Kenny's pass and move will be better for him

Plus will get to enjoy Bellars' bellows at the refs

for 2nd consecutive transfer window tat chelsea sabo us....
hate to see raul go, but he handed in transfer request meaning his heart is no longer here, so no point keeping him...
only gutted tat we get only 12mil for him, as reportde. should have squeeze chelsea more, as they r desperate...

good luck to ngog, hope we have inserted a buy-back option in the deal, juz in case..
he was never going to be our 1st choice striker, but he always tried his best when he was throw into the 1st team trying to cover for injured torres, one of the best striker or at least used to be one..

welcome back bellamy, hope he stays away from any trouble and he is definitely a useful impact player from the bench..

i think with the departure of degen, we have gotten rid of all our deadwoods... except brad jones (is he still with us?)

[SH149]

for 2nd consecutive transfer window tat chelsea sabo us....
hate to see raul go, but he handed in transfer request meaning his heart is no longer here, so no point keeping him...
only gutted tat we get only 12mil for him, as reportde. should have squeeze chelsea more, as they r desperate...

good luck to ngog, hope we have inserted a buy-back option in the deal, juz in case..
he was never going to be our 1st choice striker, but he always tried his best when he was throw into the 1st team trying to cover for injured torres, one of the best striker or at least used to be one..

welcome back bellamy, hope he stays away from any trouble and he is definitely a useful impact player from the bench..

i think with the departure of degen, we have gotten rid of all our deadwoods... except brad jones (is he still with us?)

Brad Jones ? I dun think so that's why we brought in the Brilizian Doni as a back up

[bochapsing]

Brad Jones ? I dun think so that's why we brought in the Brilizian Doni as a back up

to our disappointment... i think he's still with us, according to official wedsite.... :(:(:(

[Xgenre]

to our disappointment... i think he's still with us, according to official wedsite.... :(:(:(

What's the issue with Brad Jones? As the reserve goalie who seldom plays... very little damage right? Salary also unlikely to be high.

[HokkienPeng]

Accordingly to reliable souces, we are still paying 60% of Joe Cole weekly salary of 100k. And not to mention that we have to pay off dagen and a few others to leave. But well, better leave than being pain in the ass.

As for Raul, there was speculation that he was due to have an improved contract but was turn down due to partly his age and the direction of the owners of lowering the average age of the squad. While this has worked well so far with 20 to 26 age players coming in, Raul really did a stinker by leaving it so late. But then again, I doubt he will get more playing time as CA is doing well but back up from the bench looks lack of creativity with only maxi and Bellamy with some form of creative plays.

[SH149]

I checked football365.com saying Raul was sold for 12m but goal.com report as 15m wondering how come so much difference :confused:

[rahl]

I checked football365.com saying Raul was sold for 12m but goal.com report as 15m wondering how come so much difference :confused:

Nowadays clubs don't like to release the figures already la.

I find this really interesting from Comolli:

'Kenny had a long conversation with Craig on Wednesday morning and we organised for him to come here.'

[NZL97]

Degen's contract got terminated. http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/degen-leaves-reds Read somewhere that he was in talks with QPR? Bellamy is back although I hoped we would have signed or loaned Adebayor. Wonder if Adebayor is even in the list of 25 for Man City. Not surprised Meireles left. We had tried to sell him earlier in the season, according to reports.

Gone are these deadwood players, Poulsen, Cole, Deegen, Ngog. No more deadwood right? Our squad is stronger in quality and depth.

actually if u think abt it, is our squad still strong in quality & depth after aquilani, meireles, cole & poulsen left?? who do we have remaining in the midfield cover, less the 1st team regulars of gerrard, adam, lucas & downing, we only have henderson, spearing, shelvey & maxi which are not players that can seriously influence the game if we are losing............juz dont understand why we couldn't get a cash + player deal wif chelsea, either sturridge, kalou or malouda would be nice to have.
Even though meireles hand in a trf req, we still have a right not to sell as we are not desperate & the player still have along term contract wif us...................:mad:

u r rt abt the balance thinggy...however in the present case, i think the balance is abit too off for my liking...oh n Rafa's time is now in the past...anyways the real test shall be agst the Big 3...i hope the back 4 shall be abit more balanced n settled by then...also look fwd to the return of Stevie G...

dont think the performance against the big 3 is the real test, we have beaten the top 4 teams last season but still finish almost 20 pts behind man u, the real test IMHO are the games against the lesser teams in the league which we have to beat home & away...........which we often dont do in prev seasons..............tat to me is the key for us to return to the top 4 tis season.............:D

btw, i m excited by the signing of coates & bellamy, cant wait 2 see them in action soon.................come on u reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rahl]

Even though meireles hand in a trf req, we still have a right not to sell as we are not desperate & the player still have along term contract wif us.


Don't be silly, no team will want a player who has submitted a transfer request. If the game is on the line, I won't want to send Meireles out there.

It's happened, we got to move on. Henderson is maybe for the future, let's hope Stevie can keep fit.

[SH149]

Guys read this article


Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish completes a summer of bloodletting at Anfield with a leaner meaner squad

New blood: Kenny Dalglish (centre) with just some of Liverpool's new signings
Photo: GETTY IMAGES
By Rory Smith
Last Updated: 10:10PM BST 01/09/2011
At the last, Liverpool's bloodletting was complete. This has been a summer of revolution at Anfield, a great leap forward of unprecedented proportions.

Kenny Dalglish and Damien Comolli, at the behest of the club's owners, have ushered 19 players out of Liverpool's doors. The final two, Raul Meireles and Philipp Degen, departed with just minutes of the transfer window to spare. The past is finished. Let the future begin.

Fourteen players have been sold or released, and a further five dismissed temporarily, on loan, most notably Joe Cole and Alberto Aquilani.

An astounding £30 million has been wiped from the wage chitty, and a little over £20 million raised in funds.

The phrase "trimming of the squad" does not quite fit; this has been all-out attack on the errors of the past. Only Brad Jones and Danny Wilson remain of Roy Hodgson's signings, and only three of the 14 signed by Rafael Benítez in his final two years at the club. Less than a year after the putsch which brought Fenway Sports Group to Anfield, Liverpool have undergone a second Night of the Long Knives. This one, though, has lasted all summer.

Some were rather more willing than others to stand aside. Paul Konchesky accepted a wage cut to join Leicester. Nabil El Zhar, Emiliano Insua, Milan Jovanovic and, eventually, Degen agreed to cancel their contracts, albeit for lucrative settlements.

Liverpool will continue to pay for the mistakes that have gone before. Lille insist Liverpool will continue to supply 60 per cent of Cole's £80,000-a-week wages, meaning Anfield's finances will be drained to the tune of £2.5 million for a season in which the 29 year-old plays in France.

Christian Poulsen’s move to Evian has been subsidised, too, but that is rather the point: FSG see their glass as half-full, not half-empty. At least the £2.5 million paid to Cole while he is in France is a saving of £1.65 million. That is the ruthlessness that has pervaded Liverpool’s summer.

FSG were determined to build a more cost-effective squad, and were prepared to withstand the short-term financial cost to do so. Hence their decision to spend big and spend early, regardless of the knock-on effects later in the summer.

"The owners were happy to take risks and happy for us to spend money," reflected Comolli. "A lot of owners would have said the squad is too big, so you need to reduce, and then when you have done that, bring some players in, but that was never the approach. I told them we would need to buy first and they were very, very brave to accept that."

Nowhere was that cut-throat approach better witnessed than with Meireles. The Portuguese was not desperate to leave Anfield, but was left with no choice after seeing Jordan Henderson and Charlie Adam recruited in midfield and a promise to augment his £35,000-a-week wage, should his first season be a success, broken.

Discussions over a pay rise never started. In the end, he had to hand in a transfer request and forego a loyalty payment to smooth his escape to Chelsea.

Few Liverpool fans would have sold Meireles, particularly not to a bitter foe and especially not for £12 million, roughly what Hodgson paid for the Portugal international last summer. That is the measure of the new Liverpool, though. Those who are not required will be cast aside. Dalglish wants only those soldiers he deems necessary; a bloated squadron is a cumbersome one.

"For me, the players they have signed have largely been British, which takes me back to when I started watching Liverpool," said Craig Bellamy, the final piece of incoming business carried out by Dalglish. "It looks so familiar to me, so to be part of it is such a huge honour."

Dalglish has built the squad he wanted: young, energetic, mostly home-grown, and with a passion for the club – but it fits FSG's vision, too. The squad is streamlined – 22 senior players, supported by youth – with this summer's six signings, Bellamy apart, earning a combined, and relatively modest, £13 million-a-season in wages.

That is a saving of £17 million-a-season. FSG are no asset-strippers, though. They have spent £114 million on players in eight months, plus wages, with £75 million regained in transfer fees. This is not a rerun of Liverpool's recent past. This is the start of the future.

Key Anfield departures: Raul Meireles (Chelsea) £12m, David Ngog (Bolton Wanderers) £4m, Paul Konchesky (Leicester City) £1.5m, Daniel Ayala (Norwich City) £800,000, Gerardo Bruna (Blackpool) £750,000,Joe Cole (Lille) loan, Emiliano Insua (Sporting Lisbon) undisclosed, Chris Mavinga (Rennes) undisclosed, Sotirios Kyrgiakos (Wolfsburg) undisclosed, Christian Poulsen (Evian) undisclosed, Alberto Aquilani (AC Milan) undisclosed, Milan Jovanovic (Anderlecht) undisclosed, Tom Ince (Blackpool) undisclosed, Nabil El Zhar (Levante) undisclosed.

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[bochapsing]

Guys read this article

thx for sharing...!!!

[Alkano]

Now the new look Liverpool Revolution has started....:D

[asspanker]

we cleared all the deadwoods!! how good is that??.. now the real project to regain our past starts!!!

[The Milk Man]

Few Liverpool fans would have sold Meireles, particularly not to a bitter foe and especially not for £12 million, roughly what Hodgson paid for the Portugal international last summer.

No doubt RM is a talented footballer but his constitution is just not up to par for the BPL...... even at his fittest he cannot last the full 90 mins of a game. :mad:

Modern soccer tactics has made the last 10 mins of a game the most crucial...... games are won or lost in that 10 mins so having a player that cannot go all out for the full game is a liability no matter how talented he is...... RM had to go for the good of the team. ;)

[joew2005]

feet firmly on the ground ... & do not get carried away,becos the season has jz started only.

3 games gone, 7 points out of a possible 9.
it's a lost of 2 points.

35 games 2 go in the EPL season.

focus on the next game away against Stoke City on Sept 10. (Next Sat)

[omnia]

hope the reds can get eden hazard in return...hopefully in the nxt transfer window if not nxt summer?...
Accordingly to reliable souces, we are still paying 60% of Joe Cole weekly salary of 100k. .

[omnia]

yup u gotta pt...

however i am still curious to c how this 'new' look reds team performs agst the big 3 particularly defence wise...



dont think the performance against the big 3 is the real test, we have beaten the top 4 teams last season but still finish almost 20 pts behind man u, the real test IMHO are the games against the lesser teams in the league which we have to beat home & away...........which we often dont do in prev seasons..............tat to me is the key for us to return to the top 4 tis season.............:D

[omnia]

sounds promising...

any idea on how it is going on viz the new stadium?...the new stadium is the final piece to ensure liverpool's long term financial sustainability...

Dalglish has built the squad he wanted: young, energetic, mostly home-grown, and with a passion for the club – but it fits FSG's vision, too. The squad is streamlined – 22 senior players, supported by youth – with this summer's six signings, Bellamy apart, earning a combined, and relatively modest, £13 million-a-season in wages.

That is a saving of £17 million-a-season. FSG are no asset-strippers, though. They have spent £114 million on players in eight months, plus wages, with £75 million regained in transfer fees. This is not a rerun of Liverpool's recent past. This is the start of the future.

[naemlo]

Ask yourself how much have your lost in the casino already. Whats $9.90 more? But at least u get something out of the $9.90


Ask yourself, if your chances of winning are good. Why will u bother to earn 9.9? :confused:

I dun mind giving u 9.9 but u have to let me win 9.9 mil USD first.

[beck7777]

I checked football365.com saying Raul was sold for 12m but goal.com report as 15m wondering how come so much difference :confused:

There are clauses in the contract to increase the fees to 15mil depending on appearance etc.. :D

[joew2005]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature/_/id/951791/alex-dimond:-a-revolution-in-red-at-liverpool?cc=4716

A revolution in red
September 3, 2011

Comolli has clearly been pegged as Liverpool's own Epstein - himself the Sox's answer 2 Beane. Comparisons with 2 revolutionary thinkers may confuse any Spurs fans tat remember Comolli's time @ the club (although he was crucial in the signings of Gareth Bale & Luka Modric), but those who hv worked with both insist they r incredibly similar.

"There is no question tat Damien Comolli is cut fr the same cloth as Theo Epstein," Werner noted recently. Football, however, is harder 2 statistically analyse with any great insight than baseball. "Determining wat goes in2 a goal is much more complicated than determining wat goes in2 a home run," Henry himself recently told the Wall Street Journal. But, while the data acquired can never be as easily applied as in baseball, basic assessments can still be made.

Fr their initial research, it seems the club hv employed a 2-fold approach - using statistics as an indicator of which players 2 target, & the level of 'risk' involved as a barometer 4 who they should actually go ahead & buy.

Beane may be the subject of Moneyball but most of his ideas were adopted fr others. But 1 of his strictest rules was never 2 draft a player out of high school, but instead 2 always go 4 those with a few seasons of college experience under their belt.

Regular college action produced trustworthy data 4 each player, data tat Beane could then sort 4 the particular statistical strengths he coveted. High school action only hinted @ potential - & potential 2 Beane was just another word 4 'risk'.

Tat is 1 example tat Liverpool seem 2 be following. It's interesting 2 see the sums they paid 4 Adam, Downing & Henderson - all players with impressive (& recent) full seasons in the Premier League under their belt - while avoiding entering the race 4 Football League (& high school age) starlets like Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (£12 million to Arsenal) or Connor Wickham (£7 million 2 Sunderland).

"Every1 seemed 2 think tat Liverpool was over-valuing British players tis summer. But when there is a substantial homegrown rule, British players r going 2 be highly valued," Henry told the Telegraph. "Look @ the prices paid tis year 4 Wickham & Oxlade-Chamberlain. At Liverpool we hv purchased each player 4 a different reason."

Tat reason appears 2 be based predominantly on chance creation. If stats r being employed, tis is the area they r 1st being followed. There is a clear correlation betw the top scoring teams & the highest finishing teams each season in the Premier League, so goals clearly r the game's most valuable commodity (a fundamentally obvious point, perhaps, but nevertheless 1 tat is worth being reminded in an era where teams hv trended 2wards being more defensive).

Goals r created fr opportunities; so it's logical tat the more the team can create each match, the better the chance they hv of winning games.

In tat light, the midfield buys suddenly don't appear 2 be any coincidence. All 3 were in the top 8 chance-creators of last season, according 2 Opta, & all had healthy assist totals 4 the season. Indeed, only 4 players hv provided more chances than Downing in the Premier League in the last 6 years ("the stats prove he is much more than a winger," says Comolli).

Tis is a risky strategy in many ways - many 'experts' remain 2 be convinced tat any of the 3 r truly top level players, while if Carroll was bought 2 finish all those created chances then the fact Suarez, a mercurial talent with a genuine X-Factor, is currently keeping him out of the side might be an early warning tat you can't try & analyse everything in football.

Similarly, all 3 midfield buys also took a great number of their previous side's set pieces last season, a stats-inflating benefit tat self-evidently not all will be able 2 experience tis season - not 2 mention the fact tat putting all 3 in 1 midfield leaves alot of defensive work 4 1 man (so far, Lucas Leiva) tat could be exploited by better or more tactically savvy sides.

Yet, the Enrique & Coates signings r an attempt 2 counter tat weakness by reinforcing the backline - again signing players of notable pedigree 4 a very reasonable price - while other players, fr David Ngog 2 Alberto Aquilani, hv been offloaded. Craig Bellamy's late addition is cost-effective, while the last-min departure of Raul Meireles was by no means a blow - considering the sum received (a fee rising to £15 million) & midfield options tat still remain.

Henry, 4 all his cheque-signing so far, is adamant the club will not "deficit spend". The American has been a vocal campaigner in favour of UEFA's proposed Financial Fair Play rules, making clear @ every opportunity hw important it is 4 the European game's governing body 2 enforce their rules 2 the maximum. Tis is grandstanding 2 an extent - Henry is 2 savvy 2 realistically expect hard-line implementation - but he 1s 2 ensure rules r not allowed 2 be so lax tat certain clubs can run riot.

Tat is the environment Henry is used 2, aft all. MLB doesn't hv a salary cap but a luxury tax, meaning wealthy clubs r penalised 4 spending beyond a set amount but not prohibited fr doing so - curbing differences in spending but not completely restricting it.

That's the scenario Henry needs again. If Liverpool can then increase revenues as the Red Sox did 2 a point where they r @ least in the same ball-park as the New York Yankee-esque clubs like ManU & ManC, then they hope a more attuned transfer policy can make the difference on the pitch.

"We need time 2 build the football operation & we need 2 build our revenues," Henry acknowledges. "We did tat in Boston & we still cannot come close 2 matching the revenues of the Yankees. But we match them competitively."

Prices will rise @ Anfield - just as they did @ Fenway Park - but fans will find it easier 2 stomach if the club r achieving 2 things; winning, & playing attractive football. Tat's where Dalglish comes back in.

"The way he 1s us 2 play is pass & move & with a high tempo," defender Daniel Agger said aft the Bolton display. "It is not just 1 thing - it is a combination: a strong squad, a good manager, good coaches around him. Results r the most important thing, but if you can get them playing like tis, tat is a bonus."

With Dalglish energising the team, Comolli searching 4 advantages in the statistics & Henry masterminding the business, Liverpool r rightly setting their sights on a return 2 football's top table.

Part 2 of 2

[joew2005]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature/_/id/951791/alex-dimond:-a-revolution-in-red-at-liverpool?cc=4716

A revolution in red
September 3, 2011

12 months ago - b4 his friend & business partner Joe Januszewski emailed him abt the plight of his fav club - John W Henry knew very little abt football, let alone Liverpool FC.

The contrast with Kenny Dalglish, a man who has had a passion 4 the Anfield club running thru his veins ever since he arrived as a player in 1977 (& a love 4 football much longer than tat) could hardly be starker. Yet 2gether, in a partnership forged as much thru coincidence as judgment, the 2 hv been instrumental in reviving 1 of the England's most successful sides.

Fr the darkest days of Tom Hicks, George Gillett & Roy Hodgson, Henry & Dalglish hv yanked the club out of reverse 2 such an extent the fans tat 1s feared oblivion now believe Champions League football, or even a title challenge, could be back in the offing.

Early performances tis season hv only bolstered expectations & anticipation. An opening draw with Sunderland (1-1) was a disappointment, but subsequent victories away 2 Arsenal (2-0) & then @ home 2 Bolton Wanderers (3-1, in swaggering fashion) hv sparked hopes tat a return 2 the top 4 is a genuine prospect 4 tis season, aft 2 years in the relative wilderness.

2 an extent, some of tat revival cannot be credited 2 much more than the mere fact the old regime was kicked out. The way Hicks & Gillett ran the club, with Hodgson also out of his depth, almost any change would hv been an improvement.

But Henry has gone further than tat, impressing with his sensible observations in the press & unifying the club in pursuit of a common goal (a return 2 former glories), while also showing no reluctance 2 invest in the playing staff in the pursuit of tat target. Charlie Adam (£7 million), Jordan Henderson (£16 million), Stewart Downing (£20 million), Jose Enrique (£6 million) & Sebastian Coates (£8 million) hv all been added 2 the squad, building on the combined £55 million purchases of Luis Suarez & Andy Carroll tat Henry sanctioned in January.

Henry made his personal fortune by exploiting the imbalances in the futures market 4 soya beans & followed similar principles 2 turn around his ML Baseball team, the Boston Red Sox, in2 a perennial contender 1s again.

It was the later overhaul, noted in Michael Lewis' book Moneyball, tat led predictions of similar activity - exploiting statistical areas tat other clubs undervalue 2 pick bargains in the market & turn the club around without breaking the bank - in his new venture on Merseyside. Aft 2 completed transfer windows, however, tat evidently has not been the case.

Indeed, much has been made of Henry's arrival & overhaul of the fabled Red Sox, but b4 tat he actually owned another MLB franchise, the rather less storied or successful Florida Marlins. Interestingly, he was a devout follower of the Moneyballprinciples even then - using them 2 great effect in his fantasy leagues with friends - but never really had the courage 2 implement them on the team he now owned.

"4 a man who had never played professional baseball 2 impose upon even a pathetic major league franchise an entirely new way of doing things meant alienating the baseball insiders he employed," Lewis noted in his tome. "In the end, he would hv been ostracized by his own organisation. And wat was the point of being in baseball if you weren't in baseball?"

Having made little impact, Henry soon flipped the Marlins in a swap deal tat eventually saw him own Boston's storied franchise in 2002. Determined not 2 make the same mistake, he recruited the forefathers of the 'sabermetrics' principle as advisors & hired a 28-year-old Yale graduate with a view of the game tat chimed with his own, Theo Epstein, as general manager. 2 years later, the Red Sox won their 1st World Series in nearly 100 years.

Some might fear tat we r witnessing a repeat of the failed Marlins experience & not the Red Sox revolution, with Henry reluctant 2 stamp his authority in a sporting world he knows little abt - but in reality he appears simply 2 be tempering his approach 2 suit the particular intricacies of football.

"I 1 2 know why we r doing wat we r doing on the pitch & with regard 2 player acquisition," he told the Telegraph recently. "I wouldn't be doing my job in allocating resources if I wasn't able 2 make sense of the individual steps we r taking within the context of our overall philosophy."

Dalglish, partly thru good fortune, & Damien Comolli, aft calculated research, r @ the core of tat. The board hv had nothing but praise 4 Dalglish - perhaps originally out of a quick realisation tat 2 do otherwise would not endear them 2 the fans, but more recently out of genuine admiration - but it is perhaps revealing tat they hv focused more on his leadership skills & football brain than his transfer market acumen.

"I can't think of somebody who embodies the relentlessness,the drive & the attitude of excellence better than Kenny," Tom Werner, a part owner in both Liverpool & the Red Sox, said recently. "I think he is a natural leader. I think he's been able 2 instil a sense of purpose in2 the club; & when he says something, I think people listen."

When Hodgson received his P45 in January, a host of young managers (notably Andre Villas-Boas) were linked by the media, but they would hv wanted control over aspects of the club Henry had already commandeered.

Dalglish, out of the game's sharp end 4 a decade, could be trusted 2 marshal the 1st team but perhaps persuaded 2 leave some aspects of recruitment & transfer policy 2 others.

Tat primary 'other' has become Comolli. The Frenchman's appointment - 1st as director of football strategy, then simply director of football - was even recommended 2 Henry by the primary subject of Moneyball, Oakland Athletics general manager Billy Beane. Despite the sporting divide, the 2 r friends.

"He [Beane] loves football as I love baseball," Comolli said back in 2010, of the relationship he shares with the man who made the As a MLB heavyweight on a fraction of the budget of his rivals. "Everything I hv been doing has come fr wat the As hv been doing in terms of collecting & using data."


Part 1 of 2

[NZL97]

juz sharing a thought.............read in the net that adam is now injured playing 4 scotland in their last game, with gerrard still out & with meireles, aquilani & cole gone, suddenly our strong midfield depth which we have at the beginning of the season seems to have evaporated.........a case of miscalculation by KK???............:(

come on u reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beck7777]

juz sharing a thought.............read in the net that adam is now injured playing 4 scotland in their last game, with gerrard still out & with meireles, aquilani & cole gone, suddenly our strong midfield depth which we have at the beginning of the season seems to have evaporated.........a case of miscalculation by KK???............:(

come on u reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to worry... We still have Spearing and Jonjo Shelvey...

Our squad is good and strong enough as now...

[jj583]

no worries ... i am sure KK will come up with a game plan to beat Stoke this weekend. was a very gd game against Bolton... Jordan Henderson and Adam both score and what a way to Start their Anfield career ! We may not win the BPL (as per Henry commented) but that was a gd start, compared to last season. ( 9 matches ply = 7 points ) Way to go!! YNWA!!:)

[SH149]

sounds promising...

any idea on how it is going on viz the new stadium?...the new stadium is the final piece to ensure liverpool's long term financial sustainability...

They likely to follow what Arsenal did when they built the new stadium :)

[Ninja_Assassin]

no worries ... i am sure KK will come up with a game plan to beat Stoke this weekend. was a very gd game against Bolton... Jordan Henderson and Adam both score and what a way to Start their Anfield career !

Adam is out for this weekend's game. He got injured in last Saturday's 2-2 draw between Scotland and Czech Republic. The Scottish FA has confirmed Adam will not play against Lithuania tomorrow nite and will leave it to the Liverpool medical team to decide whether he is able to play on Saturday. :mad:

[NZL97]

Not to worry... We still have Spearing and Jonjo Shelvey....

which is what i m worried about......lets hope adam recovers by sat........:o

[2centsworth]

Maybe we should rest Adam and not risk turning a short term injury into a long term one. After all, we do have cover in central midfield. Pull Henderson back to centre-mid or play Spearing etc.

[joew2005]

@ least we hv John W Henry,Kenny Dalglish & Steve Clark leading Liverpool FC.
those dark days under those $ face yankees r gone.

[SH149]

Guys shocking news hope it's not true


Mourinho is said to be keen on Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, who has made an instant impact on Merseyside. Kenny Dalglish will fight tooth and nail to keep the Uruguayan at Anfield but the allure of a move to Real Madrid may be hard to fend off.

Indeed it seems that the Scot sees the former Ajax man as his first choice striker and whilst a pairing of Andy Carroll is used for some Liverpool fixtures the season Dalglish has looked to play Suarez up front on his own and taking advantage of the goals he can now hope to see coming from his new midfield signings such as Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson.

Liverpool paid £23m to bring Suarez to the club in January and it would take a fairly hefty offer from Real Madrid to have any chance of convincing the club to sell but Mourinho may be relying on the temptation of playing for the Spanish giants being enough to convince the prolific 24 year old pushing for a move.
Posted by AnfieldLiverpooL at 3:52 PM

[rahl]

which is what i m worried about......lets hope adam recovers by sat........:o

That's why we have a squad for these shit internationals. We got to trust the players to step up, just like we did with Flanagan and Robinson last season.

Stoke will be a good challenge, they bought some players didn't they?

[rahl]

Mourinho is said to be keen on Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, who has made an instant impact on Merseyside.

What's so shocking about that? Suarez is world class and Real Madrid and JM, like he did at Chelsea, will always try to buy success.

But I'm sure Suarez will leave us for another club, probably Spanish, and I think it will be his beloved Barca. If you look at his career, you will see he gets what he wants, and he is not a one-club player.

I'm Ok if he leaves. Rush also left us, Keegan also left us. What is more important than any single player is a culture of success, which we got to build now.

[SH149]

What's so shocking about that? Suarez is world class and Real Madrid and JM, like he did at Chelsea, will always try to buy success.

But I'm sure Suarez will leave us for another club, probably Spanish, and I think it will be his beloved Barca. If you look at his career, you will see he gets what he wants, and he is not a one-club player.

I'm Ok if he leaves. Rush also left us, Keegan also left us. What is more important than any single player is a culture of success, which we got to build now.

Of cos this is shocking to me
Suarez just join us barely 1 season n we are in the process of re-building any disruption will very much affect our plan

[francined69]

for 100 million we'll throw in Coates as well! :D

[2centsworth]

Mourinho is said to be keen on Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, who has made an instant impact on Merseyside. Kenny Dalglish will fight tooth and nail to keep the Uruguayan at Anfield but the allure of a move to Real Madrid may be hard to fend off.

Not surprised. Suarez is playing at World Class level. Won't be surprised if he's nominated for World Player of the Year, given what he achieved for Uruguay in the Copa America. If we do sell him, maybe we can find more world class players in more positions. But please don't sell him in January. I hate how the fact we don't have European competition this season, might make moving for Suarez a more attractive idea in January, since Suarez won't be cup-tied.

[rahl]

Not surprised. Suarez is playing at World Class level. Won't be surprised if he's nominated for World Player of the Year, given what he achieved for Uruguay in the Copa America. If we do sell him, maybe we can find more world class players in more positions. But please don't sell him in January. I hate how the fact we don't have European competition this season, might make moving for Suarez a more attractive idea in January, since Suarez won't be cup-tied.

He won't be player of the year cos we are not in the CL ;)

Maybe in England if we have a good placing.

[bochapsing]

Guys shocking news hope it's not true


Mourinho is said to be keen on Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, who has made an instant impact on Merseyside. Kenny Dalglish will fight tooth and nail to keep the Uruguayan at Anfield but the allure of a move to Real Madrid may be hard to fend off.

Posted by AnfieldLiverpooL at 3:52 PM

let's not get too worried..
i doubt JM will still be with real madrid next season.. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[omnia]

oh dear...think it may be true...caught the 'news' update on mio stadium where it was reported that jose is eyeing 2 EPL strikers for winter transfer window...however no names mentioned in the report...

Guys shocking news hope it's not true


Mourinho is said to be keen on Liverpool striker Luis Suarez, who has made an instant impact on Merseyside. Kenny Dalglish will fight tooth and nail to keep the Uruguayan at Anfield but the allure of a move to Real Madrid may be hard to fend off.

[omnia]

really hope andy carroll has got the message fm capello to cut back on his drinking which appears to be affecting his fitness level...carroll really needs to step up to the plate n repay kenny's 35m pounds faith in his ability...

oh n stoke will be a challenge...return of crouchie etc...this fixture is going to be a real test to c if the reds can sustain a push for the top 4 this season...

That's why we have a squad for these shit internationals. We got to trust the players to step up, just like we did with Flanagan and Robinson last season.

Stoke will be a good challenge, they bought some players didn't they?

[SH149]

oh dear...think it may be true...caught the 'news' update on mio stadium where it was reported that jose is eyeing 2 EPL strikers for winter transfer window...however no names mentioned in the report...

That's the saddest thing in football
When u r good all over the world most powerful n richest club will be eyeing but if u r not good or just like some of our deadwood it takes ultimate effort to clear them off :(

[jj583]

No worries guys, in King Kenny, we trust, plus, we have a real good 1st team coach = Steve Clark. We may not challenge for the BPL this season but lets give a bloody good fight !! YNWA !!:cool:

[jj583]

Adam is out for this weekend's game. He got injured in last Saturday's 2-2 draw between Scotland and Czech Republic. The Scottish FA has confirmed Adam will not play against Lithuania tomorrow nite and will leave it to the Liverpool medical team to decide whether he is able to play on Saturday. :mad:

Let Spearing has a little run in the team .... Think he is a hard working lad ....:o

[Ninja_Assassin]

No worries guys, in King Kenny, we trust, plus, we have a real good 1st team coach = Steve Clark.

Steve Clarke is no longer the 1st team coach....... he has been promoted to Assistant Team Manager :D

[jj583]

thats good news .... he will play a very important role in BRING the BPL back to Anfield!! YNWA !!:):):p:p

[The Milk Man]

Steve Clarke is no longer the 1st team coach....... he has been promoted to Assistant Team Manager

thats good news .... he will play a very important role in BRING the BPL back to Anfield!! YNWA !!


Not many outside of Anfield knew of the several run-ins he had with Sammy Lee over the team's training previously...... for the management and KD to throw their support behind him over another longtime LFC stalwart shows how much he is valued by them...... with Sammy Lee out of the way now..... Steve Clarke can give his 100% best efforts for the team unhindered which I am sure will show in the results :D

Liverpool shall rise again ! :p

[pawnzoromg]

Liverpool shall rise again ! :p[/QUOTE]

indeed we shall and we'll never walk alone

[rahl]

Not many outside of Anfield knew of the several run-ins he had with Sammy Lee over the team's training previously......

Didn't know this, btw what are Clarke's training methods? Usually Sammy's thought to support pass and move?

[too_hot]

That's the saddest thing in football
When u r good all over the world most powerful n richest club will be eyeing but if u r not good or just like some of our deadwood it takes ultimate effort to clear them off :(

Its inevitable in life. To some extent the players themselves are also motivated to do well to hope that a bigger fish (and there aren't many bigger than real & barca) will come and take that.

We must learn (can't believe i m going to say it) from Manure. I dun tink they're missing CR7 all dat much....and Real having spent gazillions, still haven win primera liga title yet....let hope suarez just continue to give his best and we do well this year and if really we get 60 to 70million pounds for him next year then at least we make a tidy profit.

On the other hand, suarez should look at ppl like owen (and to some extent benzema) who went there but didn't not cut it. Also our fren torres who went to chelski and is probably one of the worst strikers in the league now.

Money is not everything....but liverpool should also make a good effort to keep him by giving him improved terms in recognition of his performance when the time comes.

[Chinakid]

Whether is money power or not? The most important thing is get back to the champion league first then maybe build a strong squad to beat any team. As the saying goes, who wants to change a winning team? I believe by then no players would wants to leave if we can win lOts of cups and championship. LIVERPOOL WILL RISE ONE DAY.

[rahl]

We must learn (can't believe i m going to say it) from Manure. I dun tink they're missing CR7 all dat much....and Real having spent gazillions, still haven win primera liga title yet....let hope suarez just continue to give his best and we do well this year and if really we get 60 to 70million pounds for him next year then at least we make a tidy profit.



Top post ;)

[SH149]

Tonite game against Stoke not gonna be easy
I have a feeling that Bellamy will be in the first eleven even ahead of Andy Carroll

Anyway Stoke City 0 Liverpool 2 my prediction :D

[rahl]

Tonite game against Stoke not gonna be easy
I have a feeling that Bellamy will be in the first eleven even ahead of Andy Carroll

Anyway Stoke City 0 Liverpool 2 my prediction :D

Will be a tough match but we did beat Stoke at home under Kenny last season.

I'm looking forward to the match, see how our new look team performs against a physical and tall side.

[SH149]

Will be a tough match but we did beat Stoke at home under Kenny last season.

I'm looking forward to the match, see how our new look team performs against a physical and tall side.

Looking forward tonite game
If we are want to back to the top four we have to beat the lower team a lose or even a draw is not acceptable

[joew2005]

Looking forward tonite game
If we are want to back to the top four we have to beat the lower team a lose or even a draw is not acceptable

yes,agree fully with bro SH149.
with all due respect 2 club like stoke city,even a draw is 2 points lost 2 me.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview/_/id/318098?cc=4716

Stoke City vs Liverpool - Preview

Stoke boss Tony Pulis has declared himself "pleased as punch'' with the club's new signings & is confident none of them will disrupt the sense of unity @ the Britannia Stadium.

The Potters embarked on a late spending spree on transfer deadline day 2 bring in Wilson Palacios, Peter Crouch & Cameron Jerome.

The trio's arrival follow those of free agents Jonathan Woodgate & Matthew Upson earlier in the summer.

And ahead of the clash with Liverpool, Pulis is feeling satisfied with his recruitment & points 2 the way Woodgate & Upson hv settled in @ Stoke as evidence tat big-name players will not rock the boat.

"We r delighted, absolutely pleased as punch 2 hv done the business we hv done,'' Pulis said.

"When you think we hv signed 5 players 4 under £20million & you've got Woodgate, Upson, Palacios, Crouch & Jerome - 4 tat price, I think it is fantastic business.

"We hv brought big-name players in & I think the supporters deserve tat.

"But the 1 thing we hv been @ tis football club over the last 5 years is united as a group, fr boardroom level thru 2 the staff, the players & the terraces.

"I don't think there is a better example anywhere up & down the country of a club tat has been as united as we hv.

"You speak 2 the players & ask them abt wat Upson & Woodgate hv been like - they hv been here for 4 or 5 weeks & hv been absolutely fantastic.

"You wouldn't believe the pedigree tat they hv got - they hv mixed in really well & hv become part of the group.

"We've done our homework on Palacios, Crouch & Jerome & we hv brought 3 players in who will all work as hard as how our gang work, as well as hopefully bringing tat little bit more quality.''

Crouch is set 2 make his Potters debut against his former side, while Pulis will run the rule over Palacios & Jerome 2 see if they r fit enough 4 their 1st run-outs.

Marc Wilson & Rory Delap (both hamstring) will also be assessed ahead of kick-off.

Meanwhile, Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish will focus only on the positives when it comes 2 new striker Craig Bellamy.

The 32-year-old became the oldest player signed by the Reds boss since his return 2 the club in January when he joined, also 4 a 2nd spell, on transfer deadline day.

Age not withstanding, there r a number of issues which surround the Wales international, who is in the twilight of wat has been a chequered career.

He became a virtual outcast @ ManC aft falling out with manager Roberto Mancini, spending last season on loan @ Cardiff b4 negotiating a deal 2 hv the final year of his contract paid off in order 2 rejoin the Reds.

It was not the 1st time the 4ward, who gained a reputation 4 being something of a 'hot head', has clashed with authority.

He fell out with Graeme Souness @ Newcastle, got in2 numerous scrapes on & off the field and in his 1st spell @ Liverpool, the club he supported as a boy, & clashed with team-mate John Arne Riise in an incident involving a golf club.

Bellamy's departure aft just 12 months came following disagreements with then boss Rafael Benitez but Dalglish sees only good things in the player, who accepted a pay cut 2 return.

"He's really enthusiastic @ being back & made alot of sacrifices 2 come back, financially & otherwise, becos of wat the club means 2 him,'' said the Scot.

"We're delighted 2 hv ppl with tat attitude here.

"I don't know why I've never signed him b4 in my managerial career.

"Maybe I wasn't working when he was available. He's always been somebody tat has impressed me.

"He's got pace, quality, he loves tis club - which is very important - & he'll be a fantastic asset 4 us.''

On Bellamy's supposed fiery character Dalglish joked: "I don't think his temperament will be a problem - he's given up golf!''

Bellamy is set 2 be named on the bench 4 Liverpool's match @ Stoke, where they hv not won in 3 attempts since the Potters' return 2 the top flight.

Fellow new signing Sebastian Coates, 20, may hv 2 wait 4 his chance as he settles in following his transfer fr Uruguayan club Nacional.

[Hurricane88]

My prediction

Stoke 1 - 2 Liverpool

[The Milk Man]

yes,agree fully with bro SH149.
with all due respect 2 club like stoke city,even a draw is 2 points lost 2 me.


I have to disagree....... LFC have always underperformed whenever they return from the international breaks...... KD oso lamented that he had only 5 players to work with on the training ground to prepare for this game while waiting for the rest to return from the internationals. :mad:

On the other hand Stoke did not have that many players away for the internationals and I believe Tony Pulis has been working them hard....... so I feel a draw for LFC in tonite's game is a reasonable result........ a win will be a bonus and testimony to the Reds revival :p

[SH149]

I have to disagree....... LFC have always underperformed whenever they return from the international breaks...... KD oso lamented that he had only 5 players to work with on the training ground to prepare for this game while waiting for the rest to return from the internationals. :mad:

On the other hand Stoke did not have that many players away for the internationals and I believe Tony Pulis has been working them hard....... so I feel a draw for LFC in tonite's game is a reasonable result........ a win will be a bonus and testimony to the Reds revival :p

You have a point but do remember the other team like Arsenal Chelsa etc they have more players than us when call for international duty but they are far more consistence than us when back to EPL n it does not only just mainly for 1 season

For this season they just need to concentrate for domestic game so much more ample time to rest n train so they need to step up show their effort n prove they have the quality to be in the top four

If we can't even do it in the domestic game we actually can forget about going to play on the higher level against team like Real Marid etc

[jj583]

lets get ready for ACTION tonite!! Stroke, here comes King Kenny and Liverpool. Stroke 1 - 2 Liverpool:)

[joew2005]

I have to disagree....... LFC have always underperformed whenever they return from the international breaks...... KD oso lamented that he had only 5 players to work with on the training ground to prepare for this game while waiting for the rest to return from the internationals. :mad:

On the other hand Stoke did not have that many players away for the internationals and I believe Tony Pulis has been working them hard....... so I feel a draw for LFC in tonite's game is a reasonable result........ a win will be a bonus and testimony to the Reds revival :p

Hello the milk man,don't quite understand wat u disagree with.

bro SH149 mentioned tat if The Reds 1 2 be among the top 4,they hv 2 beat those team in the lower half of the table.A lose or even a draw is not acceptable.

I replied tat I agree with bro SH149,tat The Reds must start 2 get wins against all those teams in the lower half of the table. Even a draw is 2 points lost 2 me.

U said u disagree,wat do u disagree with ?
Tat The Reds k drop points against the lower teams issit ?

try 2 read & understand correctly la.
I did not said we will win 2nite. :confused:

[omnia]

charlie adams fit for tonite along wif the rest...only gerrard n kelly out unfit...

impt match at stoke tonite...hope reds r up for it...v tough game as stoke r a gd outfit but think reds can overcome them...1-2 r 1-3 reds!!...hope to c carroll n bellamy on the pitch some time over the 90mins n hopefully score as well...

YNWA

[oldfogey]

Lets hope liverpool will win tonight's match.

[terror03]

Liverpool down 1 goal at Britannia Stadium,
penalty conceded by Carragher.

[terror03]

Half time at Britannia Stadium,
Stoke City 1 - 0 Liverpool.

[rahl]

Liverpool down 1 goal at Britannia Stadium,
penalty conceded by Carragher.

Carra's positioning was poor and he was outmuscled by the attacker. Second consecutive mistake liao :(

We have passed well, Adam been great, but need to create clearcut chances.

[terror03]

Liverpool pick up their 1st loss of the season,
going down 1 - nil to Stoke City.

[KangTuo]

Carra's positioning was poor and he was outmuscled by the attacker. Second consecutive mistake liao :(

We have passed well, Adam been great, but need to create clearcut chances.

:( carragher...
stoke really defend well...

[rahl]

:( carragher...
stoke really defend well...

Like their lives depend on it.

Henderson missed the one on one, that's it. And then Suarez missed an open goal.

Also penalty denied but that's usual for us :(

Anyway, I'm proud of the loss if a loss is ever to be proud of. We fought on till the end and gave everything. Edge of my seat.

[HokkienPeng]

Carragher is gone. Good time to blood Coates in for the next game. In times like these, how I'd wish Raul was still around.

[rocky23]

stoke defended with 5 man back line. no way in thro the center man.
they practically dive in for any shoot at the GK. i feel henderson is being deployed out of his natural position but well he shld have scored on the 1 on 1 chance with the gk.

i feel liverpool tried their best. but skrtel playing right back has handicapped our counter attacking on the right. we need glenn johnson back into fitness asap.

[bochapsing]

din watch the match, but according to some match stats & report: (Stokes-Liverpool)
corner: 2-12
on targer: 1-7
off target: 1-9
possesion: 27%-73% (!!! am i looking at barcelona match stats??!):eek:

"Jose Enrique's through-ball sent Jordan Henderson racing clear through the middle but he side-footed his first shot straight at Asmir Begovic, the goalkeeper made a good save from the follow-up and Matthew Upson's chest blocked the third.

However, the danger was not over as the loose ball dropped to Adam's dangerous left foot but Shawcross blocked his first effort from the edge of the penalty area and Begovic got back to stop the rebound"

seems we're dominating the match and had our chances but failed to take them, and again some dubious referee decisions din go our way...:mad:

looking at the positives for the season so far, we have played some good football..
in the 2 matches which we dropped points, we have dominated the game (1st half against sunderland) and should have won if we took our chances or got referee decision going our way.. and in all these games, we were without our talisman, stevie... looking forwards to his return :D

has anybody notice it has been a long long time since pepe last saved a penalty?
remember tat he was a specialist in saving penalty when he 1st joined us... i wasn't too worried when we conceded a penalty those days, cos always had hope in him saving it...:p

[rahl]

seems we're dominating the match and had our chances but failed to take them, and again some dubious referee decisions din go our way...:mad:

has anybody notice it has been a long long time since pepe last saved a penalty?


Pepe never looked like saving any penalty for a long time - I don't know why.

Kenny is really mad about the refs.

[rocky23]

maybe pepe need learn the dudek dance heh heh

[joew2005]

sigh ..... a diff team,but still get tat same away result against team like stoke.
4 games(7 points) played,but drop 5 points alrdy.
the top 2 r starting 2 pull away.
arsenal & spurs r back 2 winning ways.
it wouldn't be long b4 the top 6~7 positions get veri tight.
every single point drop now has an impact .....

next sunday's game away @ white hart lane is veri crucial.

[joew2005]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/955370/liverpool's-kenny-dalglish-unhappy-with-referee-after-stoke-loss?cc=4716

Dalglish unhappy with referees
September 10, 2011

Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish will consult the club's owners b4 deciding on how 2 deal with issues regarding refereeing decisions.

Dalglish was unhappy with a no. of incidents in their 1-0 defeat @ Stoke - their 1st Premier League defeat of the season.

"We would like 2 be respectful 2 referees - & I'd like 2 think I hv been - but more importantly than being respectful 2 the referees is having respect 4 my football club,'' he said.

"If I feel they r suffering in any shape or form I will need 2 go the same route other ppl go & see if we can gain some benefit fr tat. The 1st 4 league games hv had contentious decisions in them & every 1 has gone against us.

"I'll speak 2 the owners 1st & see wat they say becos the last thing I 1 2 do is 4 my behaviour 2 impinge on the club's success in any way.''

Unlike many top-flight counterparts, Dalglish stressed he had no issues with the way Stoke had played & praised their determination & resilience, but he felt his side should hv got more fr a match they dominated & said he did not think Jamie Carragher had fouled Walters 4 the spot-kick.

"I think it is abit of an understatement 2 say we deserved something fr the game,'' Dalglish added. "We can only do wat we can do ourselves - sometimes other things r taken outside your jurisdiction.

"If we continue 2 play with the same attitude & commitment then we will be okay tis season, but if we continually get battered by things outside of our control we r not going 2 get much chance.

"We don't hv any complaint abt Stoke - they played hard & played well, they got the goal & defended courageously @ times & maybe @ times they got a bit of luck.

"We don't hv anything but appreciation 4 the way they played & the way they held on 2 win the game. There is nothing 4 me 2 say which is anything other than complimentary 2 Tony & Stoke, but I just cannot see how it is a penalty kick.''

Stoke boss Tony Pulis, understandably, took a counter view 2 Dalglish.

"I think Kenny will be as biased [2 his team] as I am 2 Stoke,'' he said. "I respect his opinion & whether the decisions were (less than impartial) or not I don't know. We were pretty poor in possession of the ball 2day & we r better than tat but we were top drawer off the ball. We stopped them playing, although I thought Suarez up front was fantastic.''

[Xgenre]

has anybody notice it has been a long long time since pepe last saved a penalty?
remember tat he was a specialist in saving penalty when he 1st joined us... i wasn't too worried when we conceded a penalty those days, cos always had hope in him saving it...:p

I saw a Liverpool team poster recently. It's a group shot taken at the end of last season and the poster was distributed to people who attended the KL match recently. I noticed that Reina is actually quite fat now as compared to when he first joined us. He is like 30% wider than Brad Jones, who is standing beside him. I guess the additional bulk helps when he is rushing out to punch away high balls. Not so easy to knock him off.

I think the additional bulk may have created a greater inertia to movement. His reaction time will be slower as a result. Perhaps that's why he isn't saving as many penalties the past few seasons. I think if we sit down and consider, a lot of the skinny stick like goalies... will be ask to bulk up to cope with the EPL. Otherwise if a stick like goalie compete with Carroll for a high cross, the goalie will be very disadvantaged.

[rahl]

I think the additional bulk may have created a greater inertia to movement. His reaction time will be slower as a result. Perhaps that's why he isn't saving as many penalties the past few seasons.

Interesting but it's also psychological and preparation. Reina is doing the typical guess and dive to one side; it'd be better if he gave himself a chance to dive after the ball. Then he may save a poor shot or one straight at him.

Anyway, the defeat wasn't down to him. He had nothing to do otherwise.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

i feel henderson is being deployed out of his natural position but well he shld have scored on the 1 on 1 chance with the gk.



Henderson should have scored from that 1 to 1 instead his inexperienced showed when he chose to try and lay the ball through the goalie legs rather then attempt to chip over him....but passing wise they still need to improve cos most of their passes got intercepted..

[Fraser007]

Guess the narrow pitch of Brittania and stoke's naturally big sized players made the pitch even smaller. Giving home team obvious advantage when defending in numbers. Though we lost, but take heart and be optimistic, we still got Stevie G to be back.

Better to lose early now then late on. Pressure will not be that great, aim is still top 4 for this season. :p

[Hurricane88]

This proves Liverpool are still not there yet, Cannot compare to the 2 Manchester clubs.

[owen10]

This proves Liverpool are still not there yet, Cannot compare to the 2 Manchester clubs.

yes bro, a sickening feeling when i see us losing while all the 5 other potentials for Top 6 won, with the 2 Manchesters winning convincingly.

no excuses that Stoke defended in bus loads, our whichever player had a bad miss, we dont have the luck or ref was one biased cockanadan!

Let's all face it, bottomline is, we were juz not good enuff to finish Stoke off. if we wanna be champions, we ought to beat the likes of the Sunderlands, the Stokes, the WBAs, the Boltons esp when we play away. Reebok is a reputed tough ground to play in but Manure tore them with ease and buried them by HT. Dont ask me why, if you look at the current Manure squad, some of the players look ordinary n dont cost a bomb but they were still able to perform n score at the right time. they seemed so motivated n hungry. i think it's all in the mentality.

next week we have a tough game agt Spurs. new boys parker n ade look good. hope we can pull our socks up n get a morale boosting WIN!!!

[Alkano]

Midfield lack sting and ideas.....
SG needs to be back soon, take command of the midfield.
Attack look weak....Carroll is practically a passenger.
Back to the drawing block......:(

[Lone_Wolf]

Midfield lack sting and ideas.....
SG needs to be back soon, take command of the midfield.
Attack look weak....Carroll is practically a passenger.
Back to the drawing block......:(

We missed Raul....... letting him go to Chelski was a major mistake.
Looking back at our previous games, it was Raul's intelligent play that paved the way for the others to create the chances that led to the goals.

And Chelsea looked so different in their last game with Raul in the lineup from all their earlier games..... he created so many attacking moves for them.

[preacher1010]

Raul, personally, i dont really miss as i think he has lost his shine a long time ago.
But seriously, Carrol is beginning to be like another wasted buy.

[joew2005]

don't think the presence of SG would definitely hv made the diff.
he also has many off days last season.
he is already 31 yrs old,how many more years k The Reds depend on him ?

last nite the chances were available, but it wasn't put away.
Shots (on Goal) - stoke had 3(1),while The Reds had 24(7)
Corner Kicks - stoke had 2,while The Reds had 12
Time of Possession - stoke had 27%,while The Reds had 73%
Saves - stoke had 7,while The Reds had nil

[ProfessorOokami]

Midfield lack sting and ideas.....
SG needs to be back soon, take command of the midfield.
Attack look weak....Carroll is practically a passenger.
Back to the drawing block......:(

Lucas is the "man of the match" :p

[Alkano]

don't think the presence of SG would definitely hv made the diff.
he also has many off days last season.
he is already 31 yrs old,how many more years k The Reds depend on him ?


He is a inspirational character on the field which the others can feed on.
He is a leader who can lead by example and who has vast experience.
What is needed is stability on the field....
We can't draw this from the anyone on the team.
It is a shame Raul left, he work well with Suarez.

[omnia]

what did i previously say abt Carra n the rest of the reds defence save for Reina n Enrique?!...Carra is a bloody liability n sld be benched period...Coates/Agger combo sld be encouraged...Skertl cant play RB n what the hell is wrong wif Glen Johnson getting injured again?!...reds really need a solid RB...

Carra's positioning was poor and he was outmuscled by the attacker. Second consecutive mistake liao :(.

Adam "great"...which game were watching mate?...Adam was bloody lousy if u ask me...same goes for Henderson, once again calling into Q the 18m pounds reds spent on him...Carroll was also shit once again when given a chance, no iniative to run into spaces n chase for the ball, yet another Q on the 35m pounds spent on him...Bellamy was v gd though, pity he did not start earlier...as for Suarez well reds cant be relying on him all the time...apart fm his misses think he was k but think he sld calm down abit wif the offcials if not may get a reputation affecting decisions agst him in future matches...

overall gutted as this was 3 points wasted, same as 2 points wasted agst the black cats...kenny sld stop complaining abt refs n take a deep look at his own team...if this continues reds wont get the vital CL spot...really hope Gerrard comes back a fresh new player in the same inspirational form as manure Shrek...


We have passed well, Adam been great, but need to create clearcut chances.

[omnia]

yes looks like the reds really cld hv used a dose of Meireles, who ironically seemed to hv a gd game agst the black cats on his debut for chelski...

i really hope kenny did the right thing in letting Meireles go...even Aquilani as well to some extent...
Carragher is gone. Good time to blood Coates in for the next game. In times like these, how I'd wish Raul was still around.

[joew2005]

He is a inspirational character on the field which the others can feed on.
He is a leader who can lead by example and who has vast experience.
What is needed is stability on the field....
We can't draw this from the anyone on the team.
It is a shame Raul left, he work well with Suarez.

ya ... it's a shame tat they allowed him 2 leave LFC.
when he put in the transfer request,did any1 fr the club's management tried 2 talk him round ?

[omnia]

stoke pen was a real 50-50 chance as the ball was booted hard n straight down the middle...reina took his chances n dived to the right...luck of the draw...

going by the pen stats in this early season...quite afew misses/saves already...think that is why pen takers may be more inclined to go for power n shoot straight down the middle especially when under pressure for eg. lampard's pen agst norwich 2 wks ago...perhaps something for goalkeepers to take note of??...

I think the additional bulk may have created a greater inertia to movement. His reaction time will be slower as a result. Perhaps that's why he isn't saving as many penalties the past few seasons. I think if we sit down and consider, a lot of the skinny stick like goalies... will be ask to bulk up to cope with the EPL. Otherwise if a stick like goalie compete with Carroll for a high cross, the goalie will be very disadvantaged.

[omnia]

if one is being realistic than u wld probably not expect the reds to win the EPL this season r even finish runners up for that matter...but top 4 CL spot is a must especially after all the $$$ n support provided by henry n fsg...in this regard the overall performance at stoke does not bode well...
This proves Liverpool are still not there yet, Cannot compare to the 2 Manchester clubs.

[omnia]

gotta to agree wif u mate...some of fergie's newbie youngsters at first blush look ordinary n not pricey but somehow hv performed like lions in the last 4 matches...really wonder what fergie has done wif them...n as for Shrek, looks like he is samson transformed wif his new hair!...oh n that speedy little pea's movement wif first goal was quite amazing, cant believe he cost less than 10m pounds...

Reebok is a reputed tough ground to play in but Manure tore them with ease and buried them by HT. Dont ask me why, if you look at the current Manure squad, some of the players look ordinary n dont cost a bomb but they were still able to perform n score at the right time. they seemed so motivated n hungry. i think it's all in the mentality.

[omnia]

not a fan of lucas...but to be fair to him this lad had a gd game all things considered...like what others said abv, lack of creativity in the middle was telling...i wonder whether Meireles n say Aquilani wld hv done better?...
Lucas is the "man of the match" :p

[rahl]

Adam "great"...which game were watching mate?...Adam was bloody lousy if u ask me...same goes for Henderson, once again calling into Q the 18m pounds reds spent on him...Carroll was also shit once again when given a chance, no iniative to run into spaces n chase for the ball, yet another Q on the 35m pounds spent on him...Bellamy was v gd though, pity he did not start earlier...as for Suarez well reds cant be relying on him all the time...apart fm his misses think he was k but think he sld calm down abit wif the offcials if not may get a reputation affecting decisions agst him in future matches...



Watching the match with my own eyes. Adam passed well and was often the starting point for our attacks in midfield. How else did you think we had so much possession and efforts? He took some great corners too and we actually won some balls in the air without Carroll.

If you want to slag him, fine but at least have the decency to give a reason.

The midfield worked their socks off the whole match and at least should deserve some acknowledgement from fans. Remember previous occasions in the previous 2 seasons when we went away, conceded a goal and had absolutely no quality in the team to crawl back a goal?

I don't think Henderson is that bad. He did well on the right and the burst from midfield for the one on one is his trademark which we can see more of in future. Pity he couldn't finish.

I see some people here whining already about players who have left or are injured. You don't play football with those players.

[bochapsing]

I don't think Henderson is that bad. He did well on the right and the burst from midfield for the one on one is his trademark which we can see more of in future. Pity he couldn't finish.

I see some people here whining already about players who have left or are injured. You don't play football with those players.


i think everybody agree tat henderson is not a finished product yet.
from the few matches i've seen of him, i think he is a tidy midfield player who prefer to keep the ball moving with short passes, somehting like our "pass-n-move" style of playing. nothing too fancy, no hollywood passes, no stepovers, but simple n effective football..
give him some time under the guidance of dalglish, i'm sure he'll come good...

i see many fans complaining tat if only aquaman or raul is still with us, we'll be able to break down stokes defense..
i think we shall stop thinking of "what if" this or that player is still with us...
raul handed in the official transfer request, so no point keeping him when his heart is not with us...
as for aquaman, he is more suitable to serieA football, so we can't be sure tat he'll produce the same performance for milan (or juve last season)in bpl, and he always prefer to go back italy.. same as raul, his heart is not with us

[rahl]

i think everybody agree tat henderson is not a finished product yet.
from the few matches i've seen of him, i think he is a tidy midfield player who prefer to keep the ball moving with short passes, somehting like our "pass-n-move" style of playing. nothing too fancy, no hollywood passes, no stepovers, but simple n effective football..
give him some time under the guidance of dalglish, i'm sure he'll come good...

i see many fans complaining tat if only aquaman or raul is still with us, we'll be able to break down stokes defense..
i think we shall stop thinking of "what if" this or that player is still with us...
raul handed in the official transfer request, so no point keeping him when his heart is not with us...
as for aquaman, he is more suitable to serieA football, so we can't be sure tat he'll produce the same performance for milan (or juve last season)in bpl, and he always prefer to go back italy.. same as raul, his heart is not with us

Well said, bro.

Henderson's best asset is bursting from midfield - something that Raul also does. Unfortunate that Henderson has to do a job on the right now, which means we won't see the best of him for a while.

It's pretty clear AA never wanted to play for us - kept talking about getting an agreement here and there.

Raul wanted to leave too - whatever he says, why else would he hand in a transfer request and we sell him for only 12m?

[Ninja_Assassin]

Raul wanted to leave too - whatever he says, why else would he hand in a transfer request and we sell him for only 12m?

Why dint LFC take better care of him?
I watched all the Chelsea games since the beginning of the season and they were damn terok. All that changed in the last game where everything clicked for them perfectly. I felt the reason for that was because of Raul. His intelligent and creativity transformed the whole Chelsea team. If he carry on to perform like in the last game, he gonna end up with the BPL Player of the Season award. What a waste for LFC to let him go. :mad:

[too_hot]

This proves Liverpool are still not there yet, Cannot compare to the 2 Manchester clubs.

The manchester clubs got quite a few new players too but they play like a well oiled machine....maybe instead of looking at the players, we should start looking at the coaches....

[rahl]

Why dint LFC take better care of him?
I watched all the Chelsea games since the beginning of the season and they were damn terok.

How far do you want to go? Promise him a third more money? Starting place in the team? A longer contract?

Raul played 20 mins against Exeter, 20 mins against Arse, 15 mins against Sunderland and he's the greatest player we don't have?

How many of you complained when we played Bolton off the park without him?

Have some faith in the players we have, guys.

[bochapsing]

"I made the right choice last year to come to England and to come to Liverpool and this year was different because I knew that I didn't want to leave Liverpool.

"I felt that the new owners didn't want to sell me, but when I knew that Chelsea and Andre wanted me, it convinced me."

Meireles added: "It was strange, because I knew of the interest of Chelsea, and the interest of the coach, and it was a pleasure to come to this club but it was strange because it was on the last day.

"The people think that I wanted to leave and it is only because Chelsea wanted me. For Andre to want me, that is why I wanted to go."

we din want to sell him, neither he wanted to go... until Villas-Boas, who he worked under at porto, came knocking at his door...

we all know tat he is a good player, but he's no longer a RED... so let's move on! :D

by the way, he has played just ONE game for cheski... ;)

[ProfessorOokami]

... like in the last game, he gonna end up with the BPL Player of the Season award. ....

Don't worry, we still have Lucas :rolleyes:

[rahl]

"I made the right choice last year to come to England and to come to Liverpool and this year was different because I knew that I didn't want to leave Liverpool.

"I felt that the new owners didn't want to sell me, but when I knew that Chelsea and Andre wanted me, it convinced me."

Meireles added: "It was strange, because I knew of the interest of Chelsea, and the interest of the coach, and it was a pleasure to come to this club but it was strange because it was on the last day.

"The people think that I wanted to leave and it is only because Chelsea wanted me. For Andre to want me, that is why I wanted to go."


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Here is Comolli's side of the story, plus some on AA and others:

We've had lots of fans asking why Raul Meireles was allowed to leave the club to sign for one of our rivals?

I think Raul said it himself with what I've seen recently in the press. Basically, he came to see me and said 'I want to leave, I want to play for another club'. Our intention was not to sell him but we were put in a corner a little bit when he put in a transfer request and said he wanted to go and that he didn't want to play for Liverpool anymore. I think the owners and Kenny have said it, and we all have the same view. When someone doesn't want to be here it's difficult to say 'you are going to stay'. We've been through that process in January with Fernando Torres and this felt like the same situation. We've done it, we think it was the right thing to do for the club, because it's very, very difficult to have somebody here who doesn't want to be here. The job of the manager in the Premier League is already difficult having to manage 25 players and only having 11 to start on a match day, so you have to deal with all the others. On top of that if you have someone who is adamant they don't want to be here and wants to play for someone else, we took the view it's better if he goes and we get the best possible deal for the club. In the end I think we did well.

We've also had a number of supporters wanting to know why Alberto Aquilani was allowed to leave on loan when he had impressed during pre-season?

With him it was more a question of opportunities to play. He's obviously a big player, he's got a very good resume and he's a very good player. But Kenny and the coaching staff felt he would play in a certain position. As I told Alberto during the summer, unfortunately in that position is someone called Steven Gerrard and it would have been difficult for Alberto to play. There were different reasons. There were tactical reasons, the fact he was playing in this position and also we felt it would have been very difficult to keep him here not playing regularly.

I've got to say I was very impressed with the way Alberto behaved throughout the process. He was really an act of class. He only wanted to play football. He was not obsessed about money or anything else and to be fair to him, I was very impressed by his attitude and his personality.

Is it true that we have first refusal on Eden Hazard as part of the loan deal for Joe Cole?

No, it's not true. I've seen those reports, but it's not true. He's a very good player, as everybody knows, but there's no truth in it.

Why have we loaned out Dani Pacheco?

Dani has gone on loan because we want to see him play in the first team somewhere. Last year he went to the Championship and had a good start, then he was sub for a few games, but he did well in those games. We know how well he can do at youth level, he did really well last year in the U19 European championships when Spain lost in the final against France, he did well at the U20 World Cup in Colombia in August, we were there and watched all the games.

The next step is 'can you show us what you can do in the first team?' It would have been difficult for him to play in our first team, and rather than play in the reserves we thought if there is an opportunity for him to go on loan to a good team in a top league, and we can see what he can do and if he can develop, it would be a good opportunity. That's why we took it.

I call it a development loan. Put the player on loan, see how he develops and then that will give us a very strong indication of where his career is going. It's a little bit like Peter Gulacsi, who is on loan at Hull City. We think Peter has got fantastic potential for the future, he's done extremely well with the U21s for Hungary, he captained the team, he played in the Toulon tournament at the end of May against very good teams and he was outstanding, and we felt that this year was important for him for his development.

We will monitor both of them very closely.

[ProfessorOokami]

Many a times, it may not be wise to move to another club just because of greater opportunities to play in the Champions League or what-not's....one has to face unknown pressure, alien team spirit that may takes time to adjust, different manager's temperaments, greater expectations to perform in a shorter time.....etc...just look at Torres who is now in dire straits...and will be a goner if he continues to be in that situation and relationship with his new team mates and manager :rolleyes:

Lets see if Raul will be another Torres in the making :cool:

[KangTuo]

Lets see if Raul will be another Torres in the making :cool:

i doubt so. he worked with AVB in porto before.

[Hurricane88]

Lets see if Raul will be another Torres in the making :cool:

Torres could return to Liverpool with a huge drop in salary...:p

[francined69]

i doubt so. he worked with AVB in porto before.

I agree. Without AVB, Raul would not have made the move to Chelsea.

[francined69]

Torres could return to Liverpool with a huge drop in salary...:p

Would Kenny Dalglish and Anfield want Torres back? The answer is NO!

[jj583]

bro,
think you are dam rite!! its about now and the future!! why keep a player who wants to leave Liverpool? Come on guys ... as per Mr Henry mention, we are behind a certain team for years ... the rebuliding process start now!! we will challenge for the TITLE in the near future ... YNWA!! Reds for life!!

[joew2005]

Torres could return to Liverpool with a huge drop in salary...:p

past is a history,future is a mystery.
who would gamble on a past ... not even the 2 manchester,real or barca.

[omnia]

not just meireles...juan mata looks to be a great purchase as well...sturridge up front also looks to be taking his chances...but no doubt the combo of meireles n mata looks good...may even give torres a new lease of life if he keeps his mouth shut n takes his chances wif drogba still out of action...

Why dint LFC take better care of him?
I watched all the Chelsea games since the beginning of the season and they were damn terok. All that changed in the last game where everything clicked for them perfectly. I felt the reason for that was because of Raul. His intelligent and creativity transformed the whole Chelsea team. If he carry on to perform like in the last game, he gonna end up with the BPL Player of the Season award. What a waste for LFC to let him go. :mad:

[omnia]

k tks for the tidbit...i am still not sure abt comolli(becoz of his past) but shall take his explanation at face value...looks like AVB was the turning pt for meireles...anyways wish him n aquilani welll...hope pacheco n gulacsi work out...same applies if hazard is available...

Here is Comolli's side of the story, plus some on AA and others:

We've had lots of fans asking why Raul Meireles was allowed to leave the club to sign for one of our rivals?

I think Raul said it himself with what I've seen recently in the press. Basically, he came to see me and said 'I want to leave, I want to play for another club'. Our intention was not to sell him but we were put in a corner a little bit when he put in a transfer request and said he wanted to go and that he didn't want to play for Liverpool anymore.

On top of that if you have someone who is adamant they don't want to be here and wants to play for someone else, we took the view it's better if he goes and we get the best possible deal for the club. In the end I think we did well.

We've also had a number of supporters wanting to know why Alberto Aquilani was allowed to leave on loan when he had impressed during pre-season?

As I told Alberto during the summer, unfortunately in that position is someone called Steven Gerrard and it would have been difficult for Alberto to play. There were different reasons. There were tactical reasons, the fact he was playing in this position and also we felt it would have been very difficult to keep him here not playing regularly.

I've got to say I was very impressed with the way Alberto behaved throughout the process. He was really an act of class. He only wanted to play football. He was not obsessed about money or anything else and to be fair to him, I was very impressed by his attitude and his personality.

Is it true that we have first refusal on Eden Hazard as part of the loan deal for Joe Cole?

No, it's not true. I've seen those reports, but it's not true. He's a very good player, as everybody knows, but there's no truth in it.

Why have we loaned out Dani Pacheco?

Dani has gone on loan because we want to see him play in the first team somewhere.

The next step is 'can you show us what you can do in the first team?' It would have been difficult for him to play in our first team, and rather than play in the reserves we thought if there is an opportunity for him to go on loan to a good team in a top league, and we can see what he can do and if he can develop, it would be a good opportunity. That's why we took it.

I call it a development loan. Put the player on loan, see how he develops and then that will give us a very strong indication of where his career is going. It's a little bit like Peter Gulacsi, who is on loan at Hull City.

[The Milk Man]

not just meireles...juan mata looks to be a great purchase as well...sturridge up front also looks to be taking his chances...but no doubt the combo of meireles n mata looks good.....

Sometimes the coaches and managers are crucial too...... Hodgson and KD had Meireles for awhile but did not know how to utilize him....... AVB knew Meireles inside out and used him effectively. :rolleyes:

Anyway what's past is past...... wish him all the best at his new club. :)

[terror03]

Suddenly Liverpool's right back position seems shortage of players.

Liverpool defender Glen Johnson will miss the next four to five weeks after aggravating a hamstring injury in the 1-0 defeat against Stoke on Saturday.

Johnson had been struggling with a hamstring strain sustained against Spanish side Valencia in pre-season and, although he only came off the bench in the 81st minute against Stoke, the full-back tweaked the injury.

Scans on Tuesday confirmed that he would miss at least a month of the season and he said on his Twitter account: "Can't believe my luck at the mo. Done my hamstring again. Hopefully be back soon.''

Liverpool travel to take on Tottenham at White Hart Lane on Sunday also without England Under-21 right-back Martin Kelly, who has a hamstring strain.

[Lone_Wolf]

Suddenly Liverpool's right back position seems shortage of players.


Dun worry..... Liverpool has several players that can play there.
Carragher, Flanagan, Henderson (yes JH started out as a right back until they pushed him up to midfield in the U-18s)........ even Dirk Kuyt can play there. :p

[bochapsing]

our RB will be up against bale tis saturday, he's fast and like to just push the ball pass the defender then try to out run him. tat can draw a foul or card very easily if the defender is a fraction of second slower and put a leg across him and catch his leg...

i think carragher will struggle to keep up to his pace..
flanagan's inexperience was exposed against sunderland, and i think it may be a big risk to play him..
skrtel was played as RB last 2 matches, he may not be the fastest, but i guess he may just get the nod from dalglish..

[waiwaiz]

Suddenly Liverpool's right back position seems shortage of players.


theres problem everywhere in liverpool.......lack of depth is one. :D depending too much from suarez is another. look wat happen last week when suarez fail to score...........they lose:confused:

[rahl]

our RB will be up against bale tis saturday, he's fast and like to just push the ball pass the defender then try to out run him. tat can draw a foul or card very easily if the defender is a fraction of second slower and put a leg across him and catch his leg...



But remember that Flanagan made his debut against City last season and did well against Milner and Johnson.

But yes probably Skrtel will get the nod.

I'm hoping Carra will be dropped - not to say I have lost faith in him but we have good competition now and Coates looks up to it.

[Ninja_Assassin]

theres problem everywhere in liverpool.......lack of depth is one. :D depending too much from suarez is another. look wat happen last week when suarez fail to score...........they lose:confused:

Suarez got score a lot of goals meh !??? :confused:

[SH149]

Looks like KD will make Skrtel cover the right side n will face Bale tonite

http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=957536&leagueTag=ENG.1&lang=EN

[Hurricane88]

Tomorrow match with Spurs.

My prediction

Tot 1 - 2 Liv

going for upset because spurs also not playing well at the moment.

[brian33]

Tomorrow match with Spurs.

My prediction

Tot 1 - 2 Liv

going for upset because spurs also not playing well at the moment.

Same tots..

[SH149]

Tomorrow match with Spurs.

My prediction

Tot 1 - 2 Liv

going for upset because spurs also not playing well at the moment.


Me need to meditate first before I come up my prediction :D

[terror03]

Liverpool down 1 goal early from Luka Modric.

Agger is limping also.

Signs are not good for Liverpool.

[terror03]

Debut for new boy Sebastian Coates who replace Agger.

More bad news, Adam sent off even before 30 mins.

[Hurricane88]

Liverpool down 1 goal early from Luka Modric.

Agger is limping also.

Signs are not good for Liverpool.

Worst...Adam sent off after 2 yellow cards...:p

[terror03]

Half time at White Hart Lane,

Spurs 1 - 0 Liverpool

Spurs are over whelming Liverpool in the 1st half, Liverpool need to re-group in the 2nd half & come up with something.

Draw is a very good result based on what I have seen.

But if can win better....:p

[joew2005]

HT 1-nil down + 1 man down as well.
it wouldn't be easy 2 get something out of tis game.
The Reds hv 3 players on 1 yellow card fr the 1st half, Sebastián Coates, Martin Skrtel & Luis Suárez.
Spurs hv only Emmanuel Adebayor on a yellow card fr the 1st half.

[terror03]

Wasted free kick by Suarez at the edge of the penalty box.

[terror03]

Getting worse, 2nd booking for Skrtel.

Day is getting worse.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

Can it get any worse? 2 goals down.

[HonkyTonkyMan]

Guess I spoke too early....:(

[happenin1]

now 3 goals down..

[HonkyTonkyMan]

Only thing to do now is damaged control and try and keep the score line at 3-0 hopefully...:(

[KangTuo]

didnt watch the match.... else i kana heart attack :(

[JoeHope]

KNS final score 4 - 0 :mad:

[terror03]

Final score,

Spurs 4 - 0 Liverpool

Painful while watching the match.

Skrtel was not a match for Bale.

What a heartbreak...:(

[bochapsing]

a game to forget...

we gave them too much space, and as expected, struggled badly against bale's pace...

never going to be easy playing with 1 man less, let alone 2, against a top-4 rival at their home ground...

dalglish has important task to bring up the team morale again...

and with injury to agger n suspension to skrtel & adam, it'll be even more inportant to have johnson, kelly n gerrard r back for next match...

going to have a super BLUE monday tomr... :(:(:(

[pirambis]

Haha. Glad you like it. Pirambi is very stressed now. He only posts in this thread. If everyone adds him to their 'Ignore list', soon no one will even respond to his insults... because no one can read them! :D

I teach you guys step by step on how to ignore him ok?

1. click on your user cp
2. Select 'Edit Ignore list'
3. Type 'Pirambi' under 'Add a member to your list'
4. Save changes.

Viola! No more nonsense from this nick.
Hey u r a Genius fool. Wat to do u dont take any good advice and continue to be a fool.. Btw dont worry, im not going to post anything among some fools whose team is fighting for a place in europa league and even relegation later. This is not a place or the champions. But i would come hhere often to read ur misery..
Just now saw ur match.. Ha a hha wata wonderful sight , losing to spurs 4-0.
HUMILIATED.
And that cheat suarez,, ha ha ha funny to see hhim claim hand ball last week against the opponent, what a unspiritied & cheat footballer he is..And he is deserved to be a on a team like urs...
I just feel sorry for only one man- daglish...

[pirambi]

Just now saw ur match.. Ha a hha wata wonderful sight , losing to spurs 4-0.
HUMILIATED.
And that cheat suarez,, ha ha ha funny to see hhim claim hand ball last week against the opponent, what a unspiritied & cheat footballer he is..And he is deserved to be a on a team like urs...
I just feel sorry for only one man- daglish...

[rahl]

No excuses, horrible game, I'm gonna take a break for a few days. :(

[HokkienPeng]

Few comparisons so don't be mad at me.

Downing for mata at 20m.
Henderson for jones at 20m.

This is gonna be a long long long season.

[preacher1010]

fraked up.
fraked up.
No more good will for Dalgish.
Wake up you old fart!

[pirambis]

wat a goal by nani

[pirambis]

fraked up.
fraked up.
No more good will for Dalgish.
Wake up you old fart!

Typical fool. Startd bashing the manager after few losses.

[owen10]

a game to forget...

we gave them too much space, and as expected, struggled badly against bale's pace...

never going to be easy playing with 1 man less, let alone 2, against a top-4 rival at their home ground...

dalglish has important task to bring up the team morale again...

and with injury to agger n suspension to skrtel & adam, it'll be even more inportant to have johnson, kelly n gerrard r back for next match...

going to have a super BLUE monday tomr... :(:(:(

yes, we were exploited by Spurs' speed. if i didnt recall wrongly, last season was also the same story, except that we did not have 2 men sent off. Somehow Adams doesnt seem like the same player who was so authoritative @ Blackpool last season. He's quite a hot tempered fella and his 2 silly challenges contributed to our downfall.

[golf]

yes, we were exploited by Spurs' speed. if i didnt recall wrongly, last season was also the same story, except that we did not have 2 men sent off. Somehow Adams doesnt seem like the same player who was so authoritative @ Blackpool last season. He's quite a hot tempered fella and his 2 silly challenges contributed to our downfall.

Adam is neither the fastest player nor best tackler, and he had committed some sclumsy fouls for the past few matches.

Side track a bit from our match.

http://www.footylounge.com/films//how-did-he-miss-that/fernando-torres-miss-vs-man-utd-video_a34b6e138.html

What a stunning miss by Torres against Man U!
He is a totally different player nowaday, maybe blue is not the colour for him.

[omnia]

no doubt a shocking miss by torres...perhaps similar to the miss by another ex red man ronny rosenthal...

however i think torres played quite well overall...his goal was pure class n on another day may well hv had a hatrick...the manure chelski game was a v curious yet exciting one...to me chelski were unlucky n sld hv actually come away wif something...manure were v strong on the flanks but looked vulnerable in the middle n defence at times...other teams sld take note of this...


What a stunning miss by Torres against Man U!
He is a totally different player nowaday, maybe blue is not the colour for him.

[omnia]

shocked by yesterday's performance at WHL...to be honest Spurs were by far the better team no doubt abt it...regardless of the 2 red cards which were on balance fair...

KD & SC plus Comolli hv alot to think abt it especially after spending 100m pounds...

time n again i hear pple saying henderson n carroll are for the future...but how do u justify paying 18m n 35m when u compare the pxes for kun, nasri, silva, mata etc?...u dont pay such huge pxes for potential u expect the completed product...n adam?...what happened to the blackpool player last season?...

looks like it is going be yet another difficult season...n hey i am only asking for 4th place!!...gutted...

[Hurricane88]

No excuses, horrible game, I'm gonna take a break for a few days.

I went to sleep after 3 nil...had enough...dun wan to watch anymore...:p

Lucky it is still early and still got time to improve...:p

[Regaine]

I went to sleep after 3 nil...had enough...dun wan to watch anymore...:p

Lucky it is still early and still got time to improve...:p

I switch off at half-time. Can't believe what I am watching in the first half . We were outplayed and outgunned in every department . But I too have to admit Spurs played an excellent game. Every of their player were all fired up and willing to fight for every ball.

[owen10]

I switch off at half-time. Can't believe what I am watching in the first half . We were outplayed and outgunned in every department . But I too have to admit Spurs played an excellent game. Every of their player were all fired up and willing to fight for every ball.

I was @ Spools watching last nite.

The 1st 15 mins was already telling who's controlling, who got more determination n who's likeliest to score 1st. Actually when Pool was 1-0 n 1 man down by end of 1H, i was still not giving up hope YET. (even went to buy Pool to come back to win @ 32x) I was hoping KD will give the hairdryer treatment n wake the boys up. N maybe with a tinge of luck, Spurs may have their man sent off, n Pool may nick a lucky goal.

I felt that KD, seeing that the team was not performing in 1H ought to have brought on subs early in the 2H rather than left it late. Think we needed someone speedy and creative like Bellamy to break d Spurs defence. But by the time Bellamy n Spearing came on, the damage was already done.
Dun think even teams like Barca or Devils can make a spectacular fightback with 2 man n 2 goal down.

[bigdude]

y everytime must put lucas? don really like him cos rather slow leh.. seldom shoot also.. Y dont KD put kuyt or maxi? At least they are much better than lucas lor.

I think carroll is becos only for his height lor. As a striker, he seldom shoot or dribble leh. At least suarez and bellamy does that.

Was hoping to see KD putting a suarez-bellamy combination lor.

[asspanker]

I was @ Spools watching last nite.

The 1st 15 mins was already telling who's controlling, who got more determination n who's likeliest to score 1st. Actually when Pool was 1-0 n 1 man down by end of 1H, i was still not giving up hope YET. (even went to buy Pool to come back to win @ 32x) I was hoping KD will give the hairdryer treatment n wake the boys up. N maybe with a tinge of luck, Spurs may have their man sent off, n Pool may nick a lucky goal.

I felt that KD, seeing that the team was not performing in 1H ought to have brought on subs early in the 2H rather than left it late. Think we needed someone speedy and creative like Bellamy to break d Spurs defence. But by the time Bellamy n Spearing came on, the damage was already done.
Dun think even teams like Barca or Devils can make a spectacular fightback with 2 man n 2 goal down.


well i dint want to waste my 1 for 1 beer with a friend so had to finish watching the game.. but i was always hoping for some positive result.. even a draw.. buttt.... :o blue monday..

[ProfessorOokami]

y everytime must put lucas? don really like him cos rather slow leh.. seldom shoot also.. Y dont KD put kuyt or maxi? At least they are much better than lucas lor.

I think carroll is becos only for his height lor. As a striker, he seldom shoot or dribble leh. At least suarez and bellamy does that.

Was hoping to see KD putting a suarez-bellamy combination lor.

Lucas is the BEST player as some super sifu can vouch for that, don't complain loh unless you are super-super sifu ....I am not, so "support" LUCAS loh :o

[HokkienPeng]

y everytime must put lucas? don really like him cos rather slow leh.. seldom shoot also.. Y dont KD put kuyt or maxi? At least they are much better than lucas lor.

I think carroll is becos only for his height lor. As a striker, he seldom shoot or dribble leh. At least suarez and bellamy does that.

Was hoping to see KD putting a suarez-bellamy combination lor.

You seriously not watching every game? For every creative midfielder, you will need a destroyer. Think mascherano, Alonso for Liverpool. Think viera for ars, keane for scum.

[owen10]

ok, juz for healthy discussion. not wanna criticise cos our new players did not perform up til expectations til now.

do u think if Mireles had stayed, start in every game n we did not buy adam/henderson we may have fared better???

true, it may take time to gel but sometimes i juz wonder if thr's somethg wrong with our training methods? seems like players like phil jones, young, smalling had settled well @ scums; likewise adebayor n parker @ spurs. even bad boy Barton started brightly @ QPR. can someone explain if this is some kinda DISEASE??? :mad::mad::mad:

[pirambis]

Guys watch this link very interesting
That guy could it be pirambi ?

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Manc-fan-stripped-of-his-shirt-at-LFC-pre-season-in-Asia-/blog/4879954/173471.html?b=

that so gay-ish...had it been a fool among the champions, they would ve let him sit with his shirt on and made him run with their champion chanting.

[hawksbay]

Few comparisons so don't be mad at me.

Downing for mata at 20m.
Henderson for jones at 20m.

This is gonna be a long long long season.

i never rated henderson and downing,i also don t think going all british is a good idea,we were hopless,hopefully it was a bad day at the office.i also think dalgish does not as anything to do with the signings,y on earth wld we sell our best player of last season meriles to a rival club.i guess if sum club with alot cash come for suarez pool wld sell him.u guys shd watch the movie moneyball starring brad pit and u might get the picture how the club is run.yes its gonna be a long long long painful season.it was sad cos dalgish did not have a clue of wat to do.

[hawksbay]

Adam is neither the fastest player nor best tackler, and he had committed some sclumsy fouls for the past few matches.

Side track a bit from our match.

http://www.footylounge.com/films//how-did-he-miss-that/fernando-torres-miss-vs-man-utd-video_a34b6e138.html

What a stunning miss by Torres against Man U!
He is a totally different player nowaday, maybe blue is not the colour for him.

yes he missed but he got himself into the goalscoring situation did he not,his first goal had class written all over it,i tot he rushed a bit for the missed effort but i tot he was awesome accept for that bad miss,he did miss alot when he was with pool as well.

[hawksbay]

ok, juz for healthy discussion. not wanna criticise cos our new players did not perform up til expectations til now.

do u think if Mireles had stayed, start in every game n we did not buy adam/henderson we may have fared better???

true, it may take time to gel but sometimes i juz wonder if thr's somethg wrong with our training methods? seems like players like phil jones, young, smalling had settled well @ scums; likewise adebayor n parker @ spurs. even bad boy Barton started brightly @ QPR. can someone explain if this is some kinda DISEASE??? :mad::mad::mad:

selling mireless was a mistake.letting aqua man go on loan is another,for god sake we need to do sumtin abt our defence,we were much better under rafa,comoli as got to wake up,its not all abt making money but sadly thats wat we have become.looks like our 19th is a long way off.

[Alkano]

Buying players for the future is one thing.
How about addressing the current situation?
We need experience players to guide the team...like SG
Lucas is not the player to lead the central midfield, neither is Adams...
They simply can't create that type of play like Raul or Alonso.
This is a fact...

[SH149]

Alonso ever expressed that he dun rule out a return to Anfield so just wondering will KD launch a bid to bring him back ? :confused:

[Xgenre]

Alonso ever expressed that he dun rule out a return to Anfield so just wondering will KD launch a bid to bring him back ? :confused:

Can't see it happening but then again, we have Bellamy. The new owners said they want to get players with resale value. Alonso is still highly valued by Real Madrid whereas Bellamy is out in the cold at Man City. Will love alonso back though. The girls love his looks, the guys love his passes. And we will be talking about goals from our own half (not own goals hor).

[brian33]

I went to sleep after 3 nil...had enough...dun wan to watch anymore...:p

Lucky it is still early and still got time to improve...:p

Cannot accept... need to improved faster lo..

[Regaine]

I was @ Spools watching last nite.

The 1st 15 mins was already telling who's controlling, who got more determination n who's likeliest to score 1st. Actually when Pool was 1-0 n 1 man down by end of 1H, i was still not giving up hope YET. (even went to buy Pool to come back to win @ 32x) I was hoping KD will give the hairdryer treatment n wake the boys up. N maybe with a tinge of luck, Spurs may have their man sent off, n Pool may nick a lucky goal.

I felt that KD, seeing that the team was not performing in 1H ought to have brought on subs early in the 2H rather than left it late. Think we needed someone speedy and creative like Bellamy to break d Spurs defence. But by the time Bellamy n Spearing came on, the damage was already done.
Dun think even teams like Barca or Devils can make a spectacular fightback with 2 man n 2 goal down.

We surely are missing a playmaker. I also really wonder why Dirk Kuyt was not in the starting line up. Another question is why we did not control the midflied ? :( Enough said this is one game I would rather forget . My only wish and hope now is that KD can motivate the lads to have a winning attitude and that they must win every game at all cost.

[Regaine]

Is anyone planning to watch this match ?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=331972&cc=4716

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/959775/kenny-dalglish-seeking-liverpool-response-at-brighton?cc=4716

Looks like Agger will be out for a few weeks . :(

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/959370/rib-fracture-sidelines-liverpool%27s-daniel-agger?cc=4716

[HokkienPeng]

Alonso ever expressed that he dun rule out a return to Anfield so just wondering will KD launch a bid to bring him back ? :confused:

Don't think it would ever happen. Anyway players return always did not out do their previous stint. Think Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler.

[owen10]

Is anyone planning to watch this match ?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/preview?id=331972&cc=4716

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/959775/kenny-dalglish-seeking-liverpool-response-at-brighton?cc=4716

Looks like Agger will be out for a few weeks . :(

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/959370/rib-fracture-sidelines-liverpool%27s-daniel-agger?cc=4716

would love to watch if im nt wkg next day but too bad im in a few hrs time. ok, later wake up hope to see scoreline on CNA read Brighton 0 Liverpool 5 (Suarez 2, Kuyt, Carroll , Stevie G). if Pool loses (pardon my smelly mouth!!!), it'll be one unforgivable sin!!!!! :mad:

G'nite bros!

[harahara88]

FT Brighton 1 Liverpool 2 ( Scorrers for liverpool Bellamy and Kuyt )

[rahl]

Good to pick up the win after a tough 2 weeks.

I didn't watch (won't pay Mio the extra for Goal TV!) but Maxi seems to have played well and was involved in both goals.

Nice to see Stevie back.

[waiwaiz]

don understand why max never feature in EPL? not good enough meh?

[NZL97]

bellamy was outstanding against brighton, never stop running & a constant threat throughout the game......kuyt & maxi also played well..............:)

IMHO, KD should start sat game against wolves wif the trio of bellamy, kuyt & maxi & relegate henderson, carroll & adam to the bench...............;)

good 2 see gerrard back as well...............come on u reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rahl]

bellamy was outstanding against brighton, never stop running & a constant threat throughout the game......kuyt & maxi also played well..............:)

IMHO, KD should start sat game against wolves wif the trio of bellamy, kuyt & maxi & relegate henderson, carroll & adam to the bench...............;)

good 2 see gerrard back as well...............come on u reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good idea for the line-up.

Stevie also started the move leading to the second goal by playing a long ball out of defence. Nice to see.

[Xgenre]

MHO, KD should start sat game against wolves wif the trio of bellamy, kuyt & maxi & relegate henderson, carroll & adam to the bench...............;)

Adam can't even be on the bench right? Play maxi means drop Downing? If Maxi is played along Gerrard in central midfield, then who is the defensive midfield in a 4-4-2 structure? Not critisizing your ideas ah, just discussing.

I will also like to see Spearing being given more matches. He is still developing and he should be given more games. He could be our future if Gerrard retires.

[The Milk Man]

I will also like to see Spearing being given more matches. He is still developing and he should be given more games. He could be our future if Gerrard retires.

Henderson is the one being groomed to replace Gerrard....... KD does not rate Spearing highly and even tried to palm him off on loan :rolleyes:

[The Milk Man]

don understand why max never feature in EPL? not good enough meh?

He never helps out with the defending duties :mad:

[HokkienPeng]

Adam can't even be on the bench right? Play maxi means drop Downing? If Maxi is played along Gerrard in central midfield, then who is the defensive midfield in a 4-4-2 structure? Not critisizing your ideas ah, just discussing.

I will also like to see Spearing being given more matches. He is still developing and he should be given more games. He could be our future if Gerrard retires.

This sat should go with an attacking 433. Put on the fire power.

Reina
Kelly Coates carragher Enrique
Kyut Lucas maxi
Suarez Carroll Downing

SG can come in after 50 or 60 mins. Not from the start. Don't wanna risk losing him.

[The Milk Man]

This sat should go with an attacking 433. Put on the fire power.

Reina
Kelly Coates carragher Enrique
Kyut Lucas maxi
Suarez Carroll Downing

SG can come in after 50 or 60 mins. Not from the start. Don't wanna risk losing him.

Your formation left out 2 key men in KD's game plans...... Adam and Henderson :rolleyes:

Knowing KD..... these 2 will definitely feature in this weekend's game :D

[SH149]

Just had a funny idea what if KD start with AC along with LS n Craig Bellamy on the both side how would it be ?

Just loved to see if the three trio can torment the opponent defence

[Xgenre]

Just had a funny idea what if KD start with AC along with LS n Craig Bellamy on the both side how would it be ?

It would be time to buy AOS. We score a lot and concede a lot too. Carra's legs will go before the match is over.

[SH149]

It would be time to buy AOS. We score a lot and concede a lot too. Carra's legs will go before the match is over.

That would be a good news to me as I for sure will patron Singapore pools more often :D