Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

[canthaveenuf]

I swear this is not a personal swipe ... but dun you think you're not very convincing at rallying the Red wave??
Haven't you already given up ... by accepting that only 2nd place is "certainly possible"?? :confused:

hehehe ..... me a very realistic and practical person wan.

I believe that realistically we can get 2nd. But it may be tough. That is why need to rally mah.

Cheers

[KingEros]

PENNANT LEAVES SAM'S PLAN OUT OF SHAPE
David Pleat, The Guardian 4 January 2007

Bolton Wanderers are rarely out-fought but their jaded players were outplayed and had no answer to the inspirational wing play of Jermaine Pennant.

The former Birmingham winger was a revelation at Anfield on Monday. His selection of passes, his movement with and without the ball and his combination play dominated a fine performance from Rafael Benítez's side. For all that Steven Gerrard, running midfield, and Steve Finnan fed him and supported him, it was the enigmatic winger who caught the eye. He showed the quality Liverpool hoped they would get for their £6.7m in the summer.

He was aided by Bolton's inadequacies. The visitors set out with their trusted formation, splitting the front runners El Hadji Diouf, Nicolas Anelka and Kevin Davies, but Liverpool settled quicker and dominated the attacking play with Gerrard and Xabi Alonso supported by the full-backs Finnan and John-Arne Riise.

Bolton's method means any two of their three front men must hold the wide positions - in the first half, Diouf and Davies were full of team responsibility but far too deep. The visitors were happy to defend, relying on their strong defensive duo of Tal Ben Haim and Abdoulaye Faye to compete when Finnan, Pennant or Riise pushed balls into the box.

When Bolton did win possession, their direct play bypassed a tiring Gary Speed, a spasmodic Kevin Nolan and a sluggish Ivan Campo, but Anelka was left far too isolated. As a result, Liverpool's full-backs pushed up. One can only assume Sam Allardyce was not too worried provided he got to half-time level, but his team could not go up a gear thereafter and Liverpool's wide play, particularly on the right, began to find spaces in advanced positions.

Pennant worked himself into good crossing positions and Kuyt and Crouch were always available, one coming short and the other pulling away whenever the winger received the ball. Liverpool deserve credit for having more than 60% of the second-half possession and 18 attempts on goal. Wanderers, through Faye, had only one.

[KingEros]

hehehe ..... me a very realistic and practical person wan.

I believe that realistically we can get 2nd. But it may be tough. That is why need to rally mah.
Call me a dreamer then ... but I really think a 14-point deficit with 16 matches still to play is most definitely a realistic target to catch up on, especially when the competition is not exactly a 1-horse runaway this season.
For the record, Scums, Chelskis & Arsenal have all yet to visit Anfield this season ... & all of these matches are potential 6-pointers, you know?? ;)

[rahl]

Call me a dreamer then ... but I really think a 14-point deficit with 16 matches still to play is most definitely a realistic target to catch up on, especially when the competition is not exactly a 1-horse runaway this season.
For the record, Scums, Chelskis & Arsenal have all yet to visit Anfield this season ... & all of these matches are potential 6-pointers, you know?? ;)

Bro, at this point, we are practically at a match by match situation. As you said, potential 6 pointers, if we lose or even draw one of those matches, it's going to be tough.

We are also no longer in control of the title race (if it's still on), we have to depend on the top 2 dropping points.

We been on a great run, been consistently solid at home, and have a premium defense but until we get much closer to the top, say, 6 points, it's much too premature to say we have a chance.

And also to improve and prove ourselves on the road, where there are still difficult places to visit.

[mocha33]

Good to sees everyone backing on Reds!! its reli very excited seeing them pulling closer to 2nd olace of the league.. but sincerely im praying a miracle to happen... 1st place

Chelsea reli doesnt bother me much.. maybe its becos they dun perform well now, but they reli dun have team work like what Arsenel or man.united or our mighty reds.. sooner or later they gonna to break down very soon.. thats y i sees liverpool will kick their ass real soon..

As for Man.united, they are reli playing some good football at the moment..
all thanks to RSR combination.. Rooney, Saha & RONALDO!!

i was thinking this.. if one day, Rooney gets injured, saha gets sick virus and Ronaldo gets burn out , all happen at the same time, what will happen to Man u then..

Yeah you can say im heartless or wat ever, but too bad im a REDS fans since my young days.. beside liverpool must keep on wining , they must pray something nasty happen at Devil`s camp..

[beck7777]

Really glad to see our mighty fellow reds supporter so enthusiat abt 2nd placing in EPL!!!!! :D

Be champions will of course be ideal lah...

But 2nd place is also an improvement from last season..

Then next season will be 1st!! :D

[kingcopa]

Well that is what i have been looking forward to every season for many many yrs liao.

[mahalosux]

Hi bro, at least we are in the middle range payout $18 so 50-50% they will go all the way to the final AGAIN!

i remember 1 of my fren told me..his colleague anyhow hum tum a group of "not so fav" teams....b4 the start of CL 3 seasons back...and in the end..make quite a bit when Porto lift the cup...

wonder who dare to hum tum on Lille this season....:eek: :D

anyway..going to hum tum 20 bucks for fun for pool to win EPL and CL respectively...hehehehe..i noe the $$ may gone to waste..but jus for the fun of it.....

[mahalosux]

Well, I've already put the money where my mouth is (for the record, months ago when LFC couldn't even bag a point away from Anfield) ... 25 PRC FLs' worth of it.
As they say on the Kop, we'll never walk alone. ;)

no harm done...if it's a small bet...:D

[canthaveenuf]

Call me a dreamer then ... but I really think a 14-point deficit with 16 matches still to play is most definitely a realistic target to catch up on, especially when the competition is not exactly a 1-horse runaway this season.
For the record, Scums, Chelskis & Arsenal have all yet to visit Anfield this season ... & all of these matches are potential 6-pointers, you know?? ;)

Me also like to dream of Liverpool being EPL champions. Which Red supporter wouldn't right? If it happens, it would be great. But as it is right now, it is still a dream. I just hope it doesn't turn into a nightmare.

A 14 point deficit means Liverpool has to win 5 games, this is not impossible. But, on the other hand, it would also mean MU has to lose 5 games. Now, to an optimist, that is possible. But, realistically speaking, at the rate they are going, I seriously doubt so, although I certainly hope so.

Yes, those big teams haven't visited Anfield. But, sorry for being so pessismistic, but, I dun think Anfield will be a fortress forever. At some point, we will lose a home game. If it is not one of these big birds, it will be one of the little ones.

So in totally, if things stay like as it is right now, I really dun see us winning it this year. Next year, certainly a good chance if we don't start like we did this year.

Cheers

[onion_rings]

Be champions will of course be ideal lah...

But 2nd place is also an improvement from last season..

Then next season will be 1st!! :D

So all mighty fellow red supporter, lets's hope "luan luan" benitez's rotation work for the coming next season :D

[onion_rings]

wonder who dare to hum tum on Lille this season....:eek:

anyway..going to hum tum 20 bucks for fun for pool to win EPL and CL respectively...hehehehe..i noe the $$ may gone to waste..but jus for the fun of it.....
Lille definitely my bet not on them....Bro mahalosux, rather place my bet on pool too which i already did also...Was deciding to bet $100(sacrifice one syt prc bonk) or $50(sacrifice one milf prc bonk)Final decision my bet goes to "one milf prc bonk" heheh:D

[mahalosux]

Lille definitely my bet not on them....Bro mahalosux, rather place my bet on pool too which i already did also...Was deciding to bet $100(sacrifice one syt prc bonk) or $50(sacrifice one milf prc bonk)Final decision my bet goes to "one milf prc bonk" heheh:D

just to tink of it..if POOL get the Cup..u can bonk 18 PRC MILFs....:D

[Regaine]

Lets all wish Liverpool will do well tonight. :)

[onion_rings]

just to tink of it..if POOL get the Cup..u can bonk 18 PRC MILFs....:D
Eh bro, IF pool can really get the CL. I rather spend on 5 syt prc & 4 milf prc. The rest give to CO for shopping. Lidat she happy & my little bro will be even happier :p

[mahalosux]

Eh bro, IF pool can really get the CL. I rather spend on 5 syt prc & 4 milf prc. The rest give to CO for shopping. Lidat she happy & my little bro will be even happier :p

if both my bet goes thru smoothly:

Lge: 20 x 25 = 500
CL: 20 X 18 = 360

Total = 860

i will spend 400 to treat my colleagues 1 bottle at Lisboa...the rest of 460... will subsidize part of my short trip to BKK wif my CO.....:D

[onion_rings]

if both my bet goes thru smoothly:

Lge: 20 x 25 = 500
CL: 20 X 18 = 360

Total = 860

i will spend 400 to treat my colleagues 1 bottle at Lisboa...the rest of 460... will subsidize part of my short trip to BKK wif my CO.....

Wow seem like ur more generous hoh...Make me feel bad man:p

Well at least we know how do our homework 1st den go n cheong :D

[beck7777]

So all mighty fellow red supporter, lets's hope "luan luan" benitez's rotation work for the coming next season :D

Haha... Ya.. Cos next season will mark 17years without the title...

Long & painful period for me and all fellow Reds! :(

[onion_rings]

Haha... Ya.. Cos next season will mark 17years without the title...

Long & painful period for me and all fellow Reds! :(

Bro can u dun remind us how long already...BUt come to think of it alot of EPL club din even get it make me feel so much better :D

[mahalosux]

Wow seem like ur more generous hoh...Make me feel bad man

Well at least we know how do our homework 1st den go n cheong :D

ai yah...just my wishful thinking lah...dunno will materialized....now say will do this and tat wif the $$$...but end of the day...mayb 40 bucks go down the drain....:o

[onion_rings]

ai yah...just my wishful thinking lah...dunno will materialized....now say will do this and tat wif the $$$...but end of the day...mayb 40 bucks go down the drain....:o

Hey small knife can also cut big tree...Even if we dun win the bet...At least can still dream a bit mah...:D

[mahalosux]

Hey small knife can also cut big tree...Even if we dun win the bet...At least can still dream a bit mah...:D

hahaha...yah loh....at least ..if Pool manage to create miracle...there will be double joy...:p

[KingEros]

if both my bet goes thru smoothly:
EPL: 20 x 25 = 500
CL: 20 X 18 = 360

Total = 860

i will spend 400 to treat my colleagues 1 bottle at Lisboa...the rest of 460... will subsidize part of my short trip to BKK wif my CO.....:D
If either of my bet goes through smoothly:
EPL = S$100 x 40 = S$4000
CL = S$100 x 15 = S$1500

I will sponsor S$1k to organise a victorious get-together for the 10 Most Passionate Reds within this thread ... if it's a double win, then I will sponsor another S$1k to hire the babes for the nite.
How about that?? Surely YNWA, right?? :D

[KingEros]

Long & painful period for me and all fellow Reds! :(
Hmmm ... wonder what it's like supporting Newcastle United?? Or Aston Villa??

Anyway, I should count my lucky stars having been there to share in the joy of the Reds winning 9 of their 18 English Championships, all 5 of their European Cups, all 3 of their Super Cups, 1 of their 3 UEFA Cups, 5 of their 7 FA Cups, all 7 of their League Cups & 10 of their 15 Charity Shields.

But seriously, 16 years is a long time to wait ... I could have gone through another round of compulsory education in SIllypore!!! :rolleyes:

[owen10]

had been reading d buzz here abt Pool winning d EPL. sorry for pouring coldwater, but me oso Reds fans but cant help bein a pessimist tt we'll at best be onli able to grab d 2nd spot. i thk a more realistic bet will b on Pool winning d ECL.

or y not if wanna punt, u may want to bet on Chelski to win d EPL. odds @ 2.10 dam good. onli 6 pts separating itslf n manure n everybody's starting to panic.

roman has got ample cash to burn. all he needs to do is to burn several more millions to bring in gd players to beef up d squad. current squad is not weak lah, actually i dun understd y critics like to put d entire blame on d missing Terry which caused d whole defence to crumble. Look at d defence, they r not at all d worst players in town!

But of cos manure needs to self destruct lah. current squad is too consistent liao - when rooney is off form, they can still depend on saha, scholes, ronaldo, giggs to do d job.

g'luck to all punting bros n specially to our beloved Pool agt Arse tomorr morning!

[mahalosux]

If either of my bet goes through smoothly:
EPL = S$100 x 40 = S$4000
CL = S$100 x 15 = S$1500

I will sponsor S$1k to organise a victorious get-together for the 10 Most Passionate Reds within this thread ... if it's a double win, then I will sponsor another S$1k to hire the babes for the nite.
How about that?? Surely YNWA, right?? :D

hahaha...then good luck 2 u...

for all Pool fans...it's not the $$ tat we will want to win from the bet..is the return of past glory tat we want...the dominance we used to have....:D

[onion_rings]

for all Pool fans...it's not the $$ tat we will want to win from the bet..is the return of past glory tat we want...the dominance we used to have....

Yes during the days when pool dominate the EPL & europe in the 80s i have started to support them...Hmmm at that time im still a blur blur young boy :o Till now im still a bit blur blur kekek:D

[KingEros]

hahaha...then good luck 2 u...

for all Pool fans...it's not the $$ tat we will want to win from the bet..is the return of past glory tat we want...the dominance we used to have....
Uncle ... dun get me wrong.
It's never been about the money ... else I would not have stayed loyal to the Reds throughout the 90s. I even have a tattoo done during those years in the doldrums, to prove my eternal loyalty to LFC. :rolleyes:

Yes during the days when pool dominate the EPL & europe in the 80s i have started to support them...Hmmm at that time im still a blur blur young boy
Well, I was a bigger boy than you then ... I started my allegiance at the beginning of 76 when LFC was the team wearing dark colours with thick white trimmings on the collar & sleeves. Black & white TV lah.
Irony was that the guy who got me hooked onto supporting LFC was none other than Kevin Keegan, but he left for Hamburg within the next year. Also dunno why I stayed stuck to LFC ... maybe becoz there wasn't Bundesliga on our TV until much later?? :D

[onion_rings]

Also dunno why I stayed stuck to LFC ... maybe becoz there wasn't Bundesliga on our TV until much later??

Bro Kingeros, till now there still isn't Bundesliga league live in spore leh :(

Why Pool can attract so much supporter in this world is becos of the slogan


YNWA :D

[KingEros]

Bro Kingeros, till now there still isn't Bundesliga league live in spore leh :(
Well, I remember there was some Bundesliga stuff on TV in the late 80s or early 90s ... then, in more recent times on Cable TV too - maybe becoz it was cheaper but no local fan was interested.

Why Pool can attract so much supporter in this world is becos of the slogan
YNWA
Well, I dun think I knew anything about YNWA until I was way into my teens ... the real reason why I stuck by LFC was the way they play - the never-ending simple triangular passes (between Souness, Dalglish, Whelan, Nicol, Hansen, McMahon, Johnston, Lee etc ... )that make monkeys out of the opponents & the final tap-in (from Johnson or Rush) when the loopholes start presenting itself upon the opponents being stretched.
BTW, I married twice ... & both times, I used the YNWA theme as my wedding march. Can anybody else beat that?? :rolleyes:

[onion_rings]

Well, I dun think I knew anything about YNWA until I was way into my teens ... the real reason why I stuck by LFC was the way they play - the never-ending simple triangular passes (between Souness, Dalglish, Whelan, Nicol, Hansen, McMahon, Johnston, Lee etc ... )that make monkeys out of the opponents & the final tap-in (from Johnson or Rush) when the loopholes start presenting itself upon the opponents being stretched.
BTW, I married twice ... & both times, I used the YNWA theme as my wedding march. Can anybody else beat that?? Yeah bro, the triangular passes have now been uses quite frequently in EPL especially the winning teams wanted to waste more time at the ending time. Imho still prefer they uses the triangular trick to score a spectacular goal or even if the goal is not spectacular those passes is simply splendid. Den to waste time down the clock.

But in the 90s, u can see from live matches Pool a lot of times just tried the long passes & hope they will get sumting from there which i dun really agree. But as times goes by they are improving bit by bit too which is a relive to us pool supporter :)

Btw bro Kingeros, to practically SAYING YES twice need a lot a lot of courage siah! But to play YNWA theme both time. Ur damn hardcore man also too ur my hero kekeke! Will there be a 3rd time??? Nah joking nia bro!~!! :D

[canthaveenuf]

for all Pool fans...it's not the $$ tat we will want to win from the bet..is the return of past glory tat we want...the dominance we used to have....

Yah, Right ..... :D

Me dun bet wan, so for sure I support them not becos of $$$ :D

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Well, I remember there was some Bundesliga stuff on TV in the late 80s or early 90s ... then, in more recent times on Cable TV too - maybe becoz it was cheaper but no local fan was interested.

Yah, I remember those days too ..... Still remember the commentator like very boring wan unlike the English League wan so much passion.

Well, I dun think I knew anything about YNWA until I was way into my teens ... the real reason why I stuck by LFC was the way they play - the never-ending simple triangular passes (between Souness, Dalglish, Whelan, Nicol, Hansen, McMahon, Johnston, Lee etc ... )that make monkeys out of the opponents & the final tap-in (from Johnson or Rush) when the loopholes start presenting itself upon the opponents being stretched.

Wow those names really bring back fond memories ..... For me, I was like damn blu, didn't know nuts about the theme song at all until much much later. I don't even understand that the commentator meant when he said "The Kop".

For me, the reason why I fell in love with Liverpool was the players. Reason being they are skillful. Most important is becos they always play fair, don't cheat, and very gentlemanly. I dun really recall any of the past Liverpool team engaged in any foot-brawl. And of course, they always win. :D And esp when they beat Manure, those ass-holes.

BTW, I married twice ... & both times, I used the YNWA theme as my wedding march. Can anybody else beat that??

Wow, first time I heard ppl use YNWA for wedding wan. The title is very fitting lah, but the music can meh? Your wifey must also be a Liverpool fan or she so much impressed by you she dun care?:D

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Will there be a 3rd time??? Nah joking nia bro!~!! :D

What is dat? Triangular pass? :D

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Any bro got any opinion on the news that Javier Mascherano joining the Reds and not being able to play?

Duh?

Someone got his screws loose or wat? This one beats all logic man. What is Benitez thinking if it is true? :confused:

And if he can play, how does he fit in? And more importantly who will be out? I tot our midfield already got quite a number of players liao? Someone moving out?

Cheers

[KingEros]

Btw bro Kingeros, to practically SAYING YES twice need a lot a lot of courage siah! But to play YNWA theme both time. Ur damn hardcore man also too ur my hero kekeke! Will there be a 3rd time??? Nah joking nia bro!~!!
Well, my whole life was about fucking around ... then, as I was approaching 30, kinda ended up with a girl with the same "been there, done that, now I wanna settle down" mentality ... so, we decided to get married which turned out to be the BIGGEST mistake I ever made in my life ... while she truly wanted to settle down, the inner me still couldn't stop fucking around. :p
When my divorce got through after 3 years of separation, I swore I wouldn't get married again ... how nice it was to just continue to explore every other girl I fancy. As soon as I formed that in my mind, I ran into this not so pretty, not so sexy girl ... well, she quietly convinced me that she's the woman meant for me until I'm totally wasted - by understanding my needs, to the extent of even allowing me to continue to fuck around, plus attending a swing party organised by a samster here & most significantly, partaking a 3some with a samstress here.
Well, she's pregnant now & my boy is due in less than 3 months' time ... & over the past months, she has been encouraging me to find my own sexual fulfilment, in lieu of her difficulty in acceding to certain position & intensity.
Humans are strange animals ... when you can't have it, you'd do everything to get it ... when you can have it anytime, you tend to not want it anymore ... so I dare say there will not be a third time lah. :D

[KingEros]

Yah, I remember those days too ..... Still remember the commentator like very boring wan unlike the English League wan so much passion.
Worst thing is ... there was only this one single commentator. :D

And esp when they beat Manure, those ass-holes.
Actually hor ... we didn't beat the scums too often even when we were really reigning in the English or European fronts. I still hate the scums right to the core - they're just 1 bunch of bloody arrogant twats, but what else can they be when they only have Alex Ferguson as their role model??
In fact, I dun dislike Chelsea or Arsenal ... if you look back far enough, LFC was exactly like that during the 80s. I mean, we keep winning & winning ... everybody else were hating LFC like crazy, criticising our many "boring" 1-0 wins - in contrast, the scums were supposed to be playing the sexy football without winning the titles.

Wow, first time I heard ppl use YNWA for wedding wan. The title is very fitting lah, but the music can meh? Your wifey must also be a Liverpool fan or she so much impressed by you she dun care?
Well, a piece of trivia for you ... YNWA is originally a church hymn, which the Kop started to sing becoz of the appropriately touching lyrics.
With those lyrics, you think any women would say no?? :rolleyes:

[KingEros]

Any bro got any opinion on the news that Javier Mascherano joining the Reds and not being able to play?

Someone got his screws loose or wat? This one beats all logic man. What is Benitez thinking if it is true? :confused:

And if he can play, how does he fit in? And more importantly who will be out? I tot our midfield already got quite a number of players liao? Someone moving out?
If it's not about this clause, Juventus would have signed him liao.
I think Rafa is shrewd ... Mascherano is a ball-winner, so he should provide good competition for Sissoko (in fact, he's known to play & score better than Sissoko) ... being Argentinian, he also would have a ready bunch of Spanish-speaking merry-men to help him adapt quicky ... given half a season to be away from the spotlight but still training together with the lads, he should regain his confidence too. What's more ... he's only in his early 20s & will last a long time yet.

[canthaveenuf]

If it's not about this clause, Juventus would have signed him liao.
I think Rafa is shrewd ... Mascherano is a ball-winner, so he should provide good competition for Sissoko (in fact, he's known to play & score better than Sissoko) ... being Argentinian, he also would have a ready bunch of Spanish-speaking merry-men to help him adapt quicky ... given half a season to be away from the spotlight but still training together with the lads, he should regain his confidence too. What's more ... he's only in his early 20s & will last a long time yet.

OK. That makes sense.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Yes, those big teams haven't visited Anfield. But, sorry for being so pessismistic, but, I dun think Anfield will be a fortress forever. At some point, we will lose a home game. If it is not one of these big birds, it will be one of the little ones.


Sorry RED fans. Our fortress has fallen!!! And it has fallen too meekly. :mad: Didn't know it would happen so early.

We surrendered !!!! No fight, no ideas, no inspiration. Gerard wandering around and looking rather tired. And why did he not block that 2nd Arsenal goal? Why did he siam? :confused:

So disappointing !!!

Cheers

[ukcheong]

ya so sad to have lost to the Gunners. Anyway u win some u lose some... let's continue to go for points in the EPL. YNWA

[KingEros]

We surrendered !!!! No fight, no ideas, no inspiration. Gerard wandering around and looking rather tired. And why did he not block that 2nd Arsenal goal? Why did he siam? :confused:
What I'm gonna say will be categorised as "lame excuse" by most ...
But looking at how the team lack fight last nite, I have a strange feeling Rafa may have suggested that Tue's QF is more important than the R3 game last nite ... maybe even stressed that they cannot be doing well on all fronts.
Let's see whether we sweep past Arsenal on Tue nite. :)

[coolfire69]

What I'm gonna say will be categorised as "lame excuse" by most ...
But looking at how the team lack fight last nite, I have a strange feeling Rafa may have suggested that Tue's QF is more important than the R3 game last nite ... maybe even stressed that they cannot be doing well on all fronts.
Let's see whether we sweep past Arsenal on Tue nite. :)

Wonderful insight by you bro.. Totally agree! If not, why would Rafa have chosen Dudek in goal instead of Pepe?? :p ... And I'm quietly confident we WILL sweep past gonners on Tues nite...

[Frankiestine]

Sorry RED fans. Our fortress has fallen!!! And it has fallen too meekly. :mad: Didn't know it would happen so early.

We surrendered !!!! No fight, no ideas, no inspiration. Gerard wandering around and looking rather tired. And why did he not block that 2nd Arsenal goal? Why did he siam?
So disappointing !!!

Cheers

Damn called it sixth sense or what but somehow I knew it wasn't going to be smooth sailing for this match hence chose not to watch...I just hate it when the players starts talking big (maybe they are just trying to play up the morale futher) but I noticed that each time Pool does well and the players starts acting up, the next game they falls flat on their face....and of all the places...Anfield..:mad:

[canthaveenuf]

What I'm gonna say will be categorised as "lame excuse" by most ...
But looking at how the team lack fight last nite, I have a strange feeling Rafa may have suggested that Tue's QF is more important than the R3 game last nite ... maybe even stressed that they cannot be doing well on all fronts.
Let's see whether we sweep past Arsenal on Tue nite. :)

I was thinking of that as well. We may be in the Carling Cup QF but this is the FA Cup leh. I tot got more prestige. Some more, Stevie was claiming that he wants to be the first Liverpool captain to hoist the cup in consecutive years. But then again, this is just first run of FA Cup so still long way to go, so maybe Carling Cup makes more sense. So maybe losing this match is a blessing so dat we can focus on the more achievable goals like 2nd place, Carling Cup and CL. Just hope if this is Raf's thinking, he is proven right. Hopefully we dun end up empty handed this season.

Did you see Stevie last nite like very very relaxed leh. I dun see him smile so much before any match. So, maybe he was prepared to just lose this one.

Next Tues also at Anfield rite? Let's hope we rebuild our fortress again and kick some butts.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Wonderful insight by you bro.. Totally agree! If not, why would Rafa have chosen Dudek in goal instead of Pepe?? :p ... And I'm quietly confident we WILL sweep past gonners on Tues nite...

I dun think Pepe would have made any difference, although Dudek may be a little rusty. He was hardly tested throughout the match and when the critical moments came, he just grab air. Didn't make a single save I think.

Arsenal was quite pathetic in the first 30 mins. But, once again our forwards just couldn't score just like the previous matches. Perhaps they were thinking that they will score after the 45 mins. Maybe if Bellamy was in, it may have made a huge difference. And then suddenly, they had one simple chance and they scored. and then another simple chance, scored again. That really killed the spirits. That is the difference between players who take their opportunities well and our strikers. They just need one chance. Ours ...... hainz ..:(

Cheers

[KingEros]

I was thinking of that as well. We may be in the Carling Cup QF but this is the FA Cup leh. I tot got more prestige.
Prestige only means anything if & when you have your hands on the cup itself ...

Next Tues also at Anfield rite? Let's hope we rebuild our fortress again and kick some butts.
Yes, it's at Anfield ... so is the return league match against the Gunners.
BTW, the concept of fortress is but only a facade ... no fortress last forever. By breaking that winning run in a match of inconsequence (assuming my theory of Rafa's thinking is true), it kinda reduce the pressures of maintaining that record off the players' minds ... to me, it's okay to lose a few battle, as long as we win the war. :rolleyes:

That is the difference between players who take their opportunities well and our strikers. They just need one chance.
I really think it's a case of hunger ... seems like Arsenal treats the FA Cup as the only thing they can win, while LFC's focus was shifted elsewhere. :)

[canthaveenuf]

Yes, it's at Anfield ... so is the return league match against the Gunners.

Ah ... so many chance to get even ....

BTW, the concept of fortress is but only a facade ... no fortress last forever.

My sentiments precisely.

By breaking that winning run in a match of inconsequence (assuming my theory of Rafa's thinking is true), it kinda reduce the pressures of maintaining that record off the players' minds ... to me, it's okay to lose a few battle, as long as we win the war. :rolleyes:

Hope so. But it could also have a negative effect on them too. A loss is still a loss and can be quite difficult to pick up after that, esp at home, whether got record or not.

I really think it's a case of hunger ... seems like Arsenal treats the FA Cup as the only thing they can win, while LFC's focus was shifted elsewhere. :)
Maybe so, but Arsenal and us is almost in same boat. Both are fighting for the 2nd/3rd place, meet in FA Cup and Carling Cup, CL still got chance .... So, maybe they may let us win the Carling Cup QF? Maybe Raf and Wenger ba-gak already -- you take one I take one? hehehe

Cheers

[owen10]

im not sure if other bros may agree with my views.

i feel we lost cos of d 3 silly defensive errors. look at d replay you'll see how silly we conceded d goals. on d other hand, Pool failed to create that many chances. d Arsenal defence was rock solid. when we had our chances we failed to finish off.

it's sick to hear our proud record at Anfield 'fortress' bein broken by our arch rivals. nvm, we still maintain our proud epl home rec ok! bo bian lor gotta go for d 2nd grade League Cup now ... hopefully we will end up victors this time round. if those gunners buggers do a double over us it'll b hard to swallow man!!! :mad:

[mahalosux]

[QUOTE=KingEros;1795848]Uncle ... dun get me wrong.
It's never been about the money ... else I would not have stayed loyal to the Reds throughout the 90s. I even have a tattoo done during those years in the doldrums, to prove my eternal loyalty to LFC. :rolleyes:


guess u have misunderstood...i mean every pool fans will like to see pool win and dominate the league......rather than pool helping them to win their bets...


mayb xiao di's cannot express properly.....paiseh...:o

[mahalosux]

Yes during the days when pool dominate the EPL & europe in the 80s i have started to support them...Hmmm at that time im still a blur blur young boy :o Till now im still a bit blur blur kekek:D

hmmm..at least u saw them dominate the league..the year i supported Pool is 1991..and not even a single league title....it is during the trip tat they arrive in singapore for a game..tat's when i start to notice the english league....

[mahalosux]

Yah, Right .....

Me dun bet wan, so for sure I support them not becos of $$$ :D

Cheers

i used to bet...and i bet for them...lost quite a bit....until i decide tyo stop betting and jus watch for the enjoyment....:o

[owen10]

i used to bet...and i bet for them...lost quite a bit....until i decide tyo stop betting and jus watch for the enjoyment....:o

bro i think d typical Liverpool fan would tell u they do not/seldom bet on Liverpool matches cos they r so difficult to predict. u bet this, they'll give u anthr result vice versa hahaha. happened juz too many times liao leh. they juz so inconsistent. sometimes i juz bet small small for fun, like when im watchin d match with frens or when i've had some 'gut instinct' they'll win. for d record i have never bet AGAINST Pool cos i wont want to win $$$ but see my team lose.

[mahalosux]

bro i think d typical Liverpool fan would tell u they do not/seldom bet on Liverpool matches cos they r so difficult to predict. u bet this, they'll give u anthr result vice versa hahaha. happened juz too many times liao leh. they juz so inconsistent. sometimes i juz bet small small for fun, like when im watchin d match with frens or when i've had some 'gut instinct' they'll win. for d record i have never bet AGAINST Pool cos i wont want to win $$$ but see my team lose.

yah..tat's y i stop betting...for Pool and skip all Pool matches...sometimes when my fren asked me to predict for them ..they will not ask me on the outcome for pool match..as they know..i will be biased...

and the thread on guessing the pool results..i oso try not to predict..cos when i predict pool to win..it will be draw or lost...so better zipped my mouth on tat..:o

[Cummon]

for d record i have never bet AGAINST Pool cos i wont want to win $$$ but see my team lose.

Same sentiments here,& very reluctant to bet the Devils and Rent Boys win:D

[owen10]

yah..tat's y i stop betting...for Pool and skip all Pool matches...sometimes when my fren asked me to predict for them ..they will not ask me on the outcome for pool match..as they know..i will be biased...



when my fren ask me for advice on Pool games i normally will tell them honestly what i thk, n many times quite zhun. (not how lian lah hehe) eg last game agt Blackburn ... i asked my fren to makan ball @ all costs. N he may
also want to consider a daring bet on BB, hedge with a draw. of cos deep in my heart i hope my Pool will win lah. but it turned out Pool lost loh. :(

[Frankiestine]

hmmm..at least u saw them dominate the league..the year i supported Pool is 1991..and not even a single league title....it is during the trip tat they arrive in singapore for a game..tat's when i start to notice the english league....

hmmm u miss the golden years bro...first supported them in 76 when i was in sec 1..every week will wait for the latest Shoot magazine just hoping that they will have the team pic in the centre spread..never looked back since then..

[mahalosux]

when my fren ask me for advice on Pool games i normally will tell them honestly what i thk, n many times quite zhun. (not how lian lah hehe) eg last game agt Blackburn ... i asked my fren to makan ball @ all costs. N he may
also want to consider a daring bet on BB, hedge with a draw. of cos deep in my heart i hope my Pool will win lah. but it turned out Pool lost loh.


haizz..i always avoid Pool games...when i bet..mayb i m 'jinx' to them ...if i m to bet for them...the score will either b a Pool draw or lost...:(

and i do not and have so far never bet against them.... though like u ..sometimes..if i m not confident Pool can make it..i will just advise my fren dun play...

similarly..when MU play some matches they can beat the odds easily...my fren asked me for advise..i definitely says MU..but deep down inside..i hope the opp happens...:D

[mahalosux]

hmmm u miss the golden years bro...first supported them in 76 when i was in sec 1..every week will wait for the latest Shoot magazine just hoping that they will have the team pic in the centre spread..never looked back since then..

tat was the time when they win alternatively..or year in, year out....the 80s..whereby they won 3 in a row...

haizz..when i start to support and watch foreign soccer...souness just took over..and everything seems to go downhill.....

[onion_rings]

i hope the opp happens...:D

Not u nia...Lots of red supporter & me will curse it to happen example no sex for a week if it happen kekek:D

[mahalosux]

Not u nia...Lots of red supporter & me will curse it to happen example no sex for a week if it happen kekek:D

yah loh...yeaterday one of my anti MU fans watch Baros equalized...happy like hell..then i see the clock still got 10 min...i tink...still got time for MU to score..in the end it really happens..haizz...hope for MU not to win..but your head tell u...they sure win...haizz...another season of misery....:(

[onion_rings]

yah loh...yeaterday one of my anti MU fans watch Baros equalized...happy like hell..then i see the clock still got 10 min...i tink...still got time for MU to score..in the end it really happens..haizz...hope for MU not to win..but your head tell u...they sure win...haizz...another season of misery....

Yeah man, but frankly speaking 4min after villa equalise they put super sub solskjaer in the game plus the way they posesses & dominate the field including those deadly set pieces & can see ronaldo, giggs & roney all play quite good i also tell myself siao liao surely 2-1 on the way liao :mad: :(

[kb_soo80]

hi guys, had been surfing this website for quite sometime n finally decide to register to post some comment n views. Firstly, had been a pools supporter since 1980s n was wondering wheather benitez could groom another deadly foursome as in the 80s consisting of 2 midfielder of john barnes n peter beardsley n strikeforce of john aldrige n ian rush. This 4 was once a terror to any teams that played against them. But now can only see 1 promising star in steven gerrrard. Secondly to all supportors let put saturday defeat aside. This wednesday match will see the pools beat arsenal 2-0. Cheers.

[mahalosux]

Yeah man, but frankly speaking 4min after villa equalise they put super sub solskjaer in the game plus the way they posesses & dominate the field including those deadly set pieces & can see ronaldo, giggs & roney all play quite good i also tell myself siao liao surely 2-1 on the way liao :mad: :(

with the supply of crosses from ronaldo and giggs..and the ever green solskjear who have make a name for scoring the all-important last min goal.....haizz...

actually the past few seasons tat MU failed to win the title ..one of the factor is the long term absence of solskjear....Van Nisteroly, rooney, smith, saha...do not pose tat type of threat tat solskjear does....

[onion_rings]

do not pose tat type of threat tat solskjear does....

Absolutely agree bro, still remember the CL final between Bayern Munich v MU? 1st half BM leading 1-0 all the way till the final mins(alrdy thinking of how to spend my winning bet liao):D Den last 3mins MU just went bersek from losing till win 2-1 ouch! After that i totally loses interest in sex for a month damn :mad:

[mahalosux]

! After that i totally loses interest in sex for a month damn :mad:


is it...after tat i tot there's no more justice in footballl.....:(

[onion_rings]

is it...after tat i tot there's no more justice in footballl.....:(

Haahaa damn kelong hoh. At that time got a rich but boastful yaya MU fan. So we are trying to con him saying MU giving half ball but in actual fact it's BM giving level half at that time. That's fxxker really believe us & give us half ball to our delight, condition is we win 70% lose full. Can u imagine draw we also win full leh but to all dismay *&^%$#@%&* That yaya guy win 100% from our pool bet $38000($5000 from me):(

That why till this day MU is my most hatred team & their fan i find them too offensive & too proud liao.

[mahalosux]

Haahaa damn kelong hoh. At that time got a rich but boastful yaya MU fan. So we are trying to con him saying MU giving half ball but in actual fact it's BM giving level half at that time. That's fxxker really believe us & give us half ball to our delight, condition is we win 70% lose full. Can u imagine draw we also win full leh but to all dismay *&^%$#@%&* That yaya guy win 100% from our pool bet $38000($5000 from me):(

That why till this day MU is my most hatred team & their fan i find them too offensive & too proud liao.

no offence..now tat chelski has dominated 2 seasons..all MU fans gather and say tat all neutral fans hate chelski...and will like MU to b champion...when they were dominating..they always hv something againts arsenal, pool and chelski fans......now they r no longer dominating like b4, they cannot ya ya..

i always believe that a huge bulk of MU fans oni tune in to soccer during the 90s..those who stick to them b4 they start winning anything, hv my utmost respect...though i dun support their team..but being a fan of team who have yet to win anything and stick to them..they r really something...

i see some of my friends who claimed to be die hard supporter of MU..and when MU no longer dominate like b4..they kept quiet and show no interest on EPL..but out of sudden this season ..MU start to perform..they come out and start to talk and talk again.....

a real fact i heard from someone...majority of those from Manchester support City..those who support United r from other parts of england, ireland and the rest of the world....

[rahl]

There is a big match coming up and can we all drop the Man U crap pls. We are not obsessed with the Scum unlike most of them with us.

[kb_soo80]

Right man. Big match tonite. Liverpool yto take revenge wife 2-0 victory. Cheers. Heard Dudek playing in goal. If yes, must have confidence wif him.

[onion_rings]

There is a big match coming up and can we all drop the Man U crap pls. We are not obsessed with the Scum unlike most of them with us.

Yes bro rahl, tonite it's revenge time hopefully ;) :D

[KingEros]

Heard Dudek playing in goal. If yes, must have confidence wif him.
Yeah, seems like Rafa has promised Dudek all the Cup games ... that's why it hasn't been a case of Kahn vs Lehmann at Melwood yet.
Anyway, Henry's goal was really soft ... let's hope Dudek keeps a clean sheet later. :cool:

[coolfire69]

I'm pretty sure he will bro... This guy WILL perform whenever the odds are highly stacked against him... So let's all get behind dudek and the rest of Pool!! :D

WALK ON!!!

[kb_soo80]

Wat the Fxxx !!! we were thrashed 6-3? Sorry bros i didnt watch the game but may i ask did pool really play badly?

[beck7777]

Shocking!

Let in 9 goals in 2 games..

Out of 2 cup competition within 3 days..

Its getting crappy...

Anyone has a reason for it? :mad:

[Frankiestine]

Shocking!

Let in 9 goals in 2 games..

Out of 2 cup competition within 3 days..

Its getting crappy...

Anyone has a reason for it? :mad:

Huh? haven't heard the news or read papers...9 goals 2 games..the first game alreadly lost 3-1...you mean this game they let in 6 goals??:eek:

[rahl]

Huh? haven't heard the news or read papers...9 goals 2 games..the first game alreadly lost 3-1...you mean this game they let in 6 goals??:eek:

Shocking game. Defense totally overrun by Arse's pace and passing, and Paletta really shown up. It's probably not his fault as the goals were well made but Dudek didnt really look interested.

I'm more worried about our injuries. Luis and Speedy stretchered off. If serious, we are gonna have a real problem on the left.

[canthaveenuf]

Shocking game. Defense totally overrun by Arse's pace and passing, and Paletta really shown up. It's probably not his fault as the goals were well made but Dudek didnt really look interested.

I'm more worried about our injuries. Luis and Speedy stretchered off. If serious, we are gonna have a real problem on the left.

Last night woke up at 3:40 am, damn excited to watch the game, then, saw the line up of both teams -- wah seh, machiam two reserve teams playing, like as if both sides not taking this very seriously like dat.

Just saw the first 15 minutes or so, saw Speedy being stretchered off -- looks like damn jialat. Then went to sleep liao cos match so boring -- no fluency at all from both teams.

This morning heard from radio Pool lost 6-3, :eek: I almost fell off my chair ..... WTF !!! Is this Liverpool we are talking abt? How can this happen !!! Our second stringers so jialat wan meh?

Now we can only hope for success in the CL. But with two big matches ending up so humiliating, will our EPL chance also go south???? Hopefully the players will pick themselves up and push for 2nd place.

Cheers

[mahalosux]

mayb Pool no longer a cup team ..... lost the chance of winning 2 cups in the space of 4 days....

[SpaceAce]

Liverpool is a club you love and hate to support!!!

When you think they are good they suck big time...

When you lost confident in them. They play extreamly well...

People like me suffer cos i support them since Ian Rush days!!!! Sigh Sigh:(

[coolfire69]

RAFA DEFENDS TEAM SELECTION
Paul Eaton 10 January 2007

Rafael Benitez last night defended his team selection after watching Liverpool crash out of the Carling Cup.



Arsenal triumphed at Anfield for the second time in four days as they became the first team since Sunderland in the 1930s to hit Liverpool for six on their own ground.

Benitez was naturally disappointed with the size of the defeat but he has no regrets about fielding a much changed line-up against Arsene Wenger's men.

"We used a lot of players from the first team squad and they also changed a lot of players," he said.

"The difference was each attempt they had was a goal. They had quality and played good football and we tried to do the same but it's not easy to do the same when they are scoring the goals.

"The goals are difficult to explain. It was the same the other day, we were controlling the game but they had three attempts and scored three goals.

"We can talk about players and tactics and everything but in football it's about scoring goals and they scored the goals.

"It's easy to talk about a lot of things but the difference is we conceded a goal each time and the game changed.

"We used some senior players and some young players so I can't point the finger at any one player.

"For defending against a team of quality you need to use all the team - attacking is the same. But we need to improve our defending against teams like Arsenal."

He added: "It's a bad game but with a lot of years managing and training, I think you need to accept these things and put them behind you as quickly as possible, which we need to do for the Champions League and Premier League.

"We tried to do our best but we conceded goals so you can't change the score now.

"The only thing I can do is say sorry to our supporters because they were the best in the game."
(Extracted from www.liverpoolfc.tv)


Well, we just have to accept that we lost, and move on... Take this as only a setback. As true fans, we should support the team and Rafa even more during this setback, rather than start start to sling them off...

IN RAFA WE TRUST...

[rahl]

RAFA DEFENDS TEAM SELECTION

Well, we just have to accept that we lost, and move on... Take this as only a setback. As true fans, we should support the team and Rafa even more during this setback, rather than start start to sling them off...

IN RAFA WE TRUST...

Dont get me wrong bro. Im not using this opportunity to take a crack at Rafa for rotation etc. But at the same time, lets not whitewash the facts. We had a very poor game defensively and many of our players were simply outplayed by a young Arse side.

I have lotsa hope still this season. Its an exciting season. But also frustrating how we seem to go to pieces once we concede. That's surely not good enough.

[canthaveenuf]

The difference was each attempt they had was a goal. They had quality and played good football and we tried to do the same but it's not easy to do the same when they are scoring the goals.

"The goals are difficult to explain. It was the same the other day, we were controlling the game but they had three attempts and scored three goals.

"We can talk about players and tactics and everything but in football it's about scoring goals and they scored the goals.



That is exactly the problem. We were not such a lousy team attacking or defending really. The 6-3 scoreline was too flaterring to the gunners.

The biggest problem was that we are not taking our chances well. And when that happens over a long period, the team gets frustrated and holes begin to form at the back. And that is where teams like Arsenal with their clinical finish can score goals. We can get away from minnow teams but against Arsenal, the backline has to be water-tight. And once we concede silly goals like that, it is a mountain to climb to come back again and then, frustrations start to build again.

I think Rafa needs to solve this problem of not scoring first despite all the many chances the team created. And when that fails, Rafa needs to get the team composed and focused.

Easier said than done of course. But he is paid to win. Hopefully we will come back stronger from this setback.

Liverpool all the way. YNWA. Rafa, we support you.

Cheers

[Frankiestine]

People like me suffer cos i support them since Ian Rush days!!!! Sigh Sigh:(
then i lagi worst been a pool supporter since Kevin Keegan days..:(

[rahl]

That is exactly the problem. We were not such a lousy team attacking or defending really. The 6-3 scoreline was too flaterring to the gunners.

I think Rafa needs to solve this problem of not scoring first despite all the many chances the team created. And when that fails, Rafa needs to get the team composed and focused.

Cheers

What you said is only half right. We did well attacking but defensively we were shocking. Case in point the last Arse goal when Aliahdare (sp) took a long ball out of defence, accelerated past Paletta and left him flat on the ground and squared the ball for Baptista to tap in.

Surely it can't be just abt making sure we score first. We are rapidly seeing 2 Liverpools - one that wins when we score first and the other that loses when we concede. The ball is round and shit always happens. No matter how much you try to score first, we can always find ourselves going behind.

The real problem is to find the composure and character to come back and win the game. That's what champions are made of.

Rafa's pt about our youngsters and Arse's youngsters is a good one. Ours are just good for the reserves. This is a big problem in the long run and we got to splash on the talent of the future. We have a young first team but we need good youngsters in the reserves as well.

[mocha33]

Although the loses to Ars is a big blow to liverpool, i still strongly believe that they will pick themself up again on the next matches.

TOTAL FAITH IN THEM!! :D

[canthaveenuf]

What you said is only half right. We did well attacking but defensively we were shocking. Case in point the last Arse goal when Aliahdare (sp) took a long ball out of defence, accelerated past Paletta and left him flat on the ground and squared the ball for Baptista to tap in.

What I meant was that in general our defence was generally OK, although sometimes lose concentration. This time it wasn't dat good I admit but prob becos the lineup was not the usual strong and regular one.

Surely it can't be just abt making sure we score first. We are rapidly seeing 2 Liverpools - one that wins when we score first and the other that loses when we concede. The ball is round and shit always happens. No matter how much you try to score first, we can always find ourselves going behind.

Like U say loh, the ball is round. So anything can happen. To improve the odds of winning, must try to score first successfully. Only then we can be more confident and play better. In our last matches, you see how the floodgates open once we start scoring? We were lucky then that we managed to score first, albeit very late. But once we dun start scoring, we increase the risk of losing dramatically.

The real problem is to find the composure and character to come back and win the game. That's what champions are made of.

Agree totally. We are still not made up of that stuff yet.

Rafa's pt about our youngsters and Arse's youngsters is a good one. Ours are just good for the reserves. This is a big problem in the long run and we got to splash on the talent of the future. We have a young first team but we need good youngsters in the reserves as well.

Rafa just complained that the board hasn't release enuf funds for him to get players ....... is he preparing a way out for himself, given the recent talks of him leaving Anfield?

Cheers

[rahl]

Rafa just complained that the board hasn't release enuf funds for him to get players ....... is he preparing a way out for himself, given the recent talks of him leaving Anfield?

Cheers

Hope not. I think it's good he has the guts to make a point to the board. He is speaking with the investment in mind. ;)

[Warlord1919]

Liverpool, U never walk alone, we fans stand by u in faiths, trash Arsenal next meeting !!!:)

[coolfire69]

Liverpool, U never walk alone, we fans stand by u in faiths, trash Arsenal next meeting !!!:)

Yup bro, And that is when it really matters... in the EPL! :D

[coolfire69]

RAFA: OUR SEASON IS STILL ALIVE
Paul Eaton 11 January 2007

Rafael Benitez today declared Liverpool's season is still alive, despite the recent Cup disappointments against Arsenal.


The Reds are preparing for this weekend's visit to Watford on the back of two defeats which have led some people to suggest the club has no chance of winning any silverware this season.

Benitez is remaining upbeat, however, and insists there's still much to play for with Premiership points to be won and a two legged tie with Barcelona to come in the Champions League next month.

"I am sure when we play teams like Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal later in the season, it can be a different result," said Benitez.

"If we have all our players available, and have no more bad luck with injuries, I know how strong our first team can be.

"People are talking about how strong Arsenal were in the last two games, so maybe this shows how well we've done to finish above them in the Premiership last season and to be third at this stage now.

"Last season I remember Manchester United losing early in the Champions League and losing to us in the FA Cup. People were saying things about them, but now they are at the top of the table.

"We are sure we can progress from here in a similar way, and remember we are still fighting in two competitions."
(Extracted from www.liverpoolfc.tv)



Hmmm.. Somehow I get the feeling that Rafa really didn't wanna waste too much effort in both the FA And Plastic Cups, and concentrate on consolidating our position in the EPL & preparing better for progression in CL...:D

But it's really heart-wrenching to know that Garcia will be out for the rest of this season... :(

IN RAFA WE TRUST... YNWA!!

[GongCB]

then i lagi worst been a pool supporter since Kevin Keegan days..:(

U guys really r old timers man..But the Liverpool of old was the best..You had the trickery of John Barnes..the shimmer of Beardsley to conjure something in midfield, n the cool deadly turn n shoot finish of Ian Rush & John Aldridge. Steve Mcmahon was the tough tackler..Craig Johnston was also another midfiled general. Alan Hansen was strong in the air. My fave was Steve Nicol who could run up and down the right flank n also serve well as a tough tackler.

But all came to nuthing when the ass-hole Grame Souness took over the club n destroyed everything. All the composure, passsing was gone. KNN...n Pool took 10 yrs after he left to rebuild to a class worthy to challenge for honours, but still I felt a rung below the class of 86-92.

[spunk9]

then i lagi worst been a pool supporter since Kevin Keegan days..:(

Wow we are in the same era too... ;)

[Frankiestine]

Wow we are in the same era too... ;)

yeah those were the good old days when Liverpool was untouchable...then they were a fortress with players like keeper Clemence, Emily Hughes, on the wings were Steve Heighway, Ian Calleghan, Ray Kennedy, striker John Toshack and Kevin Keegan..and how about super sub David Fairclough..back then Liverpool can go thru entire season with one or two defeats..haiz how i really miss those glory days..:(

[canthaveenuf]

Hope not. I think it's good he has the guts to make a point to the board. He is speaking with the investment in mind. ;)

Ｂｕｔ　Ｉ dun think the board would appreciate him washing "dirty linen" in public, just not the Liverpool way, I feel.

Hopefully the board gets the message and we see better days ahead. :)

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Hmmm.. Somehow I get the feeling that Rafa really didn't wanna waste too much effort in both the FA And Plastic Cups, and concentrate on consolidating our position in the EPL & preparing better for progression in CL...

I feel same way too. Maybe it is a blessing in disguise. Now that we are out of the cups, we can concentrate on EPL and CL. No point spreading ourselves too thin when we have so little resources.

I guess even if we had won that match, and if we got those horrendous injuries to Speedy and Garcia, we wouldn't be able to go very far in the Cup and EPL anyway. So, maybe it is better for us.

But it's really heart-wrenching to know that Garcia will be out for the rest of this season... :(


Really !!! Wow. That is very bad news indeed.

Quite an interesting coincidence that all those injured folks come from the left side of the team hor .... Garcia, Speedy, Warnok. Maybe the letf side got some black magic ... :D Now who do we have left on the left? Only Riise and Fabio. Jialat.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

..haiz how i really miss those glory days..:(

Maybe 10, 20 years later, we may look back and see 2007 onwards as another period of GOLDEN YEARS ..... :D

It is possible U know, the ball is round.

Cheers

[coolfire69]

RAFA: WE ALL WANT THE BEST FOR LIVERPOOL
Paul Eaton 12 January 2007

Rafael Benitez has insisted he and the club's board are working together to ensure a bright and successful future at Anfield.

The Reds' boss is disappointed with the media coverage which followed his side's Carling Cup defeat to Arsenal, and frustrated with suggestions there are problems between himself and the board.

Benitez has backed up his thoughts by launching a defence of his managerial record so far and he insists he has the faith and trust of everyone at the club to bring more trophies back to Anfield.

"I'm really disappointed in the way things have been presented and misinterpreted since yesterday morning," he said.

"I have no problem with my board. This club is going in the right direction, and I was brought here to improve our situation.

"We have done this in two years by winning big trophies, winning more Premiership points than we've had for 17 years and bringing in players whose value has doubled.

"Three years ago we had players like Diouf and Cheyrou who we couldn't sell. Look at the value of their replacements compared to the price we paid for them.

"The board brought me to win the Premiership, not to get to the semi-final of the Carling Cup. My relationship with them is fantastic and they have been doing their best for a long time to help bring more success. Rick Parry and the Chairman want the best for Liverpool, as we all do.

"That's why they are talking to new investors and that's why they brought me here. Why are they doing this? To help build a new stadium and to buy top class players in the future.

"Liverpool have been 17 years without winning the Premiership, so tell me what's our main priority?" he added. "Nobody wants to lose.

"It's disappointing we lost, and more disappointing how we lost, but we have to look at our squad and set priorities. We have shown how much we are progressing and people who analyse the whole situation understand.

"The future of Liverpool is not the semi-final of the Carling Cup, it is challenging for the Premiership and Champions League. The Carling Cup is always a good option, but it is not the biggest priority.

"People talked about the team selection because they have no understanding of the whole situation. We need to finish in the top four to qualify for the Champions League and buy more top players. We have Manchester United, Chelsea and Barcelona to come here soon. Those games are more important.

"We will make mistakes, but when you look at the bigger picture you can see how much progress has been made."

(Extracted from www.liverpoolfc.tv)


Hey bro canthaveenuf,
I guess I was pretty correct about Rafa wanting to consolidate our position in the EPL & progress further in the CL... He always looks at the big picture... :D

Also, knowing how the damned English press can be, Rafa didn't really wash dirty linen in the public, but was maybe misquoted, as always... as mentioned above...

Well, to better results for the rest of the EPL & CL season...


IN RAFA WE TRUST...!!

[coolfire69]

REDS SIGN ITALIAN GOALKEEPER
Paul Eaton 12 January 2007

Liverpool have confirmed the signing of Italian under-21 goalkeeper Daniele Padelli from Sampdoria, subject to international clearance.

Padelli, who was on loan with second division Crotone in the first half of the season, has signed until the end of the season when the Reds will have the option to agree a permanent deal.

"He's a good young goalkeeper who has been selected for his national side," said manager Rafael Benitez.

"Our scouting department are working really hard to bring good young players to the club and I'm delighted we have been able to sign Padelli."

(Extracted from www. liverpoolfc.tv)


Finally, the above news is official... :D

Well, looks like the end is nigh for our distraught Dudek... Will always be remembered more as a legend then someone who let in 9 goals in 2 consecutive matches...IMHO... :p Wonder if any bros here know more about our new signing, Padelli...

[CoOl_ViBeS]

Hi all, me Reds fan here...hope that i'm welcome here...:D

[pokalalo]

Welcome & hello to all Red fans.

[viewsonic]

Super Swede will cost Liverpool £7M
(from tribalfooball.com)

Liverpool have agreed a deal for 16-year-old Swedish striker Astrit Ajdarevic.
Ajdarevic is expected to move to Liverpool for a fee of around £2 million from Falkenburg.

"It's the biggest deal I have ever made," Falkenburg chairman Lars-Eric Nilsson told Hallands Nyheter.

"It's rare for a player of his age, it's impressive. We went back and forth for a while but I liked doing business with Liverpool and I had a feeling we could make a good deal in the end."

Reports suggest the deal could rise to £7 million.

[canthaveenuf]

Hey bro canthaveenuf,
I guess I was pretty correct about Rafa wanting to consolidate our position in the EPL & progress further in the CL... He always looks at the big picture... :D

Also, knowing how the damned English press can be, Rafa didn't really wash dirty linen in the public, but was maybe misquoted, as always... as mentioned above...


Yah, now dat he has only CL and EPL left, he can't use any of these kinds of excuses anymore if he next. :D

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Finally, the above news is official...

Well, looks like the end is nigh for our distraught Dudek... Will always be remembered more as a legend then someone who let in 9 goals in 2 consecutive matches...IMHO... :p Wonder if any bros here know more about our new signing, Padelli...

I am those sentimental type. Really pity Dudek. Well, he will always be my hero for the last CL win.

Good luck to him.

How abt Pepe? Could Padelli be brought in to replace Pepe? Pepe had always wanted to go back to Spain and he seems to be rather unfocused lately. Maybe Rafa needs to purchase another goalie. Buffon is available.:)

Cheers

[KingEros]

My fave was Steve Nicol who could run up and down the right flank n also serve well as a tough tackler.
Ever since I knew Steve Nicol was doing fine coaching the New England Revolutions, I've been secretly hoping he'd be the LFC manager one fine day in the future.
As a player, he's been one helluva servant ... he's even more "utility" than Carragher, having been played as striker once or twice when the injury list was huge. Such a man can only be a good & loyal manager for the Reds.

But all came to nuthing when the ass-hole Grame Souness took over the club n destroyed everything.
Have you ever sit down & think for yourself what the state of affair was when Souness took over ... sure, he was not the best manager but most definitely, he did not destroy everything. IMHO, Dalglish started the rot ... go check for yourself what the average age of the team was by the time he decided to walk out on the Reds.

[KingEros]

I am those sentimental type. Really pity Dudek. Well, he will always be my hero for the last CL win.
A manager is merely doing his job ... by recognising when the sell-by-date is. Well, that's what they call professionalism.
For Dudek's case, letting in 9 goals in 2 matches & holding the worst Anfield record since the war is not going to do his confidence any good ... for a goalkeeper, that's everything. So, he will hafta go ... sooner or later.

How abt Pepe? Could Padelli be brought in to replace Pepe? Pepe had always wanted to go back to Spain and he seems to be rather unfocused lately. Maybe Rafa needs to purchase another goalie. Buffon is available.
Pepe has said, along with Crouch, that he has no immeidate intention to leave the club.
Padelli only represents the future ... after all, he's not even played at the highest level back in Italy.
Even if we get Buffon, I'm not sure he won't get a culture shock on what the little tricks referees allow against the goalies ... the number of high balls a continental keeper has to handle in EPL is another thing they need to overcome too.
So, who do we have to take over from Dudek?? Well, remember Scott Carson?? He's still on our books ... :cool:

[rahl]

[B][COLOR="royalblue"]Have you ever sit down & think for yourself what the state of affair was when Souness took over ... sure, he was not the best manager but most definitely, he did not destroy everything. IMHO, Dalglish started the rot ... go check for yourself what the average age of the team was by the time he decided to walk out on the Reds.

Of cos Kenny did the damage by walking out as he hadn't renewed an aging team.

But who struck the fatal blow was Souness. I don't think any other manager would have done worst with the players he brought in and the rift he caused in the club.

[canthaveenuf]

Ever since I knew Steve Nicol was doing fine coaching the New England Revolutions, I've been secretly hoping he'd be the LFC manager one fine day in the future.
As a player, he's been one helluva servant ... he's even more "utility" than Carragher, having been played as striker once or twice when the injury list was huge. Such a man can only be a good & loyal manager for the Reds.

Yah, vaguely remembered this guy too. I am sure he will be a loyal servant to the Pools. But I am not so sure if the board or the new investors will go for local coaches. Foreign talent seems to be the way to go for the top clubs, whether it is the right thing or not, is another matter.

Have you ever sit down & think for yourself what the state of affair was when Souness took over ... sure, he was not the best manager but most definitely, he did not destroy everything. IMHO, Dalglish started the rot ... go check for yourself what the average age of the team was by the time he decided to walk out on the Reds.

I tot Dalghish did quite a bit of good for Pools? Prob early on in his career? Maybe towards the latter part, too much pressure, can't take it and failed.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

A manager is merely doing his job ... by recognising when the sell-by-date is. Well, that's what they call professionalism.
For Dudek's case, letting in 9 goals in 2 matches & holding the worst Anfield record since the war is not going to do his confidence any good ... for a goalkeeper, that's everything. So, he will hafta go ... sooner or later.

haha ... dat's wat I call ruthless. :D

But I do agree Dudek has to go. His heart seems to be gone liao. And with the latest outburst against Rafa, confirmed.

Pepe has said, along with Crouch, that he has no immeidate intention to leave the club.
Of course they will say dat lah. Must keep cards close to the heart mah. But he did let slip his intention. I won't be surprised if he is gone by season end.


So, who do we have to take over from Dudek?? Well, remember Scott Carson?? He's still on our books ... :cool:
Carson? He is on loan to one of the other EPL clubs right? Hopefully he gets enough experience and exposure and play time there before coming back. Dun quite remember him as being very fantastic though.

Cheers

[KingEros]

But who struck the fatal blow was Souness. I don't think any other manager would have done worst with the players he brought in and the rift he caused in the club.
I beg to differ ... there were so many things stacked against, I just dun think any other manager could have done any better:
1) the baggage of LFC's glorious reign ... think about it: it took us how many years to accept the fact that LFC cannot be winning everything for 30 years running ... or have we??
2) the bootroom concept ... it had to be someone from the ranks, therefore someone who has yet made a name for himself (as a manager) ... in other words, someone who is just a great LFC player previously.
3) the Pinnochio called Phil Thompson ... this big-nose is so big-headed he's ruined LFC twice becoz of his big ego; the 1st time, Souness had to sack him as reserve manager & the 2nd time, Houllier backed him over Fowler.

[KingEros]

I tot Dalghish did quite a bit of good for Pools? Prob early on in his career? Maybe towards the latter part, too much pressure, can't take it and failed.
Dalglish's short tenure did bring in some more glory ... but I see it as a testament to what previous managers have done. He managed to sign the big players in their prime becoz all of them dreamt of making it as a LFC player in their youth ... but what Dalglish forgot to take care of is the youth policy that was supposed to ensure there was to be no vacuum when these same big players advance into their 30s.
He didn't quit becoz of pressures 'coz everyone loves him ... IMHO, he left becoz he knew he has messed up & he knew even more he didn't know how to clean up the mess. :(

[KingEros]

But I do agree Dudek has to go. His heart seems to be gone liao. And with the latest outburst against Rafa, confirmed.
Was there an outburst?? Before or after these 2 massacre matches??
If it's before, then what logic would make Rafa still promise him the Cup games??
If it's after, I sure haven't read about it yet ... care to direct??


Of course they will say dat lah. Must keep cards close to the heart mah. But he did let slip his intention. I won't be surprised if he is gone by season end.
How about a side-bet of $10??
I say Reina will still be around when the next season kick off ...


Carson? He is on loan to one of the other EPL clubs right? Hopefully he gets enough experience and exposure and play time there before coming back. Dun quite remember him as being very fantastic though.
He's with Charlton ... I've not been impressed with what I saw of him so far too - but there must be some good reason why he's continued to be in the England squad: either there's a real dearth of goalkeeping talents in England or we really know nuts about goalkeepers. :D

[ukcheong]

Was there an outburst?? Before or after these 2 massacre matches??
If it's before, then what logic would make Rafa still promise him the Cup games??
If it's after, I sure haven't read about it yet ... care to direct??


Actually I think Dudek's misquoted - as usual in their press. He mentioned about his rustiness etc and they then somehow link it to saying he blames Rafa for not playing him in 1st team so therefore he was rusty.......

Anyway 3-0 today.... Crouchie two goals.

[Warlord1919]

Anyway 3-0 today.... Crouchie two goals.

Yap, 3-0. hope that Chelsea slip and Liverpool close the gap. :) :)

[blurlikefuc2]

i am a turncoat supporter :D

[Cummon]

After this 3-0 easy win,we should be more convinced with what Rafa said
in a recent interview :
We should look at the bigger picture .....we don't have the resources to compete at all four competitions.
I am sure we won't take him as a good manager if we win the Carling cup & finish 5th in the league.
Bring on Chelski !

[canthaveenuf]

Was there an outburst?? Before or after these 2 massacre matches??
If it's before, then what logic would make Rafa still promise him the Cup games??
If it's after, I sure haven't read about it yet ... care to direct??

It was not really an outburst lah. Wrong choice of word. After the 2nd match, he did say something about not being given enuf playtime, well, indirectly blaming Rafa loh. Dun think Rafa will appreciate that.

How about a side-bet of $10??
I say Reina will still be around when the next season kick off ...

I dun bet wan lah. :D Need money to cheong mah .....

Nonetheless, I am not so sure to be happy if Reina stays. He hasn't impressed me that much so far.

He's with Charlton ... I've not been impressed with what I saw of him so far too - but there must be some good reason why he's continued to be in the England squad: either there's a real dearth of goalkeeping talents in England or we really know nuts about goalkeepers.

He is with the Under-21s no?

He is still in the England squad becos they dun have good enuf goalies. The last well known one was the pony-tailed Seaman guy right? Who do we have now? Butterfingers James? Fat Robinson? Yep, they do have a dearth of goalkeeping talents.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

After this 3-0 easy win,we should be more convinced with what Rafa said
in a recent interview :
We should look at the bigger picture .....we don't have the resources to compete at all four competitions.
I am sure we won't take him as a good manager if we win the Carling cup & finish 5th in the league.
Bring on Chelski !

Supposed to be easy win, but I think they had to work pretty hard for it. Starting with 3 strikers .... wow, Rafa is either damn desperate or he has a great plan in mind. But looking at the play before the 1st goal ..... I hope he dun use this tactic again anytime soon.

It seems to me Kuyt looks kinda lost out there. And it was very predictable the way Pools play -- always trying to send high and long ball to Crouch to knock down to Bellamy and Kuyt. And most of the time, it falls in no mans land.

We were lucky we were playing against the last team in the league. If we play the way we played against Chelski ........ some heads will roll.

Hope Pools will buck up next Sat.

Cheers

[rahl]

I beg to differ ... there were so many things stacked against, I just dun think any other manager could have done any better:
1) the baggage of LFC's glorious reign ... think about it: it took us how many years to accept the fact that LFC cannot be winning everything for 30 years running ... or have we??
2) the bootroom concept ... it had to be someone from the ranks, therefore someone who has yet made a name for himself (as a manager) ... in other words, someone who is just a great LFC player previously.
3) the Pinnochio called Phil Thompson ... this big-nose is so big-headed he's ruined LFC twice becoz of his big ego; the 1st time, Souness had to sack him as reserve manager & the 2nd time, Houllier backed him over Fowler.

It's a good point you make abt the bootroom culture which has much less influence today since Houllier and Rafa. Altho it is to some extent due to Souness and Evans' failings that the management has realised the need to open up and change things.

But I don't think you can pinpoint the bootroom culture or Kenny as the main reason for Pool's decline. If we had gotten Keegan instead? Toshack? Or even Evans, Lee or Thompson? I don't think we would have done worst and you can't whitewash the specific failings of Souness as manager. Look at the clubs he has managed since.

[rahl]

Supposed to be easy win, but I think they had to work pretty hard for it. Starting with 3 strikers .... wow, Rafa is either damn desperate or he has a great plan in mind. But looking at the play before the 1st goal ..... I hope he dun use this tactic again anytime soon.

It seems to me Kuyt looks kinda lost out there. And it was very predictable the way Pools play -- always trying to send high and long ball to Crouch to knock down to Bellamy and Kuyt. And most of the time, it falls in no mans land.

Cheers

Good point. It seems when we play the weaker clubs we can roll them over by scoring first. But we often end up not being clinical enuf against the top clubs. We have a team good enuf to beat clubs like Watford. It was a good win in the end but let's not get carried away. Next weekend will be more revealing ;)

[qw2op]

4 ur reading pleasure ...


Liverpool blind to the benefits of Wenger's vision
By Patrick Barclay, Sunday Telegraph

So Arsene Wenger says he is ''tempted" to keep faith with his youngsters and see if they are good enough to win the Carling Cup. Of course he is - and of course it gives him pleasure to say so. But the Arsenal manager, if he were actually to take that gamble, would be making the same mistake as Rafa Benitez did last Tuesday night. While resting players is all very well, risking humiliation is irresponsible. And Benitez must privately have feared his fringe players would be inadequate opponents for their Arsenal equivalents. Now he knows.

Wenger will surely approach a two-legged semi-final against Tottenham with plenty of respect: more than he showed Wigan last year. Then, he went north with his second string and, having lost 1-0, brought back Thierry Henry, Dennis Bergkamp and Jose Antonio Reyes for the second leg. Arsenal still lost on an away goal. Wenger will take fewer chances this time - and he has a stronger squad from whom to pick. But he will not be getting over-excited about the 6-3 triumph over as poor a Liverpool side as can be remembered.

From a Liverpool point of view, the only good thing to come out of the match was confirmation that, below a top shelf featuring Steven Gerrard, the quality cupboard is bare. Whoever takes over the club's reins from David Moores - and those boys from Dubai appear to be hesitating - will have to put it right.

Too much blame was heaped on Jerzy Dudek last week, I felt, although the real eyebrow-raiser came from a critic who seemed to hold the former manager, Gerard Houllier, partly responsible in that, despite having been recruited from the French FA, he had failed to create a semblance of the renowned Clairefontaine academy on Merseyside. As if he had not tried! So dim was his view of Liverpool's youth development when he arrived at the club in 1998 that he soon whisked Gerrard away to join the first-team group at their Melwood training ground. Neither Houllier nor his assistant, Patrice Bergues, who had run a highly successful academy at Lens, proved able to impose their joint ideas on the club establishment, which consists largely of fans - notably the chairman, David Moores, and chief executive, Rick Parry - and former players.

And Benitez? It was significant that, when he lamented the club's apparent inability to get the sort of bright young things in which Arsenal specialise, he talked of buying them, as if he did not believe they could be grown in his time. Things might or might not have been different if Houllier's advice on modernising this aspect of the club had been taken seven or eight years ago; Wenger and Liam Brady at Arsenal have, after all, left just about every rival standing in that period. But sooner or later, if Liverpool are to rebuild convincingly, they are going to have to stop using bricks without straw.

[niteowl]

CONGRATS this thread for hitting 10,000 viewership since it was launched on 02-09-2006. Hope that next week Liverpool will beat Chelsik in the EPL like my 1121 replied posting. Half-time 1-1, Full-time 2-1 to Pools for winning.:D

[KingEros]

Supposed to be easy win, but I think they had to work pretty hard for it.
Yup, they did ... but any other team would too - did you see how horrendous a condition the pitch was in?? Almost every ball bobbled here bobbled there .. how to play good football?? :confused:

Hope Pools will buck up next Sat.
Well, unless they win ALL the remaining games at Anfield ... every trick Rafa try to pull this season will mean nothing. So, let's ALL sing louder YNWA. :D

[KingEros]

It's a good point you make abt the bootroom culture which has much less influence today since Houllier and Rafa. Altho it is to some extent due to Souness and Evans' failings that the management has realised the need to open up and change things.
First, you've misunderstood my point on the bootroom culture ... I'm not criticising it on its own merit. What I was saying is that at that time, it was a tradition everybody associated with LFC felt very proud of, so nobody was gonna trash it ... as a result, the next manager could only be the best amongst whoever qualifies under LFC-connected.

After Dalglish, who else could it have been (if not Souness)?? Toshack was groomed & made his name in Spain, while Keegan & Lee just hung up their playing boots ... Thompson was only the only other in contention, that's why he gave Souness so much trouble in his capacity as reserve team coach. Over that incident, the Kop chose to back Thompson (a Scouser) over Souness (a Scot), considering both have been equal on contributions as former LFC captains.

As for Evans, I really pity him ... he loved the club so much that he allowed the powers that reigned to use him like a puppet. First, they named him manager ... then, they deemed that he was doing well but it could be better if he could team up as joint-boss alongside Houllier ... in the end, he just had to keep his dignity & offer to leave. IMHO, he was there just to lessen the impact of 2 deviations:
1) LFC moved away from the bootroom culture
2) LFC conceded that the greatest club in England had to be managed by a foreigner

But I don't think you can pinpoint the bootroom culture or Kenny as the main reason for Pool's decline. If we had gotten Keegan instead? Toshack? Or even Evans, Lee or Thompson? I don't think we would have done worst and you can't whitewash the specific failings of Souness as manager. Look at the clubs he has managed since.
What specific failings?? The man won the FA Cup in his 4 years as boss.
As for the others, only Toshack has achieved something in Spain ... Keegan will always be remembered as the Newcastle manager who threw away the title becoz he succumbed to Ferguson's taunting ... Lee & Thompson is still not good enough to be hired as managers, to this very day!!!

[KingEros]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/team/past_players/players/souness/


The above-linked is a piece on Souness (both as a player & a manager) found in the official LFC website no less ... & I'd like to draw ALL's attention to the part of his term as manager:

However his time as manager at the club has become synonymous with mistakes, ill-judged media representation, poor transfer decisions and falling standards on the pitch. Mature reflection by Souness and the Club shows that in fact his managership was not without success and his failures were not totally of his own making. Liverpool won the FA Cup in 1992 and this was despite life-threatening heart surgery in the days prior to Souness gingerly leading out his players.

Souness sadly, marred this triumph by poorly timed publicity in the Sun newspaper. He explained the story himself in 1999, in an interview with Garth Crooks: "Because the game went to penalties, the paper missed the deadline. That picture [of Souness with his future bride] ended up in the newspaper on the Wednesday - the anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster. I should have resigned then, looking back.

"I will forever be sorry it happened. It was out of my control. I was in hospital having an operation which, as it turned out, was life threatening. It was a foolish mistake, but when somebody tells you at 37 that you are going to have open heart surgery and that you might die, how would you react? I reacted in a way which I'll regret for the rest of my life. I'm sorry to the people on Merseyside whom I offended and I shall eternally be sorry".

In other respects as Souness himself reflected in December 1999 "in the right place at the wrong time". He explains: "What has happened since has gone to prove that I was not to blame for all the ills...my problem was that I tried to change it too quickly." He admits that he was shocked to the core by a change in the attitude amongst his squad and that this led to rapid hiring and firing as he sought to remove players who despite ability, offended this dedicated professional: "I found the change of mood in the dressing room both startling and alarming. How could standards have slipped so badly? I could not accept the lack of determination and fire in their bodies to win games for Liverpool".

Whilst this was a sentiment shared by all Reds fans, his choices of replacement was at times woefully poor, with Paul Stewart and Torben Piechnik standing as testimony to this fact. The removal of the 'Boot Room' under Souness is often quoted as one of his great mistakes - in actual fact it was a proposal planned by the directors at the time of Dalglish and was not a Souness decision.

All the training and behind-the-scenes work had been, and continued to be, managed by Ronnie Moran. No changes were made to a system that had worked for years. The conversion of a small boot store to a press room has become a symbol of the frustration of the fans, whereas it played no actual part in the under-achievement of this period.

Souness is an intelligent, articulate and highly motivated man, he was an awesome captain for the club and gave his all to the job as manager. Sadly his memory is still tarnished, but perhaps in time his faults will be forgiven and his valuable F A Cup win given the appreciation it is deserved.

So, my fellow Reds ... do not make Souness a scapegoat for what he did not do. :rolleyes:

[Cummon]

Well, unless they win ALL the remaining games at Anfield ... every trick Rafa try to pull this season will mean nothing.

I will be really delighted if we can get 4 points from our home games against Chelski & MU.
Anyway if we beat Chelski & MU defeat Arse, does that mean we help to handle the title to the Scums ? :(

[KingEros]

Anyway if we beat Chelski & MU defeat Arse, does that mean we help to handle the title to the Scums ? :(
How about for the remaining of this season ...
1) Reds beat Chelsea (Jan), Everton (Feb), MU & Arsenal (Mar) at home, as well as beat Portsmouth (Apr) away ...
2) MU drop points against Arsenal (Jan), Spurs (Feb), Portsmouth & Chelsea (Apr), Man City (May) away, as well as drop points against Portsmouth (Jan), Bolton & Blackburn (Mar) at home ...
3) Chelsea drop points against Portsmouth (Mar), Arsenal (May) away, as well as drop points against Blackburn (Jan), Spurs, MU & Bolton (Apr) at home ...
4) Arsenal drop points against Spurs (Apr), Portsmouth (May) away, as well as drop points against MU (Jan), Bolton (Apr), Chelsea (May) at home ...

Now ... you know why it is ALL still mathematically possible?? :D

[rahl]

[COLOR="royalblue"][B]What specific failings?? The man won the FA Cup in his 4 years as boss.
As for the others, only Toshack has achieved something in Spain ... Keegan will always be remembered as the Newcastle manager who threw away the title becoz he succumbed to Ferguson's taunting ... Lee & Thompson is still not good enough to be hired as managers, to this very day!!!

You can do better than quote an article from the official site bro. None of them are critical about any manager and it is understandable the site doesn't want to divide the fans by doing so.

Some better articles on Souness:
http://www.thisisanfield.com/content.php?page_id=93
http://www.lfc4ever.de/id76.htm
http://www.lfcbootroom.net/comment4.htm
http://www.lfchistory.net/managers_profile.asp?manager_id=13

Let's make it simple. I will cite his failings below and you give a list of his successes (bar the FA Cup, which should not be your only case I hope).

Then we can go on and look at the wider context and say which failures/success are due to the man and which made the man. Or else all these general remarks also no use.

Souness' Management
Management: only one style: discipline and more discipline. While this was necessary in light of the drinking culture at Anfield then (and elsewhere), other managers like Houllier and Rafa have inculcated a more disciplined approach without upsetting players and bootroom.

Good players signed or nurtured
Macca
Fowler
Mark Wright
Rob Jones
Jamie Redknapp
David James

The young players flourished particularly under Evans.

Poor players
Julian Dicks
Dean Saunders
Nigel Clough
Torben Piechnik
Istvan Kozma
Paul Stewart

Undecided
Michael Thomas
Neil Ruddock
Mark Walters
Stig Inge Bjornebye

Now the real stuff, results (I mean every manager can sign duds - see Houllier Cheyrou, Diouf, and Diao, and Rafa Josemi and Nando).

League performance
1990/1991 2nd (season end)
1991/1992 6th (full season)
1992/1993 6th (full season)
1993/1994 8th (till January 1994)

Cups
1991/1992 FA Cup winner (beat Sunderland 2-0)
1992/1993 FA Cup defeat by Bolton (home)
1993/1994 FA Cup defeat by Bristol City (home)

Competitive record ( P W D L %) From Wikipedia
Bill Shankly December 1959 July 1974 753 393 185 175 52.19%
Bob Paisley July 1974 May 1983 490 275 124 91 56.12%
Joe Fagan May 1983 May 1985 122 65 34 23 53.28%
Kenny Dalglish May 1985 February 1991 297 180 76 41 60.61%
Ronnie Moran [18] February 1991 April 1991 10 4 1 5 40%
Graeme Souness April 1991 January 1994 157 65 47 45 41.4%
Roy Evans January 1994 July 1998 226 116 57 53 51.33%
Roy Evans and Gérard Houllier [19] July 1998 November 1998 18 7 6 5 38.89%
Gérard Houllier [20] November 1998 May 2004 306 157 75 74 51.31%
Rafael Benítez June 2004 Present 126 72 24 30 56.8%

Full statistics
http://www.lfchistory.net/managers_lcstats.asp?manager_id=13
Competition P W D L F A %
League 115 47 34 34 164 133 40.87%
FA 13 5 6 2 17 11 38.46%
League Cup 16 7 7 2 38 22 43.75%
Europe 12 6 0 6 26 16 50.00%
Other 1 0 0 1 3 4 0.00%

That's all for now. Let's take it from here.

Gosh half an hour of research makes me realise how crap the official site is!

[rahl]

Dear all

Good piece of news about the investment:

Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry has revealed the takeover of the club by investors from Dubai is almost complete and that a concrete announcement will be made 'relatively soon'.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=399904&cc=4716

;)

[rahl]

[COLOR="royalblue"][B]What specific failings?? The man won the FA Cup in his 4 years as boss.
As for the others, only Toshack has achieved something in Spain ... Keegan will always be remembered as the Newcastle manager who threw away the title becoz he succumbed to Ferguson's taunting ... Lee & Thompson is still not good enough to be hired as managers, to this very day!!!

Another word, bro if you mean the board screwed up by appointing the wrong man, I'm totally in agreement with you. And the club should have gotten rid of Souness way before 1994.

The club also screwed up by appointing Evans and trying to restore the old culture. Although in this case, Evans was a much better manager. Souness was a poor manager under a piss poor board, I will grant you that.

[Frankiestine]

The club also screwed up by appointing Evans and trying to restore the old culture. Although in this case, Evans was a much better manager. Souness was a poor manager under a piss poor board, I will grant you that.

Back then Liverpool policy was to turn to old boys or those who were involved in the club for successor...Houllier if not wrong was the very first manager appointed that had no prior connection with the team..

[canthaveenuf]

How about for the remaining of this season ...
1) Reds beat Chelsea (Jan), Everton (Feb), MU & Arsenal (Mar) at home, as well as beat Portsmouth (Apr) away ...
2) MU drop points against Arsenal (Jan), Spurs (Feb), Portsmouth & Chelsea (Apr), Man City (May) away, as well as drop points against Portsmouth (Jan), Bolton & Blackburn (Mar) at home ...
3) Chelsea drop points against Portsmouth (Mar), Arsenal (May) away, as well as drop points against Blackburn (Jan), Spurs, MU & Bolton (Apr) at home ...
4) Arsenal drop points against Spurs (Apr), Portsmouth (May) away, as well as drop points against MU (Jan), Bolton (Apr), Chelsea (May) at home ...

Now ... you know why it is ALL still mathematically possible??

hahahaha bro, you are the eternal optimist lah.:D

You posted this when sleeping huh? :)

Let's all hope the above comes true .....

Cheers

[coolfire69]

hahahaha bro, you are the eternal optimist lah.:D

You posted this when sleeping huh?

Let's all hope the above comes true .....

Cheers


Somehow... I'm also an eternal optimist bro... I'm with Bro KingEros on this too...:D

[beck7777]

Another word, bro if you mean the board screwed up by appointing the wrong man, I'm totally in agreement with you. And the club should have gotten rid of Souness way before 1994.

The club also screwed up by appointing Evans and trying to restore the old culture. Although in this case, Evans was a much better manager. Souness was a poor manager under a piss poor board, I will grant you that.

Roy Evans was not bad a manager, if he had controlled the Spice boy better...

Redknapp was one of the best midfield around that time, can could have gone on to be a Liverpool Great & England great had he not suffered so much injuries..

Same as Fowler.. Think too busy party till his form dropped... :rolleyes:

[rahl]

Roy Evans was not bad a manager, if he had controlled the Spice boy better...

Redknapp was one of the best midfield around that time, can could have gone on to be a Liverpool Great & England great had he not suffered so much injuries..

Same as Fowler.. Think too busy party till his form dropped... :rolleyes:

Thats true abt Evans but he also had such huge problems with the defense - does anyone remember Phil Babb the record signing for a defender? Or Kvarme?

Of cos years to come and we will look similarly at how much problem Rafa had in signing wide players or even strikers!

On our day, Evans' team can play anyone off the pitch but there were many others when we stank up the pitch and lost 1-0.

[sgbetfor]

At Chelsea, Terry rally his support behind JM. Wonder whether will Gerard do the same for Rafa?

[libraguy75]

Liverpool Vs Chelsea @ HARD ROCK CAFE


DEAR LFC BROS !!


I would like to STRONGLY ENCOURAGE all of you to come down this SAT to HRC to watch the game.

A couple of Straits Times reporters will be covering the game from HRC.

There will also be one covering at blues side.

I appeal to all here to come down and show the Straits Times reporters the power of the RED ARMY !!

We must show SPORE on Sunday Times what huge fan base we have.

This is an open invation to all.

Those of you coming and wan to book a table ( min 4 pax ), please PM me.

I will be on duty this Sat.





!! Libraguy75 aka Lorry Driver aka 2nd GEN LFC FAN !!
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[Cummon]

We do look much more hungry than Chelski this time,let's whack & bury them at Anfield before we move to Stanley Park.

[onion_rings]

We do look much more hungry than Chelski this time,let's whack & bury them at Anfield before we move to Stanley Park.

Yeah let's bring back the "glory" we used to have in Anfield!!!! We can do it!!!! :)

[rahl]

Kuyt a cool finish, and what a time to score your first goal, Pennant!

2-0 Pool against the Blues at the half. :D

[coolfire69]

Kuyt a cool finish, and what a time to score your first goal, Pennant!

2-0 Pool against the Blues at the half. :D


...And Game SET!! 2-0 to our beloved RED ARMY!!! The way we belittled the Rent-Boys and the way our inpenetrable defence repelled almost their every shot... Looks like maureen's gonna leave, and if rumours hold true, he may well end up at manure.... He's even imitating fergie now, started chewing gum! HA...


IN RAFA WE TRUST...

[coolfire69]

JOSE: WE STRUGGLED TODAY
Paul Eaton 20 January 2007

Jose Mourinho had no complaints after watching his side be outplayed and beaten by Liverpool on Saturday afternoon.

Chelsea's lead over Liverpool in the league table has been cut to just five points after goals from Dirk Kuyt and Jermaine Pennant secured a well deserved victory for Rafael Benitez's men.

Chelsea rarely threatened as an attacking force but it was at the back - where Paolo Ferreira and Michael Essien formed a makshift central defensive - where Mourinho felt his side had most problems.

He said: "Liverpool are happy today and they deserve to be happy because they played well and deserved to win the game.

"I was hoping we could get through the first 15 minutes without conceding because we had players playing out of position and those players would have gained confidence if we'd made a good start.

"When we went behind after a few minutes and then conceded another shortly after we knew it was going to be very difficult.

"Rafa isn't stupid and I'm not a magician. We had no central defenders and I knew two weeks ago that Crouch and Kuyt would play in this game. The defenders we have could have coped with Bellamy but they couldn't cope with Crouch winning the headers and Kuyt's strength holding the ball up.

"In other games of late we've been able to cope but I knew we'd have problems today and Liverpool did very well."
(extracted from: www.liverpoolfc.tv)


This guy just doesn't know how to lose graciously.... At first glance, it seems like he accepted defeat, but his words were thinly veiled... When he stated the obvious that his team had to hold out for the first 15 mins... and that rafa is smart and he cannot weave magic to get terry fit... :mad:

[beck7777]

Dont be bothered by what others say..

We see a fine performance today.. Esp in defence when Chelski threaten to come back into the game..

We won and done our job well.. Lets enjoy the moment! :D

[rahl]

[B][SIZE="3"]This guy just doesn't know how to lose graciously.... At first glance, it seems like he accepted defeat, but his words were thinly veiled... When he stated the obvious that his team had to hold out for the first 15 mins... and that rafa is smart and he cannot weave magic to get terry fit... :mad:

He is actually admitting that Rafa is a tactical genius hahaha.

Not sure if Essien and Ferreira would have coped with Bellers but all credit to Rafa for playing Kuyt and Crouch.

Great team perfomance and Carra was again massive. Even players like Pennant and Fabio are beginning to look their part. ;)

[GL joe]

haha!no way essien and ferreira could have cope with bellamy pace !the blues were simply outplayed,outshone at our fortress!

Liverpool!go go go!:D

[canthaveenuf]

What a game !!! Sweet sweet revenge. Well done our beloved REDs !!!

This is truly a team performance. Everybody played their part very well. Everybody trying to win the ball and applying pressure all the time.

This is the Liverpool we all REDs fans want to see. Let's hope this is not a one-off performance. If we keep up this momentum, we may just make it to the top.

Cheski does look worse than normal yesterday. I guess if Terry had been around and Cech not so rusty, things may have been different. And the Mourihno issue may have been playing on their minds.

But there is no denying we deserved this win 100% becos we played with our hearts.

All the way REDs !!!

Cheers

[KingEros]

no way essien and ferreira could have cope with bellamy pace
Dun insult Rafa's genius ... Essien (a midfielder) & Ferreira (a full-back), now covering in the centre of defence, can still run all night or burst at pace BUT they can't outjump Crouch. That's why Crouch is tactically a genial choice, compared to Bellamy.

'I am not interested in what anyone else says about us, just let me enjoy this result.' ~ Rafa Benitez

[rahl]

This is the Liverpool we all REDs fans want to see. Let's hope this is not a one-off performance. If we keep up this momentum, we may just make it to the top.
Cheers

We are the form team in the Premiership and for a while now bro.

Since the Arsenal defeat (Highbury):

P 12
W 9
D 2
L 1
F 23
A 1
GD +22
Pts Won 29 (out of 36)
Pts Dropped 7

And we probably should have beaten Boro, Rovers and Pompey and deserved to get full points! (sigh)

:D

[canthaveenuf]

We are the form team in the Premiership and for a while now bro.

Since the Arsenal defeat (Highbury):

P 12
W 9
D 2
L 1
F 23
A 1
GD +22
Pts Won 29 (out of 36)
Pts Dropped 7

And we probably should have beaten Boro, Rovers and Pompey and deserved to get full points! (sigh)

:D

All the pundits have been saying we are the form team of the moment. No doubt about that. But even though we may have won pretty often lately in the league, sometimes we were not very convincing enuf and had to labour quite hard to get the wins, even against weaker sides. While we may be pretty good in the league, we failed miserably against the Gunners in the FA and Carling Cup. A great team must be able to perform in all competitions, not just the league (even though Rafa says the cups are not his priority -- but he said that becos we lost. If we had won, he would have said something different.)

A team's form will go up and down. We can't possibly maintain a good form all the time. Let's not get carried away by all the talk about "form".

But, as long as we play with our hearts like we did against the Blues, we will persevere.

Cheers

[Sirus_The_Virus]

Congrats Pool, my best sunday, Thank YOU!! We won, they played the best game all season, awsome goals, we could have gotten 6-0 if didn't miss some, but overall, great defence. Gd job! :)

[rahl]

All the pundits have been saying we are the form team of the moment. No doubt about that. But even though we may have won pretty often lately in the league, sometimes we were not very convincing enuf and had to labour quite hard to get the wins, even against weaker sides. While we may be pretty good in the league, we failed miserably against the Gunners in the FA and Carling Cup. A great team must be able to perform in all competitions, not just the league (even though Rafa says the cups are not his priority -- but he said that becos we lost. If we had won, he would have said something different.)

A team's form will go up and down. We can't possibly maintain a good form all the time. Let's not get carried away by all the talk about "form".
Cheers

Well this I disagree. You got to understand the system that Rafa is building. It is a machine. It is not a high tempo or passing game like Scum or Arse. It is a machine that will break you down home or away over 90 mins.

A machine that is meant to run on the whole season.

So we are not just on good form. The machine is working well.

We have conceded one goal in these 12 games.

Scored average of 2 per game - which means we should have won them all.

Drawn one of our home games and won the rest. No one is going to come to Anfield now and hope to get something with ten men in front of their goal.

We have won all the games in which we have scored first.

Away, I admit we got to improve. And also need to show better composure when we concede.

Believe me, Rafa is on to something. In the seasons to come, if he gets the players he wants, we will go on long winning runs. Last season's runs, like this season's run, were no fluke.

[KingEros]

A great team must be able to perform in all competitions, not just the league ...
Which planet are you from??
Name me 1 team that does well on all fronts ... not even when LFC was reigning supreme in the 80s, did we managed to win more than just the league most of the time. :rolleyes:

even though Rafa says the cups are not his priority -- but he said that becos we lost. If we had won, he would have said something different.
The man decided on which team to field for the night ... & you're suggesting his fielding of 2nd stringers as a sign of disinterest??
Of course, he would have said something different, had LFC been still in the running for either Cups ... he'd say: "Not only Wnger has a way with the kids" ;)

[Chinakid]

watever it is ...lets just enjoy this win and look forward for better results and hopefully by end of May our reds will get some rewards....:D

[rahl]

Which planet are you from??
Name me 1 team that does well on all fronts ... not even when LFC was reigning supreme in the 80s, did we managed to win more than just the league most of the time. :rolleyes: [/COLOR][/B]

Right, before the Premiership, it was a darn thing to win the league and (FA) cup double. Correct me if I'm wrong, no club had done it before? I remember we won the old Division 1 league title under Kenny and then got beat by Wimbledon in the cup.

[canthaveenuf]

Well this I disagree. You got to understand the system that Rafa is building. It is a machine. It is not a high tempo or passing game like Scum or Arse. It is a machine that will break you down home or away over 90 mins.

A machine that is meant to run on the whole season.

So we are not just on good form. The machine is working well.

We have conceded one goal in these 12 games.

Scored average of 2 per game - which means we should have won them all.

Drawn one of our home games and won the rest. No one is going to come to Anfield now and hope to get something with ten men in front of their goal.

We have won all the games in which we have scored first.

Away, I admit we got to improve. And also need to show better composure when we concede.

Believe me, Rafa is on to something. In the seasons to come, if he gets the players he wants, we will go on long winning runs. Last season's runs, like this season's run, were no fluke.

I agree with you about Rafa trying to build a good team. My point is that we are not there yet. All this talk about "form" can be quite misleading, giving the impression that we are good enuf and get carried away, when in actual fact, like you have alluded, we are not yet there. And in fact, quite some way to go.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

The man decided on which team to field for the night ... & you're suggesting his fielding of 2nd stringers as a sign of disinterest??

But of course. He admitted as much didn't he? :cool:

Cheers

[libraguy75]

Well this I disagree. You got to understand the system that Rafa is building. It is a machine. It is not a high tempo or passing game like Scum or Arse. It is a machine that will break you down home or away over 90 mins.

A machine that is meant to run on the whole season.

So we are not just on good form. The machine is working well.

We have conceded one goal in these 12 games.

Scored average of 2 per game - which means we should have won them all.

Drawn one of our home games and won the rest. No one is going to come to Anfield now and hope to get something with ten men in front of their goal.

We have won all the games in which we have scored first.

Away, I admit we got to improve. And also need to show better composure when we concede.

Believe me, Rafa is on to something. In the seasons to come, if he gets the players he wants, we will go on long winning runs. Last season's runs, like this season's run, were no fluke.



I agreed with you on this.


My only headache aginst Rafa is to appeal to him to get some 'hard' players into the squad.

Whenever we play against A-Bengs team in EPL ( Bolton, Portsmouth, and tec... ) this games tend to be 50-50 odds....

We need to be able to match this team in the physical side of the game.

Once this misalighment is realighned, I think we should be able to play very well week in, week out...


Libraguy75
Lorry Driver aka LFC 2nd Gen Fan.


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[libraguy75]

BTW, I see lots of REDS today in the streets , markets and shopping mall.......

Wonder what happen to the Blues ??

I would like to share with all of you a little incident.



After lunch @ kopi-tiam nearby, I was on the way home when I ran into a neighbour of mine.

He was trying to avoid me.

I stopped him and made small +++ with him.

Of course eventually, we will +++ to yesterday game....

He said we were luckly to win and all the bullshits...

I ask him one question.


ME :- '' Okie... our win was lucky.... btw HOW COME YOU NO WEAR YOUR CHELSEA JERSEY ?? ''

HE :- '' Huh........ silence.................... ''

ME :- '' Well........... ?? ''

He :- '' Pai-say to lose to your team mah..... ''

ME :- '' I though you say we were lucky to win ?? ''



This chat made me ponder a question guys..... :o


Look at your Chelsea supporter friend.

Is he wearing his jersey today too ??

Or he giving you another silly excuse...

I just glad that all the liverpool fans I come to know and respect,

WEAR OUR LFC JERSEYS whether we win, draw or LOSE.

We are not a bunch of fair-weather fans...



Think about it...

Look at your friend on monday int he office...

Tell him it was a good and close game...

Watch what he says.....



Libraguy75 :)
Lorry Driver aka 2nd Gen LFC Fan



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[KingEros]

Correct me if I'm wrong, no club had done it before? I remember we won the old Division 1 league title under Kenny and then got beat by Wimbledon in the cup.
Believe it or not ... Tottenham Hotspurs were the first to clinch the double in 1961 - 1 of only 2 times the club ever won the league.
Then, the next occurrence was accomplished by the Gunners in 1971 - our Ray Kennedy was in that team.

After that, it was a long gap until 1986 ... before the Reds became the 3rd English club to do so - beating Everton convincingly in the FA Cup Final at Wembley no less.
That 1988 wretched game against Wimbledon (or should I say Dave Beasant) was to be remembered as the Reds almost becoming the 1st English club to do the Double twice.

It pains me to say this, but the Scums snatched away that honour, as well as that of the 1st English club to do the Double thrice ... clinching it first in 1994, then in 1996 & lastly in 1999 (the luckiest 2 minutes ever known to Mankind).
Arsenal also became the 2nd English club to do the Double twice & thrice respectively ... first in 1998 & then in 2002.

[KingEros]

But of course. He admitted as much didn't he?
Apologies ... my finger did an Andy Cole on me.
What I meant to say was "The man decided on which team to field for the night ... & you're suggesting his fielding of 2nd stringers as NOT a sign of disinterest??

My point is that we are not there yet. All this talk about "form" can be quite misleading, giving the impression that we are good enuf and get carried away, when in actual fact, like you have alluded, we are not yet there. And in fact, quite some way to go.
I dun think the players are allowed to get carried away ... for one, the rotation policy doesn't allow them to gloat over the victories & start daydreaming.
Last night, my asked "How come Rafa never even smile (not to mention jump for joy) when the boys scored against Chelsea?? This is the other point of significance ... Rafa is not a virgin who just received his first FL contact. :cool:

As for the question of THERE, I agree with you if:
1) THERE means winning titles after titles, year in, year out
2) THERE means we definitely gonna be crowned EPL Champions in May 07
Yes, we're not there yet 'coz there seriously is a job still to be done ... & to be done well too.
However, I must highlight that Rafa has put together a squad that can serve LFC well into the next decade ... but if 1 thing remains his utmost priority, it is a question of whether he can get the players running at top speed when the seasonal whistle is blow. Look at this season ... we just took too long to get the engine warmed & tuned to intended perfection - just hope the overtaking process can still take place before the finish line.

Lastly, a plea to all Reds out here ... whatever your religion, please put together a prayer for a Gunners victory over the Scums later tonite. This result will be in the best interests of LFC. :D

[KingEros]

This chat made me ponder a question guys.....

I just glad that all the liverpool fans I come to know and respect,
WEAR OUR LFC JERSEYS whether we win, draw or LOSE.
It's not just Chelsea fans ... there're even more Scum fans who chose to hybernate during the 70s & 80s. There's even a theory that they did so well in the 90s, only becoz of this accummulation of energy over the previous 2 decades. :D

What about me, you ask?? I've been wearing a Liver Bird tattoo on my chest since the Souness days - whether we win, lose or draw. Before that, I used to save up every penny off my pocket money to buy the Adidas jerseys though mail from the club shop ... you think I dun wear it every match day?? :rolleyes:

[KingEros]

My point is that we are not there yet. All this talk about "form" can be quite misleading, giving the impression that we are good enuf and get carried away, when in actual fact, like you have alluded, we are not yet there. And in fact, quite some way to go.

GERRARD: WE STILL HAVE A LOT TO DO
Paul Eaton 20 January 2007

Steven Gerrard reflected on Liverpool's brilliant 2-0 victory over Chelsea and declared: "It's a massive result, but we still have a lot of work to do."

First half strikes from Dirk Kuyt and Jermaine Pennant at Anfield have now taken the Reds to within five points of the Champions.

Gerrard admits everyone at the club is delighted with the result, but he's warned against complacency now that the Reds are closing in on the top two.

He said: "Any result at home is a good one for us but against the Champions it's extra special.

"It's a massive result for us, but we're still third and we still have a lot of work to do.

"All we can do is look ahead to the next game and the next performance and make sure we do the same things again."

Asked whether Liverpool were now contenders for the Premiership crown, Gerrard replied: "I don't want to give any headlines for the papers in the morning. The gap is still massive but all we can do is concentrate on ourselves and hope for more slip ups ahead of us."

[KingEros]

My point is that we are not there yet. All this talk about "form" can be quite misleading, giving the impression that we are good enuf and get carried away, when in actual fact, like you have alluded, we are not yet there. And in fact, quite some way to go.

PENNANT DELIGHTED TO BREAK HIS DUCK
Steve Hunter 21 January 2007

Jermaine Pennant said he was absolutely delighted to score his first goal for Liverpool in the 2-0 win over Chelsea and called it a special moment.
The winger beat Petr Cech with a fantastic volley from outside the box to set the seal on a fantastic team performance and a thoroughly deserved victory.

"To score a goal like that was very, very special and a great way for me to get my first goal for Liverpool," enthused the Reds number 16.

"There was not much on for me in the box so I just thought I'd have a shot and it was nice to see it go in.

"It was a great win for us and we still have to play Manchester United and Arsenal here. We have the best home record in the Premiership and we will just keep going and see what happens."

[KingEros]

Liverpool Vs Chelsea @ HARD ROCK CAFE

Those of you coming and wan to book a table ( min 4 pax ), please PM me.

I will be on duty this Sat.

!! Libraguy75 aka Lorry Driver aka 2nd GEN LFC FAN !!
I guess you must have had a Rolling Good Time ... was there a closed door romp for the staff after the game?? :D

Anyway, I couldn't take on your invite as my baby cousin decided to get wedded yesterday ... looking ahead, perhaps you wanna keep us informed of such parties in the near future again?? I guess the next BIG match will be the Merseyside Derby on 3 Feb, followed by the key matches against Scums & Gunners in Mar.

What about you help us get a good table then?? I guess the Reds here would be more than happy to carry on our usual discussions face-to-face, over food & drinks. Any takers??

[libraguy75]

I used to save up every penny off my pocket money to buy the Adidas jerseys though mail from the club shop ... you think I dun wear it every match day?? :rolleyes:


I know what you mean BRO....

Its means a lot to me too as I am still saving for another 3 months before I can even buy this season away jersey.



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[KingEros]

I know what you mean BRO....

Its means a lot to me too as I am still saving for another 3 months before I can even buy this season away jersey.
I'm worst ... only got enough money to buy the LFC baby stuff for my son, scheduled to arrive about the same time as LFC takes over leadership of the EPL table. :rolleyes:

[canthaveenuf]

Believe it or not ... Tottenham Hotspurs were the first to clinch the double in 1961 - 1 of only 2 times the club ever won the league.
Then, the next occurrence was accomplished by the Gunners in 1971 - our Ray Kennedy was in that team.

After that, it was a long gap until 1986 ... before the Reds became the 3rd English club to do so - beating Everton convincingly in the FA Cup Final at Wembley no less.
That 1988 wretched game against Wimbledon (or should I say Dave Beasant) was to be remembered as the Reds almost becoming the 1st English club to do the Double twice.

It pains me to say this, but the Scums snatched away that honour, as well as that of the 1st English club to do the Double thrice ... clinching it first in 1994, then in 1996 & lastly in 1999 (the luckiest 2 minutes ever known to Mankind).
Arsenal also became the 2nd English club to do the Double twice & thrice respectively ... first in 1998 & then in 2002.

Wah bro, you are really a true walking dictionary on football. Impressed.:)

I hope Liverpool would be able to win a couple of trophies in a season soon. I believe in Rafa and think we should be able to do it, esp now with more investment money.

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

Apologies ... my finger did an Andy Cole on me.

Andy Cole? This is something new. Dun understand wat u mean.

I dun think the players are allowed to get carried away
........ Yes, we're not there yet 'coz there seriously is a job still to be done ... & to be done well too.
However, I must highlight that Rafa has put together a squad that can serve LFC well into the next decade ... but if 1 thing remains his utmost priority, it is a question of whether he can get the players running at top speed when the seasonal whistle is blow. Look at this season ... we just took too long to get the engine warmed & tuned to intended perfection - just hope the overtaking process can still take place before the finish line.

Actually I am ont concerned abt players getting carried away. I am sure Rafa must have been telling his players not to be too happy. Like what you posted on Stevie G -- he also said we have lots to do yet.

I am more concerned about fans thinking that we have finally "reached" by beating Chelsea. And this is made worse by all the "form" talk.

But anyway, with this win over the Blues, our confidence will be higher now. Hopefully, this will translate into better performance and give us that last big push towards May 07.

Lastly, a plea to all Reds out here ... whatever your religion, please put together a prayer for a Gunners victory over the Scums later tonite. This result will be in the best interests of LFC. :D

I haven't checked the league table yet, but I tot a draw would be better for us? If Arsenal wins, they close gap on us. If MU win, catching up with them will be more difficult. Tot a draw would be better for all?

Cheers

[canthaveenuf]

I'm worst ... only got enough money to buy the LFC baby stuff for my son, scheduled to arrive about the same time as LFC takes over leadership of the EPL table. :rolleyes:

Bro, R U going to train your kid to be a Liverpool fan?

I am trying to get my son interested in football and getting him to support Liverpool too. So far so good. Quite impressed that he is now able to call our Gerrard's name and even recognize his face. :D

Cheers

[rahl]

BTW, I see lots of REDS today in the streets , markets and shopping mall.......

Libraguy75 :)
Lorry Driver aka 2nd Gen LFC Fan

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Not bragging or anything but I have found it more meaningful to wear my jersey when Pool lose.

Mine is old one, Rebook polo shirt with Carlsberg behind but still a jersey nonetheless ;)

[rahl]

Believe it or not ... Tottenham Hotspurs were the first to clinch the double in 1961 - 1 of only 2 times the club ever won the league.
Then, the next occurrence was accomplished by the Gunners in 1971 - our Ray Kennedy was in that team.

After that, it was a long gap until 1986 ... before the Reds became the 3rd English club to do so - beating Everton convincingly in the FA Cup Final at Wembley no less.
That 1988 wretched game against Wimbledon (or should I say Dave Beasant) was to be remembered as the Reds almost becoming the 1st English club to do the Double twice.

It pains me to say this, but the Scums snatched away that honour, as well as that of the 1st English club to do the Double thrice ... clinching it first in 1994, then in 1996 & lastly in 1999 (the luckiest 2 minutes ever known to Mankind).
Arsenal also became the 2nd English club to do the Double twice & thrice respectively ... first in 1998 & then in 2002.

Thanks for the education ;) I only remembered Pool were going to break some record going into what seemed to be an easy tie against the Crazy Gang.

[libraguy75]

[QUOTE=rahl;1819287]Not bragging or anything but I have found it more meaningful to wear my jersey when Pool lose.
QUOTE]

I must meet you one of these day and shake your hand...

U are one STRONG FAN



:)



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[KingEros]

I hope Liverpool would be able to win a couple of trophies in a season soon. I believe in Rafa and think we should be able to do it, esp now with more investment money.

Actually, we already did ... under Houllier.
The same season we won the UEFA Cup, we won 4-5 other trophies in 1 calendar year.

In contrast, I rather LFC just win the EPL year in year out ... spiced with a Champions League or FA Cup, every 5 years or so. :D

Andy Cole? This is something new. Dun understand wat u mean.
You've never heard of the Andy Cole joke??
Here goes ... years ago, Naomi Campbell was in UK & ran into Alex Ferguson - she asked for an autograph ... Ferguson asked, "Where you want me to sign??" She replied, "right here" before proceeding to lift up her mini-skirt & pushed her panty away from her pussy.
Ferguson screamed, "No way!! No fucking way!! The last black cunt I signed, he cost me 8 million pounds!!!"
Well, for those who were way too young to remember ... Andy Cole couldn't score goals after joining Scums from Newcastle.

I haven't checked the league table yet, but I tot a draw would be better for us? If Arsenal wins, they close gap on us. If MU win, catching up with them will be more difficult. Tot a draw would be better for all?
Since we're still ahead of Arsenal, they can't catch us as long as we win ALL our remaining matches.
Unless we win ALL our remaining matches, there's really no point in hoping Scums & Chelsea drop points ... so, do you agree that Arsenal winning against Scums last night was the best result possible??

Bro, R U going to train your kid to be a Liverpool fan?
I am trying to get my son interested in football and getting him to support Liverpool too.
Both my nephew & son are Liverpool diehards ... let's work towards training them to be accepted in the LFC Academy?? :D

[wukong68]

Long Live Liverpool!

I can now don my Liverpool jersey with my head high up!
YNWA

[ah_ray]

Hiya Pool fans!!

Good to know that there is a football forum to post in. YNWA, REDS crowned! :cool:

[ah_ray]

GERRARD GETS ONE OVER BARCA STAR
21 January 2007

Steven Gerrard has seen off stiff competition from Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo to make it into the uefa.com Team of the Year.
The Liverpool skipper was voted Europe's best right-winger by football fans across the continent.

Almost four million votes were cast by uefa.com users, with three Premiership stars making the final cut.

The team in full is:

Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus)
Gianluca Zambrotta (Barcelona)
Fabio Cannavaro (Real Madrid)
Carles Puyol (Barcelona)
Philipp Lahm (Bayern Munich)
Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal)
Kaká (AC Milan)
Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona)


Well done for everyone who voted, he to rightly deserved that crown as the best right mid last year in europe. Shame he wasn't able to be voteable in central midfield but still well deserved :)

[canthaveenuf]

Actually, we already did ... under Houllier.
The same season we won the UEFA Cup, we won 4-5 other trophies in 1 calendar year.

Oh yah, now I remember. We must get back to those god old days.

In contrast, I rather LFC just win the EPL year in year out ... spiced with a Champions League or FA Cup, every 5 years or so.

Eh, bro, I tot you optimist wan? Every 5 years? Must do it more regularly lah bro. :D One year FA Cup, one year CL, every year EPL, once in a while, got free time Carling Cup. We can do that.

You've never heard of the Andy Cole joke??
Here goes ... years ago, Naomi Campbell was in UK & ran into Alex Ferguson - she asked for an autograph ... Ferguson asked, "Where you want me to sign??" She replied, "right here" before proceeding to lift up her mini-skirt & pushed her panty away from her pussy.
Ferguson screamed, "No way!! No fucking way!! The last black cunt I signed, he cost me 8 million pounds!!!"
Well, for those who were way too young to remember ... Andy Cole couldn't score goals after joining Scums from Newcastle.

Ha ha. No, din heard this one b4. But Cole did very well later with the other black guy (alamak forgot his name liao). They really terrorised the opponents then.

Since we're still ahead of Arsenal, they can't catch us as long as we win ALL our remaining matches.
Unless we win ALL our remaining matches, there's really no point in hoping Scums & Chelsea drop points ... so, do you agree that Arsenal winning against Scums last night was the best result possible??

Well, we need to win all our matches and that is something within our control (unless we inexplicably screw up again). But, we also need others to drop points to help us too. I am not so sure if the Gunners win is really a good result. That win give them the extra push and confidence and maybe they will get on a very good run and that may very well come back and haunt us. I hope not, but the ball is round. But anyway, MU lose also means gap is narrower which is also good (esp for Chelski)

But between the results, I would still prefer a draw, if not a MU win cos that will give us better chance to get the 2nd spot. But that is just my opinion.:)

Cheers

[Frankiestine]

Actually, we already did ... under Houllier.
The same season we won the UEFA Cup, we won 4-5 other trophies in 1 calendar year.



Yes King, it was one of the better years under Houllier, I believe the cups were the Milk Cup, FA Cup (Owen scored two goals against Arsenal in the Finals), UEFA Cup (what a thriller 5-4 against Alaves), Super Cup and the Charity Shield..of course detractors then point out that this are "Kucing Kurap" Cups but just wonder have any other English teams ever done this feat before?

[mahalosux]

wonder any of u guys see the latest Tiger FC advertisement about Liverpool locker room? Me dun really get the msg behind..though the 'actor' who played the role of the manager look like Benitez...:D

[rahl]

wonder any of u guys see the latest Tiger FC advertisement about Liverpool locker room? Me dun really get the msg behind..though the 'actor' who played the role of the manager look like Benitez...:D

Tiger vs Carlsberg.

I think this is the most unflattering of the ads of the top clubs by far.

[Wowholing]

GERRARD GETS ONE OVER BARCA STAR
21 January 2007

Steven Gerrard has seen off stiff competition from Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo to make it into the uefa.com Team of the Year.
The Liverpool skipper was voted Europe's best right-winger by football fans across the continent.

Almost four million votes were cast by uefa.com users, with three Premiership stars making the final cut.


Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)


Well done for everyone who voted, he to rightly deserved that crown as the best right mid last year in europe. Shame he wasn't able to be voteable in central midfield but still well deserved :)



Congrats to S.Gerrard, he has always done us proud :)

[Frankiestine]

Team of the Year.
The Liverpool skipper was voted Europe's best right-winger by football fans across the continent.


How irony, while everyone was blasting Benitez for playing him out of position here Stevie G was voted for being the best RIGHT winger..

[Castrol]

How irony, while everyone was blasting Benitez for playing him out of position here Stevie G was voted for being the best RIGHT winger..

hahaha... thats a good one bro. i think its becos gerrard was nominated for the right midfield position, thanks to benitez. :D

[Jadoo]

I watched the LFC - Chelsea match with Onion Rings and Wukong is a place full of Coyote and Rubba Rubbas. Anyone interested to join us in future can PM either one of us.

Best of all, Wukong will never walk alone in that Pub anymore... Hahaha

[spunk9]

I watched the LFC - Chelsea match with Onion Rings and Wukong is a place full of Coyote and Rubba Rubbas. Anyone interested to join us in future can PM either one of us.

Best of all, Wukong will never walk alone in that Pub anymore... Hahaha

Wow where is it??:confused:

[Sirus_The_Virus]

GERRARD GETS ONE OVER BARCA STAR
21 January 2007

Steven Gerrard has seen off stiff competition from Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo to make it into the uefa.com Team of the Year.
The Liverpool skipper was voted Europe's best right-winger by football fans across the continent.





I've seen the last 3 seasons of Gerrard regularly, I think his level has been impressive all this three seasons, even when he had to sacrifice for the team and play in the right and a few times in the left this season.

It will be complicated to get again the mad number of 23 goals in a season he got last season, as that's not normal, but I'm amazed with this player :)

[ah_ray]

There were still long spells when we couldn't get hold of the ball in midfield though.
I'm sure Rafa would prefer a ball winner in there alongside Alonso and at the moment it's Gerrard.
I don't think this arrangement will last though once Sissoko's back and fully fit, even though we could make a very strong argument for Gerrard staying in the centre of midfield.

[ah_ray]

Wow thank u brudder cummon for the points!! YNWA! :)

[Sirus_The_Virus]

There were still long spells when we couldn't get hold of the ball in midfield though.
I'm sure Rafa would prefer a ball winner in there alongside Alonso and at the moment it's Gerrard.
I don't think this arrangement will last though once Sissoko's back and fully fit, even though we could make a very strong argument for Gerrard staying in the centre of midfield.



Is an indication that Gerrard realizes that if he wants to stay in his favourite position (central midfield) he has to be more considered in his overall play .

Can't just move forward at will and that he is in fact competing with Sissoko and Alonso for a midfield spot. He knows when fit he'll always be on the team sheet , what he's now realised is that if he wants the CM role he has to convince Rafa not to move him .

Gerrard has been magnificent in his return to the centre of midfield, but I still think Rafa will put him back on the right once Sissoko is fit. Rafa is a cautious manager who prefers to have 2 defensive minded midfielders in the centre.

[ah_ray]

Imo this can only benefit the team, as when Stevie plays in the middle he has a lot more responsibility to defend as well as attack because that is Rafa's way of playing. Unless we play 3 in the centre of midfield, Gerrard's extremely high attacking threat will be slightly restricted as he wont have the freedom we saw he had last season when he was roaming all over the place causing havoc.

The quartet of Kewell, Alonso, Sissoko and Gerrard is the strongest midfield in Europe when they are all at the top of their game and I think them 4 will give us the best chance of getting past Barcelona.

[rahl]

The quartet of Kewell, Alonso, Sissoko and Gerrard is the strongest midfield in Europe when they are all at the top of their game and I think them 4 will give us the best chance of getting past Barcelona.

On paper bro. Kewell needs matches to be in form. Unless Rafa wants to replay the CL final again, he probably should play someone who is match fit. Right now the Riise-Aurelio combo, which has the advantage of being rotatable, is probably the boss's preference. ;)

[coolfire69]

On paper bro. Kewell needs matches to be in form. Unless Rafa wants to replay the CL final again, he probably should play someone who is match fit. Right now the Riise-Aurelio combo, which has the advantage of being rotatable, is probably the boss's preference. ;)

Totally agree with you, bro... Especially since both (JAR & Fabio) their forms are picking (or peaking) up right now... :D

[Xautism]

liverpool sign yet another young player... tis time a dutch frm Ajax... 18 yr old..... called Jordy Brouwer....
The teenager is manager Rafael Benitez's third signing in the transfer window, with Sampdoria's Italy Under-21 goalkeeper Daniele Padelli and Boca Juniors' Emiliano Insua both having joined on loan.
'We have made a good signing for the future in Jordy,' said chief executive Rick Parry of the Holland Under-19 international.

'He has had a youth contract at Ajax but has opted to build his career at Liverpool.

'We have been monitoring his progress and look forward to developing his potential at Anfield.'

Benitez has previously made it clear more needs to be invested in the Reds' youth policy.


from soccernet n liverpoolfc.tv

[KingEros]

I watched the LFC - Chelsea match with Onion Rings and Wukong is a place full of Coyote and Rubba Rubbas. Anyone interested to join us in future can PM either one of us.

Best of all, Wukong will never walk alone in that Pub anymore... Hahaha
Where exactly & what exactly might that be??

I was contemplating rallying a YNWA meet-up of REds from this thread on 3rd Feb, when Reds play Blue from across the Mersey ... library75 can help us get good seats at HRC ... who's interested??

[KingEros]

The quartet of Kewell, Alonso, Sissoko and Gerrard is the strongest midfield in Europe when they are all at the top of their game and I think them 4 will give us the best chance of getting past Barcelona.
I beg to differ ... I think Riise does a better job at LM, compared to Kewell - what more, Kewell will not have match fitness aftr such a long lay-off, not to mention that he has never played 1 single impressive match during his time with LFC so far.

[onion_rings]

I was contemplating rallying a YNWA meet-up of REds from this thread on 3rd Feb, when Reds play Blue from across the Mersey ... library75 can help us get good seats at HRC ... who's interested??
We were beaten this season by the blues in anfield would luv to see vice versa NOW oops 3Feb count me in :cool: :D

[mahalosux]

Tiger vs Carlsberg.

I think this is the most unflattering of the ads of the top clubs by far.

haha..actually like the one tat feature 'chelski'...the one tat feature 'drogba' pretends to fall to the ground on the way to the dressing room....

[canthaveenuf]

I beg to differ ... I think Riise does a better job at LM, compared to Kewell - what more, Kewell will not have match fitness aftr such a long lay-off, not to mention that he has never played 1 single impressive match during his time with LFC so far.

Totally agree with you bro. I hadn't been very impressed with Kewell so far too, other than the one or two goals he scored with his left foot. He just doesn't seem to play with his heart much. Machiam going through motion leh. Some more easy to get injured wan. We need Riise's hardworking attitude and his pile-driver at times. I think opposition goalkeeper must really be scared till want to pee when they see him shooting with his lethal left foot.

BTW, why all these sudden talk about Kewell? Is he coming back? How about the status of our other injured stars? Bro U got updates?

Cheers

[Xautism]

Sissoko n Zenden are said to be nearing full fitness after recovering from long term injury problems according to the official web today... as for Kewell... i rem seeing somewhere tat he might b back in time for the CL clash with Barca... but then i dun tink he will play due to lack of match fitness.... Hope tis is the last time seeing him getting such long term injury... used to b a veri good player b4 he came liverpool........ n i almost bought his jersey when he arrived......

[KingEros]

used to b a veri good player b4 he came liverpool...........
Ever stopped & pondered why he was so good at Leeds??
Or ever noticed how well Heskey was doing at Leicester ... & now at Wigan??
Well, when good players who only need to do 1 job come to LFC ... they then have to learn quickly to do more than 1 job ... those who succeed become the really great players. ;)

[canthaveenuf]

Ever stopped & pondered why he was so good at Leeds??
Or ever noticed how well Heskey was doing at Leicester ... & now at Wigan??
Well, when good players who only need to do 1 job come to LFC ... they then have to learn quickly to do more than 1 job ... those who succeed become the really great players. ;)

Bro care to elaborate? Was Kewell doing more than one job? As for Heskey ..... I dun recall him doing many jobs leh ...... he was always up there trying to score goals but more often than not, not being able to do so, looking very lost most of the times.

But, I do recall Kewell playing very well in Leeds. When he got transferred to Liverpool, I was very happy but it was not to be.

I tot Kewell played well at Leeds was becos of the Leeds team at that time. It was a rather young team and their style of play is pretty adventurous type, maybe suit Kewell more. Just my tots.

Cheers

[rahl]

Bro care to elaborate? Was Kewell doing more than one job? As for Heskey ..... I dun recall him doing many jobs leh ...... he was always up there trying to score goals but more often than not, not being able to do so, looking very lost most of the times.

But, I do recall Kewell playing very well in Leeds. When he got transferred to Liverpool, I was very happy but it was not to be.

I tot Kewell played well at Leeds was becos of the Leeds team at that time. It was a rather young team and their style of play is pretty adventurous type, maybe suit Kewell more. Just my tots.

Cheers

In my opinion not many recent Pool players have flourished after leaving the club. James perhaps but he hasn't won anything has he? Heskey I think has been poor and his club is struggling down the bottom. Murphy has become something of a bit part player. Owen, well...

The point about Kewell is true of many attacking players who have come to Pool. Same thing could be said of Pennant and Speedy now. It was very hard especially under Houllier who left the striker(s) up alone. It is a bit better with Rafa now but for the last couple seasons, we haven't really had good wing players other than Stevie. If there is no balance, naturally the winger finds himself more closely marked. Hopefully when Harry comes back and regains match fitness, he will find the system more to his advantage.

[Jadoo]

In my opinion not many recent Pool players have flourished after leaving the club. James perhaps but he hasn't won anything has he? Heskey I think has been poor and his club is struggling down the bottom. Murphy has become something of a bit part player. Owen, well...

The point about Kewell is true of many attacking players who have come to Pool. Same thing could be said of Pennant and Speedy now. It was very hard especially under Houllier who left the striker(s) up alone. It is a bit better with Rafa now but for the last couple seasons, we haven't really had good wing players other than Stevie. If there is no balance, naturally the winger finds himself more closely marked. Hopefully when Harry comes back and regains match fitness, he will find the system more to his advantage.

I feel that LFC misses somebody that can dribble the ball like Barnes, Beardsley or Mcmanaman. Most successful teams has somebody that really dribble well.

I wonder will Owen rejoin LFC one day like Rush and Fowler had done.

[canthaveenuf]

I feel that LFC misses somebody that can dribble the ball like Barnes, Beardsley or Mcmanaman. Most successful teams has somebody that really dribble well.

Agree with you bro. I still remember those 3 fellows. Those were the days. Yes, we do need people who like to and can run at defenders very confidently, like MU's Ronaldo. We tend to play quite safe, passing the ball around most of the times. Not that it is a bad thing, but sometimes we need to be more adventurous and pile on the pressure. As a defender, if you see someone running at you, you also be more kamcheong.

Right now, the only person close enuf is ...... well, Pennant, IMHO. This chap can dribble well and provide good crosses too. After a slow start, he is finally getting into his stride and contributing more. But he has to work more on his defensive duties. Another player who also seem to like to dribble nowadays is Crouch using his long legs. And he isn't all too bad at it.:)

I wonder will Owen rejoin LFC one day like Rush and Fowler had done.

Will that be a good thing? Personally, I dun see what is so great about Owen. Overhyped I feel. He is speedy yes, opportunistic yes, but skillful? Not really.

Cheers

[rahl]

Another player who also seem to like to dribble nowadays is Crouch using his long legs. And he isn't all too bad at it.

Will that be a good thing? Personally, I dun see what is so great about Owen. Overhyped I feel. He is speedy yes, opportunistic yes, but skillful? Not really.

Cheers

I rather Crouchie doesn't dribble. Once in a while, great footwork, most of the time lose ball.

Bicycle kick I don't mind ;)

Make no mistake, Owen is a class act. He is perhaps the best finisher in the biz (don't think even Henry can match him) and we have suffered since he has left. But it's been a good thing also since we now have to learn how to attack properly as a team ;)

[coolfire69]

I rather Crouchie doesn't dribble. Once in a while, great footwork, most of the time lose ball.

Bicycle kick I don't mind

Make no mistake, Owen is a class act. He is perhaps the best finisher in the biz (don't think even Henry can match him) and we have suffered since he has left. But it's been a good thing also since we now have to learn how to attack properly as a team ;)

...And not be a one-striker team... :p

[ah_ray]

I beg to differ ... I think Riise does a better job at LM, compared to Kewell - what more, Kewell will not have match fitness aftr such a long lay-off, not to mention that he has never played 1 single impressive match during his time with LFC so far.

Yup bro, it's such a shame how things turned out for him. He was such a fantastic player at Leeds and he scored 11 or 12 goals in his first season with us.

After all those injuries, he had a long run in the team last season and whilst he wasn't impressive like he used to be, he was getting there. Then he had another set-back in Cardiff, going off early in a cup final once more and he's been out ever since.

Probably won't be as good as he once was but there's no harm in wishing he finds his long forgotten form. Time will tell, but let's not forget that he's a potential match-winner when he's on song. Whichever way you look at it, his return is long overdue, and is nothing but good news for the club :)

[ah_ray]

If there is no balance, naturally the winger finds himself more closely marked. Hopefully when Harry comes back and regains match fitness, he will find the system more to his advantage.

Thanks for the points too bro beck7777 and bro Sirus, if i got the power, will return :)

Kewell back in the side would be a huge plus with his creative passing and his control over the ball. Bellamy and Kuyt would greatly benifit with through ball after through ball ;)

[Wowholing]

Kewell back in the side would be a huge plus with his creative passing and his control over the ball. Bellamy and Kuyt would greatly benifit with through ball after through ball ;)



Agree. We were strong last season because we have Harry on the left and Gerrard on the right. We were unstoppable. But this season, something is lacking. There's less threat on the left side, pennant is not as effective as he should be. As far as this season goes, the best we've played was when Gerrard played as a right winger and we didn't attack that much on the left flank. But with Harry on the left... God knows what kind of damage we could do. Miss Harry? Of course we do :D

[Jadoo]

Will that be a good thing? Personally, I dun see what is so great about Owen. Overhyped I feel. He is speedy yes, opportunistic yes, but skillful? Not really.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

His scoring rate per game is quite high, same goes to Fowler.

Injuries had kept both of them out of the game.

[Wowholing]

Will that be a good thing? Personally, I dun see what is so great about Owen. Overhyped I feel. He is speedy yes, opportunistic yes, but skillful? Not really.

Cheers

His scoring rate per game is quite high, same goes to Fowler.

Injuries had kept both of them out of the game.[/QUOTE]


I remembered a moment from the FA Cup final against Arsenal. We'd played so poorly and i had just about accepted that we had lost to the other team. Owen gets his first and we're all in rapture and fancy our chances in extra-time and then BANG. He's won us the bloody game. So SUPER, so disbelieving and SOOO happy. What a day!

[ah_ray]

I rather Crouchie doesn't dribble. Once in a while, great footwork, most of the time lose ball.

Bicycle kick I don't mind ;)




I still like Morientes best.

I think the difference is Morientes is a veteran player with an established pedigree while Crouch is up and coming player whose gangly appearance was always going to get him the sympathy vote.
I'm not into this over top slagging of players but like Kewell last season i think alot of venom is based on the fact that some fans are just expecting so much more...

[Wowholing]

Yeah i too fancy Morientes style of play.

So Morientes we all knew is a class player, but the premiership was too fast and too physical for him. He was given long enough to adapt to premiership football but just couldn't hack it.

Look at Morientes now at Valencia, hes scored 12 goals already.

Sigh.. How i wished we could have signed Andrew Johnson. What Pool lacks and needs now is a natural finisher ;)

[rahl]

Yeah i too fancy Morientes style of play.

So Morientes we all knew is a class player, but the premiership was too fast and too physical for him. He was given long enough to adapt to premiership football but just couldn't hack it.

Look at Morientes now at Valencia, hes scored 12 goals already.

Sigh.. How i wished we could have signed Andrew Johnson. What Pool lacks and needs now is a natural finisher ;)

Andrew Johnson is a finisher? He is never gonna make the grade. Let him rot at Evershite.

Them natural finishers are few and far in between.

[Jadoo]

Andrew Johnson is a finisher? He is never gonna make the grade. Let him rot at Evershite.

Them natural finishers are few and far in between.

Rank Player Goals
1 Alan Shearer 260
2 Andrew Cole [41] 187
3 Thierry Henry [41] 173
4 Robbie Fowler [41] 160
5 Les Ferdinand 149
6 Teddy Sheringham [41] 147
7 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink [41] 126
8 Michael Owen [41] 125
9 Dwight Yorke 122
10 Ian Wright 113
As of 21 January 2007 (Bold notes players still in Premier League).[42]
Further information: English football champions
Former Blackburn Rovers and Newcastle United striker Alan Shearer holds the record for most Premiership goals with 260. Shearer finished among the top ten

There are too many "1 Season Scorer" like Kevin Phillips.. How many can actually break that 100 goals mark?? I doubt even Gerrard can make it too..

YNWA,
Jadoo

[Castrol]

Rank Player Goals

3 Thierry Henry [41] 173

8 Michael Owen [41] 125



great list bro. seems all of them are over the hill already except henry and owen.

i expect henry to curl another 50 goals or more into the net before he hangs up his shorts. as for owen, his weapon is his speed, if he doesnt lose his pace when back from injury, he will bring back the good days to newcastle next season. :D

[Wowholing]

Andrew Johnson is a finisher? He is never gonna make the grade. Let him rot at Evershite.

Them natural finishers are few and far in between.


Personally I think he's pretty good with the kicks and runs. Definately he'll be a better buy than Robo C.
Other than the club's notable rivalry with us, I think johnson's on the potential improvement level :)

Rank Player Goals
Further information: English football champions
Former Blackburn Rovers and Newcastle United striker Alan Shearer holds the record for most Premiership goals with 260. Shearer finished among the top ten

There are too many "1 Season Scorer" like Kevin Phillips.. How many can actually break that 100 goals mark?? I doubt even Gerrard can make it too..

YNWA,
Jadoo


Haha yup, most strikers are workhorses for that certain season, then usually back to their dry spells the next.
Shearer's record was a goal every 1.97 games. He scored something like 400 over goals for club and country. That's an impressive record that's hard to beat.
Maybe someday.... :D

[rahl]

Personally I think he's pretty good with the kicks and runs. Definately he'll be a better buy than Robo C.
Other than the club's notable rivalry with us, I think johnson's on the potential improvement level

Well what has AJ done to deserve the accolades? He was a one season wonder with Palace who got relegated. Had a decent spell early in the season and now gone crap again. The Evershite strikers are poor and overpriced and overhyped. There is really only one scorer at Goodison and that's Cahill.

I suppose you mean by Robo, Crouch. If that's the case, I respectfully disagree. Crouch is a more rounded team player other than the fact he will always head the ball straight into the arms of the goalie.

[rahl]

Rank Player Goals
1 Alan Shearer 260
2 Andrew Cole [41] 187
3 Thierry Henry [41] 173
4 Robbie Fowler [41] 160
5 Les Ferdinand 149
6 Teddy Sheringham [41] 147
7 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink [41] 126
8 Michael Owen [41] 125
9 Dwight Yorke 122
10 Ian Wright 113
As of 21 January 2007 (Bold notes players still in Premier League).[42]
Further information: English football champions

Top scorers doesn't mean natural finishers. Shearer scored many penalties, particularly late in his career when he couldn't move anymore.

Andy Cole? He was at one time criticised for needing several chances to put one away.

Henry? At another time Wenger was talking about the need for a fox in the box (then he went on to buy Francis Jeffers).

Owen is the finisher par none. He is eighth despite his age, injuries and spell at Real. Sadly I don't fancy his chances of catching up with Shearer.

[LSB_Fan]

I wonder will Owen rejoin LFC one day like Rush and Fowler had done.

This is what i hope too... i always thot it was silly for us to lose Fowler and Owen... bad enough to foreign teams... but absoloutely terrible when Owen signed for the toons...

[LSB_Fan]

Will that be a good thing? Personally, I dun see what is so great about Owen. Overhyped I feel. He is speedy yes, opportunistic yes, but skillful? Not really.

Cheers


Well... just look at the stats.. he is a 'dependable' contributor of goals... that's what being a striker is all about...

[LSB_Fan]

Personally I think he's pretty good with the kicks and runs. Definately he'll be a better buy than Robo C.
Other than the club's notable rivalry with us, I think johnson's on the potential improvement level :)


I think strikers like Andy Johnson is a good player for teams like Everton... or other less established teams. He would not do well in First Tier teams like Liverpool, ManU, Arsenal ...

[Sirus_The_Virus]

I suppose you mean by Robo, Crouch. If that's the case, I respectfully disagree. Crouch is a more rounded team player other than the fact he will always head the ball straight into the arms of the goalie.



I feel that its not so much of his headed power and technique that is the problem - although there is definite room for improvement - but his placement. The positions for heading he takes up are so good that he doesn't need to power it as long as he doesn't just head it into the arms of the keeper.

He cannot jump much but he can touch the ball (not for finishing but to pass the ball) without jumping. If you look at the opposition defenders many of them preffer to let him touch the ball and are aware of the second chance, rather than jump with Crouch to win the challenge. That's an asset for the team :)

[Sirus_The_Virus]

Personally I think he's pretty good with the kicks and runs. Definately he'll be a better buy than Robo C.
Other than the club's notable rivalry with us, I think johnson's on the potential improvement level



Actually if there's anyone i want back/in Pool, it's Garcia. Unfortunately we expect to be without him for six months :(

He's currently the second best scorer in the squad, and he's not a striker. His goals are not fluke, as he regularly manages to score them every season. Physically, he was in a good form, and when he started on the left he ran a lot and he was roaming between lines, changing from one wing to another... His overall contribution is to make the oposition defence mad! It's tough to mark him individually and he's the kind of player that can make a zonal defence ridiculous!

He scores, he passes, he runs. Yeah, he gives away balls, but not as much as he used to.

That's one man i'll miss :D

[beck7777]

He's currently the second best scorer in the squad, and he's not a striker. His goals are not fluke, as he regularly manages to score them every season. Physically, he was in a good form, and when he started on the left he ran a lot and he was roaming between lines, changing from one wing to another... His overall contribution is to make the oposition defence mad! It's tough to mark him individually and he's the kind of player that can make a zonal defence ridiculous!

He scores, he passes, he runs. Yeah, he gives away balls, but not as much as he used to.

That's one man i'll miss :D


Garcia is a player I dunno to love or hate.. HAHAHA...

When he is good, he is real good!

But when his tricks and flicks dun work, you feel like killing him...

But I do know is he is more often than not, our big match winner! :D

[Wowholing]

Actually if there's anyone i want back/in Pool, it's Garcia. Unfortunately we expect to be without him for six months :(

He's currently the second best scorer in the squad, and he's not a striker. His goals are not fluke, as he regularly manages to score them every season. Physically, he was in a good form, and when he started on the left he ran a lot and he was roaming between lines, changing from one wing to another... His overall contribution is to make the oposition defence mad! It's tough to mark him individually and he's the kind of player that can make a zonal defence ridiculous!


Not to forget he is the best header of the ball in the team.
17 appearances, 6 goals, 6 assists. We're going to miss him, that's his stats for just this season.
The guy's scored over 30 goals in two and a half seasons, playing in midfield and not always a regular starter. That's fantastic whatever way you look like it. To be honest I think he's been under-used this season.

[Wowholing]

Garcia is a player I dunno to love or hate.. HAHAHA...

When he is good, he is real good!

But when his tricks and flicks dun work, you feel like killing him...

But I do know is he is more often than not, our big match winner! :D


Haha yup bro. He always seems to score the odd goal just at the right time. He's definitely a large contributor to the team, especially in the Champions League and at Home! :p

[canthaveenuf]

Garcia is a player I dunno to love or hate.. HAHAHA...

When he is good, he is real good!

But when his tricks and flicks dun work, you feel like killing him...

But I do know is he is more often than not, our big match winner! :D

That pretty much sums up how I feel about Garcia too. :D We will sorely miss his services.

Cheers

[ah_ray]

He scores, he passes, he runs. Yeah, he gives away balls, but not as much as he used to.



Never mind his passing! Yes he does loose the ball a lot. In his defence some may argue that he is a very intelligent footballer and some players find it hard to read his audacious style... hence passes go missing lol...
But he will be a MAJOR loss in the Champions League for us... He is our 3rd biggest shooter behind kuyt and gerrard and our 2nd best dribbler, scores crackers in the champ league , brill at home so he'll be missed in those games.
Hope he has a speedy and full recovery...

[KingEros]

Wenger: I may have to prioritise competitions

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger admits he may soon have to prioritise which competitions are most important for the Gunners this season.

The Gunners face a fixture congestion following Sunday's 1-1 draw with Bolton in the FA Cup fourth round.

Brazilian Julio Baptista was the latest player to pick up an injury, with his groin problem now making the attacker a doubt for Wednesday night's Carling Cup semi-final second leg against Tottenham.

Arsenal must go to the Reebok Stadium for a replay on February 14 - a date already earmarked for a rearranged home Premiership clash with Manchester City.

With the Champions League campaign also set to resume next month, Wenger accepts he may have to soon weigh up his feelings about the domestic knockout competitions.

'I will see when we play and which players I will use, because at the moment it is important not to lose too many players,' said Wenger.

'First of all you want your good players to be with you and we do have important games coming up.

'If we continue to lose players, I will have to choose what we go for.'

With leading scorer Robin van Persie already out with a potentially season-ending injury the rest of the season and several other first-choice players struggling, Wenger admits he cannot afford to see his squad depleted further.

Hmmm ... why they always copycat?? :rolleyes:

[beck7777]

Top scorers doesn't mean natural finishers. Shearer scored many penalties, particularly late in his career when he couldn't move anymore.



I agree that Shearer took all the penaties for his club..

But its not as if there are penalty every 4-5 games...

Shearer to me is a typical British striker and he really know how to score!

To me, he is truly a world class finisher... I'm sure not many bros will disagree.. :D

[ah_ray]

I agree that Shearer took all the penaties for his club..

But its not as if there are penalty every 4-5 games...

Shearer to me is a typical British striker and he really know how to score!

To me, he is truly a world class finisher... I'm sure not many bros will disagree.. :D

yes, Shearer not only was a top drawer striker for years, a goal machine and a fantasic play maker. Haha a true legend. Pity he got to go, he was the main motivation for the club. Think if he was still there he probably would have got 8 goals by now.

Heard a ITK rumour that Shearer is going to make a return to playing for the Magpies. He has been training with them a lot lately and they are pleading with him to help them out of the current crisis. He's going to do it once he feels up to full fitness. Don't know how true this is, but i rather he be coaching though :)

[beck7777]

Good win for us..

It's nice to see us going on such fine form.. :D

[beck7777]

Nearly forgot,

Happy Birthday to Crouchy!! :D

[libraguy75]

Heh Guys !!


We won today 2-1...

Puts us on a good run....

Hope it will last till the end of the season........

Anybody coming down to HRC to watch the game this eveing ??




Libraguy75 aka Lorry Driver.

[libraguy75]

Oh yeah....

Before I got to go back to work....


!! Happy Birthday, Crouch !!





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[Cummon]

I am really shocked after reading this
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=405882&cc=4716

If DIC is really that interested in taking over LFC,why can't they just wait for few more days or try to match Gillete's bid ? I still believe David Moores & Rick Parry will always do what's best for the club.

Hopefully this won't affect our performance on the pitch come this Saturday
against the Bluenose.

[KingEros]

If DIC is really that interested in taking over LFC,why can't they just wait for few more days or try to match Gillete's bid ? I still believe David Moores & Rick Parry will always do what's best for the club.
If you already had a verbal agreement from the seller over a private apartment flat at $800k ... then the seller tell yu he needs more time becoz another person has counter-offered $880k ... are you gonna up your offer to make sure you get the apartment?? What if the other person counter-offer a higher price again??
Moreover, this is not even $80k difference we're talking about ... it's 8m pounds leh.

I'm not so sure now that David Moore has LFC's best interest at heart ... if you're already gonna be a multi-millionaire (worst fact is that he's already a fucking billionaire since his family owns the Littlewoods chain), why greed over a mere 8m??
In the club's best interest, the deal had to go through asap ... so that work on the new stadium can start soonest - this is where the money for new big-time players is gonna be generated from. Over 8m into his personal pocket, David Moores has just screwed up LFC's chances of matching the coffers of the BIG & RICH clubs!!!

As for Rick Parry, he's just another employee ... not unlike Phil Kenyon at Chelsea. He has no say in what David Moores will do, even if he does have LFC's interests at heart ... anyway, we dun even know if he's still gonna be around after any of the take-over. :rolleyes:

[rahl]

As for Rick Parry, he's just another employee ... not unlike Phil Kenyon at Chelsea. He has no say in what David Moores will do, even if he does have LFC's interests at heart ... anyway, we dun even know if he's still gonna be around after any of the take-over. :rolleyes:

It's hard to say what really happened. But first, it was DIC which pulled out, apparently cos the Sheik was angry about Pool not accepting their offer.

Second, it may have been the minority shareholders such as Granada which wanted to study the American proposal.

Personally I have nothing against Moores or Parry. I just hope the matter gets settled quickly and we don't end up with nothing yet again.

[blackslayer]

you will never walk alone!!!

[libraguy75]

Its another 1.5 hours before the game start....


COMMON YOU REDS !!



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[FatMan]

Too bad offside

[Cummon]

Well done bluenose for defending so well :mad:
Pennant scored a beauty against Chelski,we can't take that away,but we do need a top class right winger if we wanna challenge for EPL title next season.

[KingEros]

Well done bluenose for defending so well :mad:
Well, I look at it this way ...
Rafa sprung a surprise tactically, as in he played Alonso in a deeper position but while he saw more of the ball, he was not confident enough most of the time. Same applied to Kuyt & even Crouch ... I thought they really had that 0-3 Goodison defeat still shaking them deep in their minds.
Testimony to that was the disallowed goal in the first half ... instead of building on that, most of the Reds became easily frustrated the rest of the game. :(

I just hope Arsenal dun get more than a draw & Spurs beat the Scums in their own backyard tomorrow.

[canthaveenuf]

The whole team didn't perform well. Alonso was out of sorts. Gerrard was running around aimlessly quite a bit. Kuyt was getting frustrated. We were lucky Pepe did a great job this time.

Wonder how much of this can be attributed to:

a) the DIC issue? Could this be playing on the players' minds?
b) Rafa using the 3-men attack scheme too often? Has it become too predictable?
c) the team tried too hard, because it is a local derby. If they had relaxed a bit more and played their usual game, maybe things may have been different?
d) the team tried too hard because they know they are getting closer and closer to the coveted 2nd spot?

No doubt Everton played pretty good defensively. But, if we had used the flanks more, esp the left side, instead of always trying to go down the congested middle, maybe things might have been different.

Cheers

[rahl]

Wonder how much of this can be attributed to:

a) the DIC issue? Could this be playing on the players' minds?
b) Rafa using the 3-men attack scheme too often? Has it become too predictable?
c) the team tried too hard, because it is a local derby. If they had relaxed a bit more and played their usual game, maybe things may have been different?
d) the team tried too hard because they know they are getting closer and closer to the coveted 2nd spot?

So many reasons? ;) I don't think the investment was a factor.

Fair play to Everton who did their job well. We just didn't have the movement and quality in the end to create clear chances. Pennant was a good outlet on the right but his crosses were poor. I thought Crouch had a bad game particularly and allowed Yobo and Stubbs to dominate.

Well we gotta wait for next season for revenge!

[Frankiestine]

wat a damper of a match...now those bloody evertonians are still going to have bragging rights till next season...

[Cummon]

Looking at the bright side,the fact that they came to Anfield looking only for a draw showed that they have too much respects for us at the moment.

Anyway together with another earlier goaless draw with Pompey,we have lost four precious points at home. We have only ourselves to blame,to be champions we have to score against our opponents,whether there are 4 or 10
defenders in front of their goal,that's football.

Looking forward to having an exciting week ahead as George Gillete & Tom Hicks are all set to table a formal bid to take over our beloved LFC.

[ukcheong]

I suggest we dun read too much into the draw... wat basically happened was that Everton raised their defensive performance 150% - as usual in a derby. They knew this time they ain't gonna get the 3-0 repeat and knowing Liverpool's recent form, Moyes knew it's suicidal to play an open game. No shame in just parking "the fooking team bus across the goal", to quote a certain Mr Mourinho.

Esp when their MOM Stubbs was playing out of his skin!! :mad: To win tis type of game we need "magic" players which can conjure up one moment!

Let's look fwd to the Newcastle match instead... YNWA

[beck7777]

But still kinda disappointed we didnt win the derby...

We had so much possesion and attempts so not to score even one is quite unexcusable...

Anyway, we are lucky Arsenal dropped points too.. But the top two pull away from us again.. :mad: