Mistress

[Rolec]

Bro Warbird
I have also read ur success stories on getting ktv gals outside ktv! But all Bros here very humble like shall i say Grand Master Jedi. Me younglings....... not even Padawan.. Haha! Noted n will look for the books u recommend.

For me, when i go ktv, i hav kind of direct approach. Just maximise playability. Never have I imagine so much going on in playing KTV! Seduction, empowering... This is COOL.. For now, i will use these learning points for my search of a gf.

Bro Anson
perhaps we can cheong tgr!

[warbird]

Originally Posted by Rolec

Bro Warbird
I have also read ur success stories on getting ktv gals outside ktv! But all Bros here very humble like shall i say Grand Master Jedi. Me younglings....... not even Padawan.. Haha! Noted n will look for the books u recommend.

For me, when i go ktv, i hav kind of direct approach. Just maximise playability. Never have I imagine so much going on in playing KTV! Seduction, empowering... This is COOL.. For now, i will use these learning points for my search of a gf.

Bro Anson
perhaps we can cheong tgr!

Hi bro Rolec,

No, I wont say I'm "successful" bcos it's a hit-n-miss game. But It's always very exciting n thrilling attempting to pick up chio SYTs, hehehe. Best of all, it's absolutely FREE. At the very least, my skin is getting thicker n thicker n I'm closer n closer to becoming a fearless, overconfident n unflappable gentleman.

Many bros talk abt playability in KTVs. I'm not interested in just that. I want their pussies, either ST or BY.

Good day!!

[Loving_Dickhead]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

cos i was tied up wif my latest BY, which only costs me only 6k a month.

Bro - how cum you can always sniff out a good deal?
I also want ... kekeke.

Joining us tonight?

[Loving_Dickhead]

Originally Posted by warbird

Hi bro Rolec,

No, I wont say I'm "successful" bcos it's a hit-n-miss game. But It's always very exciting n thrilling attempting to pick up chio SYTs, hehehe. Best of all, it's absolutely FREE. At the very least, my skin is getting thicker n thicker n I'm closer n closer to becoming a fearless, overconfident n unflappable gentleman.

Many bros talk abt playability in KTVs. I'm not interested in just that. I want their pussies, either ST or BY.

Good day!!

Wau laoz... bro, you too humble leh. Your hit rate like machiam almost 100%.

I also find it hard to keep up with you, be it in standings, pole or doggie.

See you tonight.
LDH

[warbird]

Originally Posted by Loving_Dickhead

Wau laoz... bro, you too humble leh. Your hit rate like machiam almost 100%.

I also find it hard to keep up with you, be it in standings, pole or doggie.

See you tonight.
LDH

Hi bro LDH,

C'mon, you're fast becoming one of the masters!

My hit rate is actually closer to a pathetic 50% whereas yours appear to be 100%!! If only I had ur looks n charm, hehehe.

Cheers!!

[ansonsohna]

Originally Posted by Rolec

For me, when i go ktv, i hav kind of direct approach. Just maximise playability. Never have I imagine so much going on in playing KTV! Seduction, empowering... This is COOL.. For now, i will use these learning points for my search of a gf.

Bro Anson
perhaps we can cheong tgr!

Originally Posted by Rolec

Bro Justime, Bro Warbird, Bro DYBJ n Bro Anson
I was reading this read the whole of today and so captivated i couldnt stop! I have read Mystery Method (Mystery is the teacher of Neil Straus who wrote The Game) and IMHO this thread can give these international best-sellers a run for their money. Was so motivated that I register an account to pay kudos to you.

Bro Anson is an inspiring story. Im in similar boat as Bro Anson. I am trying to go on dates to find gf. 1 fantastic takeaway is to welcome rejections! n learn from them.

Cheers

Bro Rolec, for me the most important masterstroke of them all is guru Justime's advice of collecting rejection. Last time everytime before i approach a gal, dam stress & kan cheong. and when kena rejected will feel devasted the whole day (& sumtime longer). tks to guru Justime, i now know tat it is a self esteem issue & will take the necessary action to correct it.

not to say, now like casanova, any gal can approach. still got kan cheong. but now can 鼓起勇气 (take courage) by focusing collecting rejection. tis way, either she say yes or no, i win. very empowering perspective to carry according to bro justime by "setting yurself up for success".

just to share w u, since we are same same bro novice when cum to hving gals: guru justime actually 'force' me to drop him a little note everyday for one week on my rejection collection. need to email him wat time, where & general appearance of the gal tat rejected me. at first dam scared, but bcos he spent his valuable time coaching me & lend me money, i feel sorta obligated. so i force myself to act on it. by the time one week pass, notice tat it get easier, i now very less stress when talking to strangers.

i oso use wat guru justime taught me & apply it in my real life. wat he says work leh. from almost zero, i now got go out on date with at least six new gals. not beauty queen i must say but among them got one w some chemistry, wh i will def follow up. .... now can talk abt not 'forsake forest for one tree'. (last time wl prob worship her feet if gal got some chemistry w me).

as for my mini 'mistress' venture with EE, had another rd of ST @ $100. sex shiokalala!

wat i like is EE never kpkb wen take bus/mrt w me (instead of taxi). EE got initially ask me to booking her 4 her time (she don't feel like working tat day), i refuse & say only $100 plus must got sex.... she 接受 n wat's more she never show attitude thruout our time tog!

sure, like to cheong w u soon. wait for sep pay day first okay bro?

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by Loving_Dickhead

Bro - how cum you can always sniff out a good deal?
I also want ... kekeke.

Joining us tonight?

Apologies for the late reply bro, lately, dunno Y so many angmo come to our stupid island, so got only enuff time to entertain & be entertained, that's y couldnt meet up wif u good bros as our Master WarBird has been pre-informed by me.....
FYI, my BY already dumped 2 days ago wahahahaha
Next in line coming real soon...hehehe

[Loving_Dickhead]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Apologies for the late reply bro, lately, dunno Y so many angmo come to our stupid island, so got only enuff time to entertain & be entertained, that's y couldnt meet up wif u good bros as our Master WarBird has been pre-informed by me.....
FYI, my BY already dumped 2 days ago wahahahaha
Next in line coming real soon...hehehe

All these angmos; flee at the first sight of trouble, reap at the first sight of gain. Their motives on arrival are quite obvious as with the height of times in 2007. Go, suck them dry dry... not their below but straight into their wallets.

You are fast worker... just got a new BY and dump liaoz. Who's the name target? kekeke. Any chance of catching her this coming Wed at TAM?

[sing11235813]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Again, before i cont, i'll start from the end of your post.
As far as the amount you're willing to spend is concerned, you might as well use it for a month.
During which u already knew the transaction will not even surpass a months period.
So, y not keep a standby pussy incase your new toy bleeds for that period???? Maximise your investments bro......

Dear Bro DYBJ,

Perhaps, you could help me out a little here with the math-- I want to more comprehensively appreciate the financial terms and constraints that the singers are facing so that I can get the upperhand in all negotiations with them.

I'm guessing that (please correct me every place you see a "??"):
- The singers are paid a fixed salary every month-- about $2K??
- In return, they work every night (from 9pm to 1am??); and have to get flowers totaling $6K??
- They personally get 60%?? of the value of flowers hung on them
- If they fall short of the $6K total, 60%?? of the shortfall gets deducted from their salary

So, assuming my numbers above:
- If they exactly meet the target of $6K, then their total takings is $2K + 0.6*$6K = $5.6K??
- If they fall short and say only got $4K, then their total takings is $2K + 0.6*$4K - 0.6*$2K = $3.2K??
- If they exceed and got $10K, then their total takings is $2K + 0.6*$10K = $8K??

Next set of questions are:
- What percentage of the singers already have BY patrons?
- Among those that don't have BY patrons, what percentage can always successfully far exceed their target every month (say average >$10K flowers per month)?
- Among those that don't have BY patrons, what percentage always struggle month to month and get their pay docked regularly (say average <$5K flowers per month)?

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Ok, for the rest of your prob, since time is a very tight factor for you, then my suggestion to you is, go to that joint, nego wif her, then once price to BY is confirmed, get to meet someone from the mgt.
Explain wif a friend of yours and the singer concerned as witness, then pass upfront 50% of the BY amount to that fella and also, ask for a direct ctc from that HFJ, cos, since you've upfront the $$$$, you should be able to hang without even being there. Hence, give a generous tip to that person involved cos he/she doesnt earn anything from this transaction...so steady a bit la.

Why 50%?????
If you only plan to shack the singer for 2weeks before you get sick of her meat, then you already got what you paid for.
Be cautious if they ask you for 1month upfront, prepay short term i.e 2 weeks is still fair, pay 1 month dangerous very prone to many hiccups and unforeseen probs...AKA BS!
Also, make sure your start date is just after her period, else you may just waste 1 week of your investment! hahaha

As for the house taking the flower cut, you shud not bother about that, the whole idea is to eliminate all competition and leave a trail that allow others to know that she's been BY by someone so as to prevent unwanted competition and total reliance on your financial support, this is key to total control of a singer.
During this period, sms your contact to hang flowers on your behalf about every 2 days between 500 to 1k, so as to show that she has got a supporter that others will have to reckon due to size of flowers.
Remember, many folks who go to HFJs hang small 100s to 500s and once a major contender comes into play, they'll think twice before hanging anything, thus the reason for this plot.

So, wif this plan, u can shack her as and when time permits u to, and also, allow u a back door at the end of 2 weeks.
As to why i dun advise anyone to be to generous is this:
If there're 2 shops that sells BMWs opposite each other along a road, one sells model A for 100k but the one across the street sells 150K for the same model, why pay 150K for the same model when you can save 50k and get the same thing?????? Makes sense?

Bro DYBJ, the wisdom in your plan is much much appreciated. As for the price, of course you are right that we shouldn't overpay for the exact same thing. I'm new to the game, and my initial thoughts were that the numbers that I quoted were reasonable, especially to singers who are used to seeing numbers like this being thrown around (admittedly, I'm using money from my perspective-- i.e. how much would I be willing to pay for a nice piece of meat). My above questions seek to give me some additional information on money from their perspective (i.e. how much would be sufficient to entice them). If the same objective can be achieved with say half the money then all the better-- I can do it twice as frequently!!

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Originally Posted by Loving_Dickhead

You are fast worker... just got a new BY and dump liaoz. Who's the name target? kekeke. Any chance of catching her this coming Wed at TAM?

I never keep more than 2 weeks.....though its said to be a month
The new one, not yet bro, me patient la, somemore singer, different way of reeling in

[Loving_Dickhead]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

I never keep more than 2 weeks.....though its said to be a month
The new one, not yet bro, me patient la, somemore singer, different way of reeling in

My records ain't too good as well... once tasted, I will move on. The most 3 to 4 weeks but in reality 2 weeks timeframe is good enough for me.

My new target LL will prove to be a significant challenge, but I hope to have the same patience as you do.

[Rolec]

Originally Posted by ansonsohna

Bro Rolec, for me the most important masterstroke of them all is guru Justime's advice of collecting rejection. Last time everytime before i approach a gal, dam stress & kan cheong. and when kena rejected will feel devasted the whole day (& sumtime longer). tks to guru Justime, i now know tat it is a self esteem issue & will take the necessary action to correct it.

not to say, now like casanova, any gal can approach. still got kan cheong. but now can 鼓起勇气 (take courage) by focusing collecting rejection. tis way, either she say yes or no, i win. very empowering perspective to carry according to bro justime by "setting yurself up for success".

just to share w u, since we are same same bro novice when cum to hving gals: guru justime actually 'force' me to drop him a little note everyday for one week on my rejection collection. need to email him wat time, where & general appearance of the gal tat rejected me. at first dam scared, but bcos he spent his valuable time coaching me & lend me money, i feel sorta obligated. so i force myself to act on it. by the time one week pass, notice tat it get easier, i now very less stress when talking to strangers.

i oso use wat guru justime taught me & apply it in my real life. wat he says work leh. from almost zero, i now got go out on date with at least six new gals. not beauty queen i must say but among them got one w some chemistry, wh i will def follow up. .... now can talk abt not 'forsake forest for one tree'. (last time wl prob worship her feet if gal got some chemistry w me).

as for my mini 'mistress' venture with EE, had another rd of ST @ $100. sex shiokalala!

wat i like is EE never kpkb wen take bus/mrt w me (instead of taxi). EE got initially ask me to booking her 4 her time (she don't feel like working tat day), i refuse & say only $100 plus must got sex.... she 接受 n wat's more she never show attitude thruout our time tog!

sure, like to cheong w u soon. wait for sep pay day first okay bro?

i felt sad on rejection last time too. makes me feel like im so desperate n lousy about myself. but after reading this thread, i am MOTIVATED! especially ur real life example!

any time also can cheong! Got mountain no worry about lack of wood to burn! mandarin not too good. hope some Master bro can translate better... haha!

[Rolec]

Originally Posted by ansonsohna

Bro Rolec, for me the most important masterstroke of them all is guru Justime's advice of collecting rejection. Last time everytime before i approach a gal, dam stress & kan cheong. and when kena rejected will feel devasted the whole day (& sumtime longer). tks to guru Justime, i now know tat it is a self esteem issue & will take the necessary action to correct it.

not to say, now like casanova, any gal can approach. still got kan cheong. but now can 鼓起勇气 (take courage) by focusing collecting rejection. tis way, either she say yes or no, i win. very empowering perspective to carry according to bro justime by "setting yurself up for success".

just to share w u, since we are same same bro novice when cum to hving gals: guru justime actually 'force' me to drop him a little note everyday for one week on my rejection collection. need to email him wat time, where & general appearance of the gal tat rejected me. at first dam scared, but bcos he spent his valuable time coaching me & lend me money, i feel sorta obligated. so i force myself to act on it. by the time one week pass, notice tat it get easier, i now very less stress when talking to strangers.

i oso use wat guru justime taught me & apply it in my real life. wat he says work leh. from almost zero, i now got go out on date with at least six new gals. not beauty queen i must say but among them got one w some chemistry, wh i will def follow up. .... now can talk abt not 'forsake forest for one tree'. (last time wl prob worship her feet if gal got some chemistry w me).

as for my mini 'mistress' venture with EE, had another rd of ST @ $100. sex shiokalala!

wat i like is EE never kpkb wen take bus/mrt w me (instead of taxi). EE got initially ask me to booking her 4 her time (she don't feel like working tat day), i refuse & say only $100 plus must got sex.... she 接受 n wat's more she never show attitude thruout our time tog!

sure, like to cheong w u soon. wait for sep pay day first okay bro?

yes, rejection not easy to handle. feel lousy abt myself when that happens many times. been telling myself to stop feeling negative. after reading this thread, feel MOTIVATED!

Wah! u seem to learn well, got good deal for EE. Maybe next time if i also got mini "mistress", we can go double mistressing?

On lah! cheong when $$ is replenished!

[DO_YOU_BJ]

Bro sing11235813, apologies, i seemed to have missed your post.
Ok here i go.

I'm guessing that (please correct me every place you see a "??"):
- The singers are paid a fixed salary every month-- about $2K??
- In return, they work every night (from 9pm to 1am??); and have to get flowers totaling $6K??
- They personally get 60%?? of the value of flowers hung on them
- If they fall short of the $6K total, 60%?? of the shortfall gets deducted from their salary

So, assuming my numbers above:
- If they exactly meet the target of $6K, then their total takings is $2K + 0.6*$6K = $5.6K??
- If they fall short and say only got $4K, then their total takings is $2K + 0.6*$4K - 0.6*$2K = $3.2K??
- If they exceed and got $10K, then their total takings is $2K + 0.6*$10K = $8K??

1st, singers are here totally as an monetary asset to any HFJ joint.
Meaning, they dun get any salary, what they earn, they split wif the company
If they dun earn good, the company will not hesitate to send them back.

Now, Different places have different targets to hit
Also, depending on joints, the % split may also differ.
Let me give you an example:
Joint has a minimum target of 6K per month per singer.
If singer can't hit 6k, she has to top up the difference from her own pocket.
As the earnings increase, the split % will also change.

6K and below: 50/50 split
8k & below: 70/30 split Where 70% is singer and 30 is joint
10k and above: 80/20 split
Bear in mind, the minimum split amount of 50/50 based on 6k is mandatory, meaning, any amount above 6k will be split based on new % but the 50/50 split based on 6k still applies
Did i loose you here???
Note, this isnt all, there are many deductions that will go on in their earnings, like tips for the masses aka mummy and waiters which will take up a very small % of what their split is, the one who does their employment and permit papers etc etc usually 500bucks a month, again, different joints, diff deductions.
Most importantly, is 买场
Although diff HFJs have diff prices for 买场, it is very important to find out if this is added into their flower tally.
Some places 买场 whole nite like DC, is 1k
Armani is 800
Mirage is 600 and so on
If 买场 is not added to flower tally for the singer, then a bit headache liao.
So, even if you 买场, company 50/50 split outright but her flower tally no change, this is also a move to IN-PRISON the singer at the joint

So its very important to find out about this.
Hope this answers your question 1 & 2

Next set of questions are:
- What percentage of the singers already have BY patrons?
- Among those that don't have BY patrons, what percentage can always successfully far exceed their target every month (say average >$10K flowers per month)?
- Among those that don't have BY patrons, what percentage always struggle month to month and get their pay docked regularly (say average <$5K flowers per month)?

There are signs and intel that i mentioned to you that you'll need.
The most common signs are 买场 and also, missing in action on weekends.
Most successful singers will 买场 on weekends so like working on a 5 day week roster.
Depending on the BY patron, some may actually have more than 1 without the other even knowing, that's why, intel is crucial!
Some, u dun even have to mention the BY word. Just hang a thousand or 2 on them, ask them to go overnight wif you, no probs and no violent objection.
But if you met her for the 1st time and ask her for ST, she'll outright tell u she aint no whore.....same shit but act more class la lol
Also, there are those that outright will do ST, so again, different singer, diff style

As for those who cant hit min per month, in 2 months if they still cant improve, they'll be sent home!

Remember the HFJ you go to, diff joints will require you to use diff tactics and approach.
In high end places like DC, LP, they will go all out to seek BY else they'll sure die, cos patrons there hang monster flowers, and small flower hangers will shy away from even hanging the 100-500 flowers
But if you go places like Armani, Macau or other lower end joints, where flowers can start from as low as 20 bucks, then there'll be more room for a tug of war.
Many small flowers daily can really add up in a month, so apply your approach very carefully!

Bro DYBJ, the wisdom in your plan is much much appreciated. As for the price, of course you are right that we shouldn't overpay for the exact same thing. I'm new to the game, and my initial thoughts were that the numbers that I quoted were reasonable, especially to singers who are used to seeing numbers like this being thrown around (admittedly, I'm using money from my perspective-- i.e. how much would I be willing to pay for a nice piece of meat). My above questions seek to give me some additional information on money from their perspective (i.e. how much would be sufficient to entice them). If the same objective can be achieved with say half the money then all the better-- I can do it twice as frequently!!

Remember, what u say is right, but...if a singer doesnt have a sugar daddy, she can choose to eat shit or still get BY though not at her desired amount.
Never be too generous is the name of the game but also, dun show that you're a cheapskate!
My personal advise to you is, to go after those that are 1st time here, not even on social pass but 1st time here
Screw her history in the motherland but once they're here for the 1st time, quick hand quick leg go & get 1st blood.
Like i always say, they are SG Virgins.
Most lao jiaos would find out about this when new singers arrive that why again, intel is crucial.
That's Y, at those joints that i frequent, everytime a new singer has landed and has not even started work yet, the people there will already inform me of this new blood.
Those that come here to sing more that once liao, mark my words, kenna makan breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper like no bodies business already before and dun be surprised, still have old flame flings that will never appear at her working place!

[Oceanlee]

Originally Posted by DO_YOU_BJ

Screw her history in the motherland but once they're here for the 1st time, quick hand quick leg go & get 1st blood.
Like i always say, they are SG Virgins.
Most lao jiaos would find out about this when new singers arrive that why again, intel is crucial.
That's Y, at those joints that i frequent, everytime a new singer has landed and has not even started work yet, the people there will already inform me of this new blood.
Those that come here to sing more that once liao, mark my words, kenna makan breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper like no bodies business already before and dun be surprised, still have old flame flings that will never appear at her working place!

still have old flame flings that will never appear at her working place
Is these a typo error, very misleading.

I notice your points like SSE also have minor correction huh.